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Sea Stories-Or Who's got the Best one?
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Monday, July 27, 2020 7:40 AM

Hi Friends;

       Talking about "Greyhounds" got me to thinking( That's dangerous,I know). How many of you have read any of the books that inspired the Movies we've seen in our lives? Those concerning Seagoing stuff. I think Hollywood takes to much for granted.

        Example; The ships in the Movie " TORA,TORA,TORA, they were a poloyglot of Computer graphics and the Planes? Fuggedaboudit! Now back in the day in a flooded sound stage some movies were made that were downright scary, But Believable!

        True some were taken on board sailing Doubles ( Like the Bounty and the Surprise) But many were taken on board fixed ships, Meaning they didn't give it the right feel.

         Then theres the Editors and storywriters. How dare they conspire to mix stories. No wonder folks left the Theater asking, How did the captain know that guy? about Captain Aubrey and Maturin in "Captain and Commander" ?

      I have All the books and it was a mish mash of three of the shorter novels in the Patrick O'brian series. This writer studied the history of the R.N. Before he put a pen to paper. Then Peopled his Books with characters the reader could relate to. I know I was sorely disappointed . I went home and fired up my eight track player and watched an old Humphry Bogart Tramp Steamer Movie!

 Can you think of any Sea Going Movie that kept you riveted to your seats? Let's hear from you.This doesn't include 20,000,00 Leagues under the Sea By Jules Verne either! Why? Well, Harper Goff did a killer sub for Disney.( It didn't match the description in Verne's Book at all! ) So lets hear about the believeable ones. I'M waiting!

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, July 27, 2020 7:56 AM

Hollywood seems to have had a long record of mashing storyline from books together.  "Horatio Hornblower" was done just like "Master and Commander" where they took the plots from multiple books and attempted to make a two hour movie.

Far as sea stories that kept me glued to the plot, I watched one a few years ago I found on YouTube called "To the Ends of the Earth" with Benedict Cumberbatch.  It was such a strange movie, with a story that seemed to go nowhere, about a voyage from England to Australia on an East Indianman, that was once a 2nd rate ship of the line, that I ended up watching the three part mini series all in one sitting.  The nautical feel and the acting was what made the movie really appealing to me. It was made the same time as "Master and Commander". 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, July 27, 2020 8:07 AM

Master and Commander

Caine Mutiny

Crimson Tide

Red October

Das Boot

Not thinking about accuracy or authenticity, just what entertained me and I found enjoyable.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, July 27, 2020 9:03 AM

Captains Courageous

Das Boot

The Sand Pebbles

 

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Monday, July 27, 2020 10:21 AM

The Bedford Incident

The Enemy Below

In Harm's Way

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Posted by EdGrune on Monday, July 27, 2020 10:28 AM

Away All Boats

It was my father's war experience movie.   He was on an attack transport.  While Away All Boats was Pacific theatre & my fathers ship operated mostly in the Atlantic & Med theatres he was at Leyte & Iwo.  
I remember him taking me to go see the movie.  I borrowed the book from the library and have found copy for my own library    I haul it out every now & then to re_read it    It might just be time to do so again

 

 

 

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Posted by WillysMB on Monday, July 27, 2020 11:06 AM

Total, Tora, Tora was long before CGI. Miniatures, full scale models, flyable replicas and real warbirds were used. The Val and Kate were based on BT-13s and we're pretty good, the Zeros were based on AT-6s and weren't as convincing,  but at that point there were no flyable Zeros. We have all three at WWII Weekend in Reading each year (except this year of course).

The Battle of Britain and 633 Squadron were also long before CGI.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Monday, July 27, 2020 11:27 AM

The Enemy Below

Assault on a Queen

Forgot this one with the Duke and Donna Reed: They Were Expendable

 

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Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Monday, July 27, 2020 11:48 AM

Also in Tora, Tora, Tora; The Akagi and Nagato were full scale, waterline replicas, built on the shore in Japan so that their bows stuck out over the water to make it look like they were afloat or at sea.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, July 27, 2020 12:20 PM

To those already listed I’ll add a few more...

The Bounty

PT 109

Run Silent, Run Deep

The Bridges at Toko Ri (a personal favorite)

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Monday, July 27, 2020 12:51 PM

stikpusher

To those already listed I’ll add a few more...

The Bounty

PT 109

Run Silent, Run Deep

The Bridges at Toko Ri (a personal favorite)

 

 

How in the heck could I not mention The Bridges at Toko Ri!! This is my all time favorite war movie period. Yes

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, July 27, 2020 1:09 PM

Ditto on Bridges at Toko Ri.  They seem to went the extra mile to depict the coldness and solitude of that war and being on a ship in the middle of it. It is by far my favorite "anti-war" movie as well. 

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, July 27, 2020 1:13 PM

WillysMB

Total, Tora, Tora was long before CGI. Miniatures, full scale models, flyable replicas and real warbirds were used. The Val and Kate were based on BT-13s and we're pretty good, the Zeros were based on AT-6s and weren't as convincing,  but at that point there were no flyable Zeros. We have all three at WWII Weekend in Reading each year (except this year of course).

The Battle of Britain and 633 Squadron were also long before CGI.

 

Ya, the zeros at least had a look of a zero, what is discusting is these modern CG monvies is that they will draw up the USS Hornet on the Doolittle Raid and use the Essex Class as their reference, or have swarms of German fighters look like Mustangs.  German DR1's are all painted to look like the Red Baron.  If they are going to take the time to do CG, as least make it somewhat authenic. 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, July 27, 2020 1:30 PM

I find it hard to beat any Forster book, especially the Hornblower series, although his novel (I think it was called) The Gun.

While not a sea story per se, it featured a naval officer during the Napoleonic wars.  The Royal Navy was supporting a rebel group in Spain.  They offloaded a big ship's gun- forget the size- and the story is about moving this huge (and heavy) gun over rough ground to a fortified city they wish to reconquer.

 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Monday, July 27, 2020 1:54 PM

scottrc

Ditto on Bridges at Toko Ri.  They seem to went the extra mile to depict the coldness and solitude of that war and being on a ship in the middle of it. It is by far my favorite "anti-war" movie as well. 

 

An interesting side note to this movie, I worked for a sergeant back in the late 1970s in the police dept. who was in the Navy  and serving on the Oriskany in 1954 when the movie was filmed. Jay got to meet the crew and cast. Sadly my friend passed away a couple of years ago. RIP Sgt. Cuthbert.

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Posted by ikar01 on Monday, July 27, 2020 2:46 PM

We can't forget Final Countdown and Down Periscope.

WHat about Sink the Bismark?

Tora tora tora was a good movie in its day and still watchable.  The Japanese side wae filmed by them and co-ordinated with the American film crew.

Don't forget the original Midway.  Computers for movies were way in the future.

Last time I went to Universal Studios Park they had some of the metal film models on display and were discussing how they were used.

 

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Posted by goldhammer on Monday, July 27, 2020 2:50 PM

I'll add in another....loved the branch and hornet nest in the wardroom during the briefing.

30 seconds over Tokyo

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, July 27, 2020 3:10 PM
Not a movie but I enjoyed the Horatio Hornblower series with Ian Gruffield.

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Posted by templar1099 on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:39 AM

The Caine Mutiny.

"le plaisir delicieux et toujours nouveau d'une occupation inutile"

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 8:51 AM

ikar01

We can't forget Final Countdown and Down Periscope.

WHat about Sink the Bismark?

Tora tora tora was a good movie in its day and still watchable.  The Japanese side wae filmed by them and co-ordinated with the American film crew.

Don't forget the original Midway.  Computers for movies were way in the future.

Last time I went to Universal Studios Park they had some of the metal film models on display and were discussing how they were used.

 

 

You're right!  How could I forget Final Countdown!  As far as cinema photography it was the greatest aviation film ever.  I am kind of a camera person, and I was awed by the camera work.  I believe it was the Paul Mantz team that did it.  There was one landing approach I remember.  Your vantage point was about 25 feet forward of an F-14 on carrier approach.  You could see the pilot clearly, and watch the yaw string on the nose (didn't realize that a high tech aircraft like that would still use a yaw string)!

 

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Posted by ikar01 on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:07 AM

I was wondering what that string was for.  I was never that close to a F-14 to see it.

Aboiut 6 months after the movie our squadron was set to host VF-84.  One of our pilots started to fish around in his collection of his gun film.  A few days later he came back with a large blow up to put under his plexiglass desk cover.  A beautiful frame of a F-14 with the glare on the top of his wings taken from above and behind as his wings were starting to retract.  Also in the frame were the readings of his HUD imposed on the F-14.  Also in the picture was a spot of ight and the word fire.  He was one of the selected pilots to actually handle one of the missions and wanted to make sure the navy guys say the picture.

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Posted by crown r n7 on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:58 AM

Thats a lot of great war films, but to change gears abit. 

1956 Moby *** and In the heart of the sea.

 

 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:04 AM

crown r n7

Thats a lot of great war films, but to change gears abit. 

1956 Moby *** and In the heart of the sea.

 

You must mean Moby Richard Whistling

 

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Posted by crown r n7 on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:28 AM

Wow! That's the name of a classic . 

 

 

 Nick.

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Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:40 AM

For newer stuff, Hunter - Killer was fun, and speaking of fun, I was on set for some of The Hunt For Red October.

Driving out on the Mole at Long Beach and saw the top half of a 688 class sub sail sitting on the baseball field .  .  . Got the talking to the grips and Voila!

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:06 AM

Don Stauffer
 

and watch the yaw string on the nose (didn't realize that a high tech aircraft like that would still use a yaw string)! 

 

A tiny detail often overlooked in models. Yes quite unique using such a simple thing on such a complex aircraft.

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Posted by lewbud on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:45 PM

I'm glad someone mentioned Down Periscope, definitely an underrated submarine movie.  I'm going to take a different tack and recommend the movie Wind.  The racing scenes are fantastic, for those not familiar with America's Cup racing (at the time) they do a decent job of explaining what's going on and why, you get a peak behind the scenes at how the boats were designed, built, and financed, not to mention the contentiousness of the post race press conferences.  

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 1:28 PM

Aww, Lewbud, you just like talking about the "whomper"; and having Jennifer Grey in it didn't hurt.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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Posted by ddp59 on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 2:04 PM

Tanker-Builder, the ships used in the movie were real Big model ships.

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/tora/ships.htm

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Posted by ikar01 on Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:44 PM

Going back to the 50s, many of us were around then, but I don't think many remember it, the T.V. show Navy Lod.  Way before color TV, and you cound never tell who might be on it.

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