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  • Member since
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  • From: South Carolina
Posted by dahutist on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 6:44 PM

Lindberg IS an old classic line. I have a 1/48 Lindy Crusader F8U-1 (F-8A) that I got for $2 at the local thrift store. Compared to the New Age wonder kits from Japan, it is a D-O-G. Nobody seems to want them anymore, and they are not expensive.

But, that Crusader is BIG, easy to handle and work on, and will make a nice display model as an in-flight bird. The thing to do with such a kit is not try for more than is there. Build it clean, give it a nice finish and take your lessons from the experience.

This reminds me of something else: craigslist and other online classifieds. 

These have sprung up in recent years, and there is also Freecycle in many areas. These could be sources for inexpensive kits, and could put several samples into your hands for comparison, with the same money that would buy just one kit over at the LHS. Something to think about....

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 1:36 PM

hey-johnnyrockets. I couldn,t help but notice that NOBODY mentioned LINDBERG. Sure,they leave a lot to be desired, but, the models do build up decent if you take the time.The COAST GUARD CUTTER is a good example. It,s an old kit ,but,it can look beautiful.You didn,t say what you,ve built before.Based on that, I would say that if you,ve built cars or armor or planes ,you are in for a suprise.One thing to remember is if you choose to buy a TRUMPETER U.S.S. NORTH CAROLINA in 1/350 you will get a great kit oob for 129.00 But someone will tell you she,s wrong.Well, you can build her to over five years of fit out.OOB she,s just like her real self in NORTH CAROLINA at the museum.I hope this helps you.  HAPPY HOLIDAYS    tankerbuilder

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Posted by dahutist on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 1:05 PM

"The Hammer" makes some good points about simplicity. This hobby has certainly left simplicity way behind, in recent years.

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Posted by johnnyrockets on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:45 AM

Thanks, what great websites!

 

Really thanks to all of you! 

 

Merry Christmas!

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  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:26 AM

Keep it simple...

Keep your purchases in the 12.00 - 30.00 range until you KNOW that this's the hobby you want to invest money in...

Some companies, like Revell, mark the kit boxes with "Skill Levels".

For Rookies, Skill Level 2 is the max until you get a few "Straight out of the Box" builds under your belt. Skill Level 1 kits are usually snap-together types and although they're fairly good, they're mainly for 8-12 year olds, although with supervision, 6-8 year olds can handle them quite well..

1/25th scale cars and 1/48th scale aircraft are about the easiest in the SL-2 range.. 1/35th Armor tends to be a bit more complicated due to the suspension & track assemblies. 

A couple of Kalmbach Books that might be of interest to you: Modeling Tanks and Military Vehicles by Shepard Paine, and Building and Detailing Model Aircraft by Pat Hawkeye.

 

 

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  • From: South Carolina
Posted by dahutist on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:00 AM

Since your new you dont know what to expect.

But in general, the more money spent, the better the detailing, accuracy and fit engineering. This is what is referred to, these days as, "shake and bake" modelling.

There are exceptions of course, and there seems to be a finite limit. I mean, there seems to be point beyond which no amount of money can create the 'ultimate kit.'  The big dollar Trumpeter kits are an example. Spend $120 on one and you STILL get a box full of overscale rivets and inaccuracies (although, in fairness, the level of detail is high).

The hinge point seems to be around $50. Up to that amount, the kits are pretty darned good. Beyond that there is no guarantee it will be.

Now, when it comes to dirt cheap models, there is a reason for that. They are usually basic, crude and require a lot of work to get a detailed result. But they have their place, too

1. If you are not fussy and only want a dust collecting sample of a particular subject, they'll do.

2. If you are a masochist and just like frustrating challenges, they'll do.

3. If you want to either a) give up and go play golf, or b) sharpen your skills in a hurry... they'll do.

But with these kits, if you want fine scale detail and up close "realism" -- well, you'll have to add it yourself.

SO those are the extremes. What does middle of the road get you? Something of both. You'll find adequate detail out of the box, but probably some inaccuracies and difficult fit issues. Decals may be crappy or panel lines raised or out of scale. Often these mid range kits are rehashes and repops of old mold tooling.

The truth is, most of us are middle of the road builders. Its a good place to be.

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When in doubt, just google the type of subject and add the scale designation. For example, enter "F8F, 1/48" into google and see what you get. Unless it is some really eosteric subject, odds are youll find a review of a kit in that scale. Also, here are some organized sites with feedback and reviews of the many kits out there (most of these will come up in a google search, sooner or later):

Scott Aikens "Modeling Madness": www.modelingmadness.com

Scale Model Aircraft Kit Reviews (SMAKR):  http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/home.htm

Matt Swanns, "Swannys Models": www.swannysmodels.com

Internet Modeler: http://www.internetmodeler.com

International Plastic Modeling Society IPMS: http://www.ipmsusa2.org/Reviews

CyberModeler: http://www.cybermodeler.com

Aircraft Resource Center: http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com

 

 

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Posted by Wabashwheels on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:14 AM

Someone pointed this out to me on the Forum several weeks ago, and I have gotten a lot of good out of this site.  I 'm too lazy to figure out this morning how to attach the link, so I'll just tell you to Google "Modeling Madness"  They have hundreds of kit reviews, done in a very informative way.  I use it all the time now when I'm sizing up a kit..  rick

 

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Posted by mg.mikael on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:06 PM

Well it sort of depends on what you build, is it aircraft, armor, ships? I mostly stick to armor, so I can offer up some speicfics in that regard.

Word to the wise be weary of eastern european brands, if it's made in those countries, chances are you'll have a bloody monster of a kit (lots of flash, thich seams, numerous ejector pin marks, bad fit.) These kits take alot of work to make into something presentable, thus probably not something you'd want to start out with.

As for the quality, it doesn't necessarily depend on the price. Yes, Dragon/Cyber-Hobby kits are expensive, and yes their superb builds.(though more for the experinced builder, due to high part counts) However you can get a Tamiya kit much cheaper and  some areas may not be super detailed, but the kit still builds into a nice build(without the cost and high part count.) What I'm trying to say is some cheaper, older kits are little gems, and thus shouldn't be ignored when faced with fancy boutique kits.

Hope this sorta helps.

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Different quality levels of kits?
Posted by johnnyrockets on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:38 PM

Hi, I'm super new and have a zillion questions.

I noticed that some kits are cheap and some are not so cheap while they seem to be nearly identical but different manufacturers. 

Logic tells me that different manufacturers probably have different quality levels. 

But how is a new guy to know?  Trial and Error?  Buy a "middle of the price range" kit to be safe?

Any input and help is hugely appreciated!

 

John

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