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Posted by waikong on Friday, August 6, 2010 9:08 AM

Yeah, those pictures are 'odd' as you don't often see Asian in German looking uniforms. There's even  a fairly well known picture of Generalissmo Chang's (Chinese leader at the time) son in full German Wehrmact uniform.  LIke many military officers at the time, he was trained in Munich and  even earned his Edelweiss wit the elite German mountain troops. Eventually he commanded a tank but was recalled to China before Poland was invaded.

In any case, back to you question, the Germans had a miliary mission in China was decades. They supplied training and sold  tons of armrament to the Nationalist goverment in the late 20's and early 30's. The Chinese had purchased German Heinkels, panzers, and halftracks. I have attached some of those pictures. The mission ended in the late 1930's after pressure from Japan caused the recall of German advisors.

After the recall, the Russians became the major supplier of arms to China. Not only did Russian supply a large amount of aricraft, they also had Russian pilot 'advisors' who fought against the Japanese in Russian built Chinese airforce aircraft.

The Russians withdrew most of their military support in 1940 after they needed every resource available for the worsening situtation in Europe.

The Americans came in 1940 starting with the Flying Tigers, and then became the major supplier of weapons to the Chinese via the Lend lease act after Pearl harbor. Here's some pict's of American armor operated by the Chinese troops in Burma.

 

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Thursday, August 5, 2010 4:28 PM

My book was saying as much about the german trained chinese, even had some images, they looked Alot like them, was sort of wierd.

Now im curious, who supplied who? I cant imagine the americans and germans supplying and training the same people, what faction did we supply, im sure the russians were supplying the communist forces

 

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Posted by waikong on Thursday, August 5, 2010 4:01 PM

Not at all, the Germans were a great supplier to the Nationalist Chinese, they even had officers trained in Germany. The elite divisions actually used German helmets and their uniform were patterned on the Germans - except for the boots. More often than not, they used putees wrapped over sandles. These troops fought the Japanese in Japan in 1937,

American for sure, a Chinese army that was completely outfitted (uniforms and equipment) with US equipment fought in Burma under the overall command of Gen Stillwell. They eventually drove the Japanese out of Northern Burma.

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Thursday, August 5, 2010 3:52 PM

So would it be wrong to have them using German weapons or American weapons then?  Its hard to find 1/35th scale kits of Japanese and Chinese weapons

 

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Posted by waikong on Thursday, August 5, 2010 3:34 PM

Try this link

http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/message/1263705380/2cd+part+of+Chinese+armaments

the Nationalist Chinese had purchased weapons from Germany, England, US, France, Russia and also captured equipment from the Japanese. They were all used during the Sino-Japanese war.

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Posted by SteelSnail on Thursday, August 5, 2010 3:10 PM

Killjoy

Hence my confusion.

Ha, ha, ha. I was confused as well.

Apparently they used the Boys anti-tank rifle:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle,_Anti-Tank,_.55_in,_Boys

The British used the Boys and the PIAT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIAT) against Japanese armor in WWII. The PIAT should be easier to get in 1/35 scale.

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Posted by Killjoy on Thursday, August 5, 2010 1:03 PM

Ah!  You posted type 79 earlier!  That is an upgrade of an 80's model type 69 main battle tank used by the Chinese Army.  Hence my confusion.

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Posted by smeagol the vile on Thursday, August 5, 2010 12:59 PM

I mean in WWII.  the type 97 Chi-Ha is a medium Japanese tank and the book has uniforms from pre wwii to korea, the chinese were involved in wwii, remember

 

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Posted by Killjoy on Thursday, August 5, 2010 12:53 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_69_RPG

This is the most common, man portable anti-armor weapon the Chinese use.  I am sure there are more items in their arsenal, but this is the mainstay. 

Question, why would Chinese troops in WWII and Korean era uniforms be attacking their own tank, which will not be produced until the mid to late 80s?  Huh?

Chris 

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Chinese AT weapons
Posted by smeagol the vile on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 9:15 PM

Im curious, can anyone tell me what kind of Anti Tank weapons the Chinese Army had.  I dont mean stationary guns, but infantry carried AT weapons (bazooka, panzerschrekt type)

I have a type 79 kit, and I just got a book that has a TON of colored pictures of wwii-korea era uniforms for all involved including chinese uniforms, so I wana make a dio with a chinese soldier trying to ambush the tank

 

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