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Would you open a hobby store if you won the lottery......??

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Would you open a hobby store if you won the lottery......??
Posted by KAYSEE88 on Saturday, July 11, 2009 12:53 AM

i know i wll.......its the ultimate dream for any modeller i guess. Yeah!! [yeah]

AND just knowing you can get kits for about 1/3 off its retail price, makes you KRAZZY!!!

SO WOULD YOU ???? Question [?]

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, July 11, 2009 1:01 AM
Maybe... there would be some pretty stiff competition locally. But once I had all my financial worries taken care of, it is a viable fantasy...

 

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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, July 11, 2009 1:48 AM

In a word - No.  With a couple of caveats.

I spent seven years working in a hobby shop while I was in grad school.  Seven years don't really constitute a long time in the grand scheme of the universe - but in my case they were plenty.  I'm glad I had the experience.  I learned a lot about various hobbies - including the fact that they have far more to teach each other than most hobbiests realize.  (My big interest is ship modeling, but I learned all sorts of fascinating things, and became aware of all sorts of useful products, by means of model railroad magazines.)  And I met lots of fine, interesting people whom I never would have met otherwise - from railroad engineers to bankers to academics to military officers to GM employees to aeronautical engineers.  I wouldn't trade those acquaintances for anything.

I also met some people I wish I hadn't.  The narrow-minded nut cases who, coffee cups in hand, parked themselves in front of the cash register for hours at a stretch pronouncing judgments on which kits were good, which were bad, which politicians were communists, what was wrong with the younger generation, why the Cincinnati Reds were a bunch of degenerate bums, etc.  The kids who tried to buy a dozen tubes of Testor's glue at a time.  ("I'm working on this great big model, man!"  Yeah, right.)  The guy who never built a model during the fifteen years I knew him - but insisted on buying every new Microscale decal sheet before anybody else could get it.  The guy who, in the course of a dozen visits over a couple of months, sneaked out the door with an entire Tamiya 1/25 Tiger tank - one sprue at a time.  The parents who blamed me for the fact that the electric train sets they gave their kids for Christmas stopped working on December 26.  Etc., etc., etc.

Believe me, familiarity really does breed contempt.  Working in a hobby shop obviously didn't drive me out of the hobby, but it came depressingly close.  (And I did NOT get an employee discount.  The boss couldn't afford it.) 

After those seven years I got a job in a maritime museum, where I was in charge of (among other things) ship models for three years.  When I got home after a day's work in that place, the last thing in the world I wanted to do was work on a model.

More seriously, in recent years I've become convinced that the traditional hobby shop, as a business proposition, is just about dead.  Part of that state of affairs is, of course, due to the changing nature of the business:  it seems to be a fact that fewer people - especially young people - are building models these days than did thirty or forty years ago.  (When I was working in a hobby shop at least half of our customers were of high school age or younger.  I recently asked a friend who owns a hobby shop what percentage of his regular customers were under twenty-one.  He laughed bitterly and said, "Zero."  I made some sympathetic remark to the effect that the drop in interest among kids was a commentary on the state of the hobby in the nineties.  He laughed even more bitterly and said, "Where have you been?  That happened twenty years ago."  I'm afraid he's right.)

Another point that deserves to be remembered:  as the number of people participating in scale modeling has dropped, the amount of merchandise available has grown astronomically.  Take a look at the ads in FSM, or the daily listing of new releases on the Squadron website.  Out of curiousity, I just did the latter.  The "new" listings for the past week (July 6-10, 2009) included 35 items, ranging from cars to ships to aircraft to armored vehicles to books to decals.  If you bought one of each item (from Squadron), they'd cost you (by my calculation) $1,382.  The standard markup on the retail level is (or was when I was involved in the business) 40%.  So to stock one each of every item on that list would require the hobby shop owner to invest $8,292.  And that's only counting the stuff that Squadron sells.  Throw in the model railroad stuff, the airbrushes, the X-acto blades, the paint jars and cans, the adhesives, the RC gear, the slot car sets, the paint-by-number sets, etc., etc.  Then consider the need to maintain a good stock of the stuff that was released last week - or ten years ago.  Then figure in the rent, the employees' salaries, the refills for the coffee machine (so those jerks keep parking themselves by the cash register), etc., etc. 

My boss's standard practice was to buy virtually all the merchandise from the wholesalers on credit, with the bill coming due each January 31.  After the Christmas rush (gawd bless electric train sets and accessories) he'd sit down and do the books, and figure out whether he'd gone bankrupt this year or not.  What a way to live.  

I've watched quite a few hobby shops go out of business in recent years, and every single one of the owners has said two words:  "Never again."

It looks to me like it's just plain impractical nowadays to operate a good, well-stocked, adult-oriented hobby shop unless it has a clientele of hundreds, if not thousands, of enthusiastic, regular customers.  That sort of situation can only exist in, or near, a major metropolitan area.  I suspect the time is nearing when really good local hobby shops will only be found in places like New York, Chicago, and LA.

In many ways this is a golden age of model building.  The average quality of the kits available has never been higher.  The range of kits has never been bigger.  Such things as photo-etching and cottage-industry aftermarket companies have added wonderful new dimensions that weren't dreamed of a few decades ago.  There's a constant stream of new research material - in print and on the web.  And the web lets us buy a staggering variety of merchandise literally from all over the world, and get it delivered to our doorsteps.  

The beginning of the twenty-first century is a great time to be a modeler.  But those same forces are forcing us to change our buying habits.  I live in a community of about 65,000 people.  If I want to buy a bottle of Poly-Scale or Testor's Model Master paint, I have two options:  drive thirty-five miles to the nearest local hobby shop, or place an order over the web.  I hope that hobby shop in Wilson (which concentrates heavily on railroading, and practically got flooded out by Hurricane Floyd ten years ago) stays around for a long time.  If it ever goes under, I'll have to pursue my hobby almost entirely by way of the web - as I'm sure thousands of modelers are doing already. 

Maybe that's not such a bad development, in the grand scheme of things.  But I'll sure miss the grand old traditional hobby shop.  (I'll also miss the grand old traditional record store.  One of my other hobbies is classical music; I buy almost all my CDs over the web these days.)  But times do change, and Olde Phogies like me may as well make the best of the changes.

Open a hobby shop?  In 2009?  I wish somebody would - preferably around the corner from my house.  But not me. 

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Posted by subfixer on Saturday, July 11, 2009 2:32 AM
Well put, Professor. Another sign of the sad state of today's hobby shops is that the hobby shop located at the Naval Station in Norfolk doesn't exclude non-military or military dependents from buying merchandise as does the base exchange (PX). If you have the cash and can get on base, you may purchase anything you want at a good discount and free of local taxes. They actually have a decent selection to chose from. They are just a bit desperate for customers.

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Posted by upnorth on Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:59 AM

I definitely wouldn't open a traditional hobby shop.

Lot's of people get carried away with the more "romantic" images that come to mind when you try to make your hobby into your livelihood and end up putting the cart before the horse and overlooking the actual business aspects of it, which can be quite daunting and bewildering for the uninitiated.

Sure you have to stock your shop, but it's not as simple as just getting products from the manufacturers, there's lots more to bear in mind about the potential costs of obtaining stock:

Import costs, distributor fees, transport and logistics costs, applicable taxes.....

On top of that, before you bring the stock in, you have to really know your clientelle and what they are likely to actually buy, not just "hmmm and hawww" over. Just because one or two members of your client base tell you that you should bring in this or that because it will, according to them "Sell like hotcakes" doesn't mean it will, nor does it even guarantee they will buy it themselves if you do bring it in. Understand your local market demographics before you try to supply them. Product that doesn't move in a timely manner from the shelf to the customer's possession is a detriment to your business and should be avoided as regular stock and left to special order services.

jtilley pointed out a lot of other very salient points about shop keeping in general, not the least of which is loss through theft, which you will have to insure yourself against. There is also the matter of certain "customers" who come in to wag their jaws at you but never buy anything. A friendly shop atmosphere is great, but not at the cost of professional appearances. Nothing keeps me out of a shop better than seeing the "experten" chatting with whoever is at the till and seeing that till person totally oblivious to what is going on in the store or, worse, irate that an actual potentially paying customer pulled them away from a conversation that was actually losing profits for the shop. The hobby hat has to come off while you're conducting business.

Also, making your hobby your living will likely, as jtilley pointed out, quash most of your own personal drive and zest for the hobby. After working with it for 8 hours a day or more, you'll want nothing to do with it in your free time. I learned that when I tried to make my living in graphic design; I always loved drawing and the creative process, but making my living with it destroyed any desire I had to do any artwork in my free time. After eight years in it, I'd had it and just wanted art to be a hobby again.

If I won the lottery, I'd be more likely to invest the money in a model manufacturer to the point I could guide them somewhat, particularly with reigniting intrest in the hobby among young people . I lot of manufacturers seem to be a bit out of touch with the consumer these days and there is a gap in affordable kit availability for novice builders. Kits don't all have to be multimedia cornucopias of detail to satisfy potential buyers.

I think a big part of the reason you see intrest tapering off in the hobby is that manufacturers are really giving novice builders very little to grab onto. Novice builders are getting rather  a cold shoulder in favour of the "experten" and their desires and this is fundamentally a matter of the hobby being shot in the foot by the very people who supply it.

All the new hobby shops in the world, no matter how well run, will not remedy the above problem, If there is little for the shopkeeper to bring in to entice new modelers that is within their abilities and budgets, then there is no incentive for new people to enter the hobby. It's a deeper problem that can't be solved at the shop level.

Did I have the resources, I would buy a controling intrest in a model manufacturer and perhaps refocus their business targets a bit.

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Posted by usmc1371 on Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:17 AM

I've got three hobby shops around me: HobbyTown USA, HobbyWorks, and a privately owned hobby shop.  When I go into them, all I hear is "R/C, R/C, R/C".  Most of the shops are occupied by R/C stuff.  I'm guessing that's what these hobbyshops have to focus on to stay in business.

When I was kid, trains were the big thing in hobbyshops.  Now, the prices of trains shocks me.  The people buying trains seem to be older and/or retired adults.  I could see plastic models going this route in about 10 years.

If I were to own a hobbyshop, I would have to hire someone just handle the R/C side of it.

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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, July 11, 2009 9:53 AM

Richard branson was once asked the quickest way to become a Millionaire.

"Become a Billionaire, and buy an airline".

It's a shame about model railroads, really. I was in that hobby for a very long time, and was the youngest guy around. Now I like to build model airplanes and skulk around this forum, and I'm one of the older guys, suits me much more.

I also found over the years, and begging your pardon, Prof., that with few exceptions the staff in Hobby Shops are weird. A big exception is Don over at Franciscan. But his boss John, well...

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Posted by Tojo72 on Saturday, July 11, 2009 9:59 AM
If money was no object.....yes....it would be more like a hobby to kill time,not to worry whether I was making money or not.

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Posted by deadhead on Saturday, July 11, 2009 10:54 AM

Depends on the amount of money wonBig Smile [:D]

Should it prove to be enough to go into the business with no worries, I would. With of course the main focus being plastic models. I would have the usual suspects working for me, trains, RC whatever.
I'd do it until it wasn't fun anymore.

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Posted by PaintsWithBrush on Saturday, July 11, 2009 10:55 AM
Not no but HECK NO! Name one area of the U.S. that has enough modelers within a 50-75 mile radius that will constitute the base you will need just to pay the monthly expenses. Only an internet based store has a chance in the 21st century situation. And also remember, the key to the success of any type of shop is the quality of its employees. Top people rate top pay.
jtilley pretty much laid out the major strikes against the proposition in terms of the local store and all you have to do is go to another thread around here with the title "Squadron always out of stock" or something like that to see what a nightmare you would be buying for yourself opening up this kind of business.
The sheer volume of inventory you would have to keep on hand to avoid being ripped on forums like this would be staggering. Scale modeling is too much of a niche market, and it is NOT growing. Some of you have complained about the rise of R/C. That's what pays the bills for the LHS owner, so that's where he places his emphasis.
I owned a motorcycle shop for 21 years. I am now medically retired and out of the business. In automobile oriented America, that IS a hobby shop. By sticking to one brand (Honda), I was able to manage costs reasonably well when it came to the task of stocking accessories (AM in the modeling world).
There were many customers who complained about the large portion of space and attention devoted to the ATV segment, feeling that I wasn't respecting the "purity" of the M/C ideal. You stock the products that bring in the cash and you emphasize your efforts toward the customer base that holds said cash.
In my geographical area, ATV's were and still are, king. Like the R/C is to the LHS of today.
I kind of agree with the idea of investing in a model producer, but then, the lines of complaint would simply shift direction to "lack of detail" or "great detail but too expensive". Besides, as I said before, this is NOT a growth industry.
In conclusion, I will say that the only person who could open a hobby shop in this era would be a lottery winner who didn't mind losing the money and just wanted it for a hobby.
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Posted by mg.mikael on Saturday, July 11, 2009 11:12 AM
 KAYSEE88 wrote:

i know i wll.......its the ultimate dream for any modeller i guess. Yeah!! [yeah]

AND just knowing you can get kits for about 1/3 off its retail price, makes you KRAZZY!!!

SO WOULD YOU ???? Question [?]

If I won the lottery, I wouldn't be opening a hobby shop. Depending upon how big the winnings were after taxes, I'd go buy myself a 1967 Chevy Impala, black 4-door. Then depending on what's left, I'd expand my stash of kits.Wink [;)]

 

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Posted by warhorse3 on Saturday, July 11, 2009 12:34 PM
I'd keep the local one open. It's been a family owned business for over 72 years, and I've known the owners ever since I was a kid. I'd hate to see it close after they retire.
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Posted by jadgpanther302 on Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:18 PM
 upnorth wrote:

If I won the lottery, I'd be more likely to invest the money in a model manufacturer to the point I could guide them somewhat, particularly with reigniting intrest in the hobby among young people . I lot of manufacturers seem to be a bit out of touch with the consumer these days and there is a gap in affordable kit availability for novice builders. Kits don't all have to be multimedia cornucopias of detail to satisfy potential buyers.

I think a big part of the reason you see intrest tapering off in the hobby is that manufacturers are really giving novice builders very little to grab onto. Novice builders are getting rather  a cold shoulder in favour of the "experten" and their desires and this is fundamentally a matter of the hobby being shot in the foot by the very people who supply it.

As a junior modeler i would love to get my hands on the latest kits but i cant because the kits are too expensive.

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Posted by jadgpanther302 on Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:21 PM

"PaintsWithBrush"]Not no but HECK NO! Name one area of the U.S. that has enough modelers within a 50-75 mile radius that will constitute the base you will need just to pay the monthly expenses. 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:36 PM
I think in the L.A. area (Los Angeles, Orange County, Riverside County, San Bernandino County) there are enough modelers in the area to support SEVERAL hobby shops. The LA/OC border area is well taken care of, but I will bet one each could open in south Orange County and one in the San Ferando/West LA area and do ok. Gotta remember we have roughly 9 million people in the greater area and several IPMS chapters with pretty good membership rolls.

 

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Posted by EdGrune on Saturday, July 11, 2009 8:46 PM
 KAYSEE88 wrote:

i know i wll.......its the ultimate dream for any modeller i guess. Yeah!! [yeah]

AND just knowing you can get kits for about 1/3 off its retail price, makes you KRAZZY!!!

SO WOULD YOU ???? Question [?]

How do you make a million dollars running a hobby shop?  Start with two million! 

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Posted by philo426 on Saturday, July 11, 2009 11:43 PM
MG Mikael isn't that the  '67 Impala 4-door hardtop from the TV series "Supernatural"?Great car and cool TV series although it seems that Sam and Dean really screwed the Pooch by killing Lillith and breaking the final seal!
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Posted by mitsdude on Sunday, July 12, 2009 12:00 AM

After over 40 years in the workforce a big ole NO!!!

I would be to busy travelling to my winter home in Hawaii and my summer home in the Swiss Alps and also "shopping".

I would very likely search out some highly recommened shops and became a handsoff "investor".

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Posted by Wirraway on Sunday, July 12, 2009 2:05 AM

No way, Jose....

It might be pleasurable work, but it would still be WORK.  Wouldnt that be a dirty word if you were a millionaire ?

We just had our biggest ever Lottery In Oz.  90 million bucks.  Not as big as some of the Lotteries in the states, or Europe, but not bad for a country with 24 million people.  In the end, 2 entries won 45 million each. 

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Posted by mg.mikael on Sunday, July 12, 2009 7:58 AM

 philo426 wrote:
MG Mikael isn't that the  '67 Impala 4-door hardtop from the TV series "Supernatural"?Great car and cool TV series although it seems that Sam and Dean really screwed the Pooch by killing Lillith and breaking the final seal!

Yep, that's the car.....it's just so sweet.Big Smile [:D] Glad to find someone else who recognizes the car and the tv show. Yeah, that Ruby was a nasty little bugger by decieving Sam (Dean was always suspicious) for almost the past two seasons. Though now I'm really looking forward to the next season, with that finale.Cool [8D]

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Posted by deadhead on Sunday, July 12, 2009 9:30 AM

Paintswithbrush:One area of the country?

Tip of the Mitt Michigan. Millions of hobbiest and one shop.

Work as a millionaire? How can it be 'work' if you love it?

That said, What is it Trump, Gates et al are doing?

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Posted by bilbirk on Monday, July 13, 2009 7:37 AM
Absolutely NOT! If I won the Lottery I'd be lucky to even want to work on a model for the next year! I'd be traveling to places I've always dreamed of and seeing the sites. Work or anything close to that would be the last thing on my mind.
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, July 13, 2009 8:58 AM

I actually have thought it out, lol... Just a quick over-view...

I wouldn't open a hobby shop in the traditional sense... My money would be going into aquiring the 1/1 scale items, were it the type of win that resuted in like 100 + million or so...

I'd be buying up restored AFVs and aircraft at a rate that would shame the Collings Foundation and hiring the folks to restore, maintain, & operate the future aquisitions as I move through the Korean, Vietnam and Cold War eras... Right of the top of m' head, there'd be a Jeep, Sherman, a Duece, a Tiger, a Mk IV, and a DUKW in the parking lot, and out at the local airpatch, a T-6, B-25, FW-190, P-51, and a B-17 would be in my new hangar...  The house would be built out of a C-141 fuselage or the like... My travels would be starting with getting all those things out on the living history and airshow circuits in order to help keep the history alive and in front of the younger folks... Then work the WW1 and "Golden Age" military aircraft into the mix...

I'd also build & run a WW2-era US Army Air Force Flight School... Training would-be pilots in the exact manner done throughout the war years from Primary Flight School through Operational Training Units... At rates that would allow "everday joes" that have the desire and brains, but don't have 40,000 bucks to learn the ropes...  And for the Ladies, the WASPs...Big Smile [:D]

I even figured out the areas of West Texas where the school would be so there'd be plenty of flight-time over the actual terrain used then..

 

 

 

 

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Posted by fermis on Monday, July 13, 2009 12:29 PM
 Hans, may I be the first one in line for that school, should you win? (you do play the lotto, right?)

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Monday, July 13, 2009 1:12 PM

If I won the lottery, I definatly would, though, first I would probably buy the entire stock of a hobby shop just for myself :D

But I'd open a hobbyshop just for this kind of hobby, models, not the generic kinds you see.  Itd have a nice sized section for each type, like we have on the forum, as well as linked online store for the store inorder to reach a broader market.  I'd have events in the store, like classes on how to build, those things where kids come in, buy a kit, and build it right there, competitions, all that nice stuff, to drum up support for the store.  I'd also try and make some kind of deal with some of the AM resin makers (figures and the like) to havem in my store (that normally are online only), and I'd only keep the top notch kits, no junk.

 

You ever go into a games workshop type store, see the tables there with people playing?   I'd do that kind of thing, have benches near the front of the store so that people could work on the stuff they bought there if they wanted, as well as letting me build while at work (cause who wouldnt want that?)  Also I'd offer a small discount to anyone who brought in Finished models purcased in the store to be displayed in the store, sort of as advertisment, sort of to let the modelers show their work to the public, and to show others what can be built.  On that note, with the kind of money I have, I'd comission armorguy for one of those 1/6th scale R/C tanks.  Nothinwould draw in buisness like one of those driving dwn the sidewalk.

 

Last thing (I think) If you want buisness, and if you hit the lottery, I'd get myself a big enough store, and offer to host the local IPMS at the store, thats a way to get buisness Ill tell you what

 

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Posted by Bullet21 on Monday, July 13, 2009 1:27 PM
You bet I would. And it would be stuffed full of kits and parts and supplies of all kinds. And the best part is I wouldn't give a fat rat's a.. if it turned a profit 'cause I'd already be rich. Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Monday, July 13, 2009 1:36 PM
to all those who say they wouldnt work at all, those are the people who end up spending everything they have and having to go back to work in the end

 

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Posted by subfixer on Monday, July 13, 2009 5:45 PM
Win the lottery and then work!!??  Hah! I don't even work now, much less after I'm rich! Fuggettaboutit.

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Posted by Wirraway on Monday, July 13, 2009 11:21 PM

 smeagol the vile wrote:
to all those who say they wouldnt work at all, those are the people who end up spending everything they have and having to go back to work in the end

And that statement would be based on what ?

There are plenty of people who can manage a financial windfall sensibly, just as there are others who would blow it all inside of a year.

Blanket statements annoy me Steven.

 

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Posted by subfixer on Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:06 AM
    (I wish that stupid green Smiley would spell "ditto" correctly)

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