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Should price be a factor in kit reviews ?
Posted by Wirraway on Thursday, October 28, 2010 4:44 PM

Like most of us, I look forward to reading the kit reviews in each edition of FSM.  And, like most of us, I've been shocked at the MSRP that some manufacturers are asking for their kits (glad I dont build 1/350 warships !)  But I've come to accept that some stuff I can afford, and some stuff I cant.  Like most of us, theres a line in the sand I wont cross when it comes to price.

Now I dont expect a state-of-the-art kit, chock full of  resin, PE, extensive decal sheets and colour reference material to be the same price as an old Monogram re-pop  (no offence, Hans !)  But couldnt the reviewer give their opinion as to whether they think the kit is value for money ?  After all, they have the experience.

Admittedly, they arent paying for the model, and I dont know if they get to keep it after they submit their review ?  But I would like to see in the "pros" and "cons" of the review, their opinion whether this kit IS good value for money, or, given the reviewers experience with the kit, that it is, in their opinion, overpriced.

Or, is this just going to scare off manufacturers from providing kits for the  reviews.  Do they have to be involved anyway ?  Cant FSM just buy a kit off the shelf and give it to a reviewer ?  Or do they rely on pre-release kits and the goodwill of the manufacturer ?

Sorry if I've been asking more questions than providing answers, but this has been bugging me ever since I saw the ad for those two IJA 1/35 trucks with a MSRP of more than eighty bucks apiece.......   I hope there's a Rolex hidden inside the box somewhere...........Confused

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Posted by DoogsATX on Thursday, October 28, 2010 4:58 PM

Not so much the case with FSM, but I know plenty of the online review sites DO take price into account.

Of course it's also kind of tough to take price into account, since the MSRP is often far higher than what a discerning shopper can snatch a kit up for via vendor tables, eBay, sales, etc.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 28, 2010 5:06 PM

Not as far as how the kit builds, is accurate, etc...if the reviewer wants to mention his opinion on the price, then it should be a cmment that is separate from the review itself...such as: "I rate this kit overall 9 out of 10. The kit retails higher than older kits of the same subject but is a completely new mold."

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Thursday, October 28, 2010 5:13 PM

Reviewers are provided the kit, which they get to keep once the review is completed. Once the review is published they are compensated for their time. Albeit one can not earn a living from it, but it is a way to help support your hobby habit. What they do make they earn! One has to work with what is handed to them, be able to build it into a presentable and photogenic model, work on a tight deadline and be able to write about the experience in a comprehensible way. Its hard finding someone who can do all these things successfully.

Its been a few years since I did my last review for FSM. Yes, I'm up for another!

Mfrs provide the kits, and a magazine that is as successful with circulation and longevity as FSM doesn't have problem getting kits. However there are some mfrs or distributors who will opt not to support, it is the same in other industries as well. They have to see a return on the investment...some reviewers resources provide better return than others.

Reviewers are to present the facts, not provide opinions or additional commentary. This keeps the reviews unbiased and fair. One man's opinion doesn't necessarily jive with yours or mine. What I might consider a good kit, you might consider bottom of the pile junk.

Providing the MSRP is a good idea, it lets modelers know what they can expect to pay for the kit they are reading the review of.

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Posted by Bgrigg on Thursday, October 28, 2010 5:28 PM

The price should be mentioned, but not be a major factor. Like this:

"1/350 scale Zuiho by Tamigawa of Germany, $229 List Price.

Like the real ship, Tamigawa saved much Yen by re-boxing the ancient Revell mold of the Takasaki Oiler, and glommed on a mass of styrene for a deck. The fit was perfect, if you count that the kit "fit" into the box, otherwise only the hale and hearty should attempt this kit. Although anyone with the intestinal fortitude to buy a $229 kit should have no problems. Best reserved for bachelors, and the recently (or soon-to-be) divorced. Lurkers are banned from purchasing the kit."

So long folks!

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Posted by brickshooter on Thursday, October 28, 2010 6:32 PM

I like it when price is a positive factor.   For example, Revell's 1/48 Strike Eagle and Super Hornet should get a couple of bonus points for costing $18 and $11 after applying the weekly Michaels coupon of 40%.  

But I don't want it to be a negative factor.   Dragon Smart kits costing $50 are actually worth it because of the value that they provide.  Same goes for the new giant 1/32 trumpeter kits which goes for about $100 yet still offer incredible value. These are state of the art kits and IMO, revolutionized the modeling industry.

So price should be a positive factor.  But not mentioned if it's negative.

 

 

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Posted by Aaronw on Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:21 PM

I think price should be included in the review (the kit retail cost is $229) but I would not want it to influence the overall review. A good kit that is over priced, is still a good kit, vaue is an individual judgement.

The exception for me would be those cases where there is a very similar kit available, such as the RoG Lancaster vs the Hasegawa Lancaster. Both are modern kits with good fit and detail but one sells for 1/2 the price of the other. This should still just be provided as information, not diminishing the good points of the model.

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Posted by fermis on Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:45 PM

 I like the way FSM has it ...off to the side, not really factored into the review. I do like to read the reviews, but if the price tag is above my "line in the sand",I have absolutely no interest in the review. Once I've read everything I'm interested in, the mag goes to the "water closet" and the rest gets read while I'm "dropping bombs".

 

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Posted by robtmelvin on Friday, October 29, 2010 8:09 AM

I think it is appropriate, and indeed proper, for the kit's MSRP to be noted in the review, but whether or not it is worth the money is highly subjective and essentially in the eye of the prospective buyer.  I think most of us can make that assesment based on the information customarily included in a kit review, such as whether it is new molding or a re-box of an old kit.  I would prefer that kit reviews stick strictly to the physical merits of the kit such as fit, accuaracy, flash and mold marks, etc..  Based on those factors I can decide for myself if it is worth the money. 

And to the poster above who said he was glad he didn't do ships in 1/350, I know what you mean.  I am a ship modeler and work primarily in 1/350.  State of the art kits are routinely running over $100.00 U.S. in that scale (eyes won't let me work in 1/700).  Sometimes makes it tough to afford some kits you really want, unless you are willing to give up such extras as food, house payment, etc..  Also, the Big Brown Truck pulling up with a big box can cause the wife, "she who must be obeyed", to give the humble modeler "THE LOOK".  I suspect many of you know what I mean.  Oh, the things we endure for our craft.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, October 29, 2010 8:19 AM

I think they have it right already. Do the detailed review, opinions on the fit/buildup/instructions/decals etc. Include the price in the info box & leave it at that. One man's $229 model is another's $29 model.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, October 29, 2010 1:28 PM

Wirraway

.Admittedly, they aren't paying for the model, and I don't know if they get to keep it after they submit their review ?  But I would like to see in the "pros" and "cons" of the review, their opinion whether this kit IS good value for money, or, given the reviewers experience with the kit, that it is, in their opinion, overpriced.

Or, is this just going to scare off manufacturers from providing kits for the  reviews.  Do they have to be involved anyway ?  Cant FSM just buy a kit off the shelf and give it to a reviewer ?  Or do they rely on pre-release kits and the goodwill of the manufacturer ?

I think you hit a very valid point here. If the reviewer was paying out of pocket as all the general public does for any kit, I suspect the review would take a different tack in regards to pricing. I would guess they would be more honest and direct and less tolerant of issues if the reviewer had to pay their own cash for the kit. Yes there are limits all of us have as to multi media kits, pricing, etc. Not to mentions skill levels. But it sure seems that most reviews posted on FSM are on kits way out of mine or many builders I know price league.

Yes, reviews need to be objective and factual: Kit ZY-123 comes with x amount of sprues of Y amount of parts in gray plastic. It matches well with line drawings, etc. However once assembly begins, the review does become somewhat subjective based upon the reviewers skill level, area or expertise, and experience. Or they could even be having a bad day- we all have those.

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, October 30, 2010 8:46 AM

(no offence, Hans !) 

None taken, Pard...Toast (But thanks fer thinkin' of me...)

Price is ALWAYS a factor as far as I'm concerned... I don't care if it's the greatest thing since the discovery of fire, it has to be under a certain price or I ain't buyin' it...   I don't care if the reviewer got a full-body orgasm building it...  The reviewer's job in building the kit is to tell US, the modeling community, EVERYTHING about it, not stroke the manufacturer... 

If the kit's a pig, the reviewer should call it one, otherwise he's just a shill for the manufacturer...

That said, I often think that reviews would be less "glowing" about kits that are paid for by the reviewer... If I had ANY "cons" after shelling 229.00 bucks for a kit, they'd be well-documented...

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 30, 2010 7:33 PM

Hans von Hammer

(no offence, Hans !) 

None taken, Pard...Toast (But thanks fer thinkin' of me...)

Price is ALWAYS a factor as far as I'm concerned... I don't care if it's the greatest thing since the discovery of fire, it has to be under a certain price or I ain't buyin' it...   I don't care if the reviewer got a full-body orgasm building it...  The reviewer's job in building the kit is to tell US, the modeling community, EVERYTHING about it, not stroke the manufacturer... 

If the kit's a pig, the reviewer should call it one, otherwise he's just a shill for the manufacturer...

That said, I often think that reviews would be less "glowing" about kits that are paid for by the reviewer... If I had ANY "cons" after shelling 229.00 bucks for a kit, they'd be well-documented...

A broader question: do reviews any carry any weight at the end of the day, really?...I mean, if you have bought a brand of kit you pretty much know what to expect from there next offering...and how many of you have bought a kit despite the review? And how many have you bought a kit after a bad review and didn't run into the same issues the reviewer did? --- or issues he didn't?  I think a review just reinforces what we already have decided in our minds about the kit through other sources, such as this Forum, or from previous experience...

In addition, I don't think it is fair to overly criticize a reviewer for talking a free kit from the manufacturer to review.  I mean, when people review cars and electronics, do we expect them to go out and lay down thousands of their own marks so they can review the next car we might want to purchase...?  No, we don't... 

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, October 30, 2010 7:55 PM

well some reviews such as Consumer Reports do pay out of a compnay fund for the item being reviewed. it is not so much a criticism of the reviewer for taking a free kit as it is of the process itself.

In most cases the review in this or any other magazine will not be a deciding factor. As most kits are usually not the same as others coming out at the same time. But occasionally two companies do release kits of the same subject around the same time are priced competitively, so in those cases the review can be a deciding factor.

 

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Posted by Mad-Modeler on Saturday, October 30, 2010 8:12 PM

I think the price should be mentioned but not have an impact on the kit. Ditto with mentioning areas that could be improved with AM-parts.

For me the review should tell me about the kit and I can than decide afterwards if the price is good for me or not.

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Posted by Kugai on Saturday, October 30, 2010 10:20 PM

 Prices are fact.  Techniques used to get a resulting model in the review's picture are fact.  Commenting on the accuracy of structural and historical details is dealing with fact.  Whether the pictured result is worth the price and effort stated, or would be worth adding personal effort beyond what the reviewer used, and other factors such as personal interest in the modeling subject, are all  much more subjective and should be up to the reader to decide for him/herself if, for example, Brand X's new release of a "no frills" 1:100 F-15E with raised panel lines, no options for landing gear up, parts for Acrid missiles instead of the expected bombs and Sidewinders, and several parts lineups that were so mismatched the reviewer had to break out the hair dryer and bend parts is worth $9.95, or a mecha kit from an obscure anime by Brand Z that stands only 6 inches tall but needed no putty and has PE details throughout is worth $100.00.

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Posted by Harshman II on Sunday, October 31, 2010 12:27 AM

Price definitely need to be consider for an overall review of a kit.

If not, any kit manufacturer will come up a world class modek kit provided you can afford to pay them.

Like that kitech/zhengdefu can also come up with the best 1/16  King Tiger at $9999. But the problem is can the masses afford it ? I know some can afford it, just like super sport car at ridiculous price which some are sold. But definitely, the number of kit sold will be very limited.

If a kit offer over only a 10% increase in detail and quality over another but a price jump of 50%, I will say the kit is very bad in value for money and not worth buying... Of cos, in terms of quality. Its not crap!

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 31, 2010 1:32 AM

The price of model kits are no different than any other consumer item.  I don't know why some many guys get so worked up about the prices when supply and demand will take care of it on its own---like it does with everything else...

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Posted by Harshman II on Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:08 AM

Manstein's revenge

The price of model kits are no different than any other consumer item.  I don't know why some many guys get so worked up about the prices when supply and demand will take care of it on its own---like it does with everything else...

I don't think so.. From the current trend kit are getting more and more expensive. Yes, the quality has improves too but IMHO the quality improves does not justify the 2-3 folds of  prices.

The 1/350 warship is a good example.  $80-90 for a destroyer proves too much for me. Not to mention Battleship. Plus for the supply and demand to really take effect, probably will need few years time or a decade to see the effect. By that time happen, it might have drive out some potential new hobbyist or young modeller who might not have that deep pocket.

Then there will be a vacum in between for kit modelling...

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Posted by Wirraway on Sunday, October 31, 2010 4:03 AM

Interesting point.  Makes you wonder if the manufacturers are making hay while the sun shines, before the rot (or decline) sets in.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:46 AM

Harshman II

 Manstein's revenge:

The price of model kits are no different than any other consumer item.  I don't know why some many guys get so worked up about the prices when supply and demand will take care of it on its own---like it does with everything else...

 

I don't think so.. From the current trend kit are getting more and more expensive. Yes, the quality has improves too but IMHO the quality improves does not justify the 2-3 folds of  prices.

The 1/350 warship is a good example.  $80-90 for a destroyer proves too much for me. Not to mention Battleship. Plus for the supply and demand to really take effect, probably will need few years time or a decade to see the effect. By that time happen, it might have drive out some potential new hobbyist or young modeller who might not have that deep pocket.

Then there will be a vacum in between for kit modelling...

BULL$HIT...do you know what kind of margins the manufacturers are making?  What about those who produce flat-screen TV's?---you don't think they are getting even wider margins? I've been modeling for over 30 years and the to me kits have NEVER been cheap...If a kit is too expensive, don't buy it...if enough people don't buy it the producer will try something different---trust me...

And the market niche for a $90 ship is not a newbie getting into the hobby, but for someone who has several under his belt...there are MANY price-points for kits out there just as there are for cars...  

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:01 AM

Its the decision of the reader to make if the kit is worth the price or not. If done by the reviewer the article would sound biased. The reviewer just provides the information relevant to their experience with the new kit, nothing more or nothing less. 

I do miss the consistent short paragraph on the kits history included in the opening words, that was one of my favorite parts of the review!

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Should price be a factor in kit reviews ?
Posted by Bgrigg on Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:23 AM

Manstein's revenge

 

 

And the market niche for a $90 ship is not a newbie getting into the hobby, but for someone who has several under his belt...there are MANY price-points for kits out there just as there are for cars...  

Ah, but Manny, imagine being a 17 yr old kid trying to buy a car these days. My first car cost me $500, which was two weeks pay for me. Try buying a car on a 17 yr old kid's two weeks paycheck these days...

And show me a 1:350 ship model a newbie CAN afford, please?

Kits have gotten ridiculously expensive, and unlike HDTVs haven't been dropping in price. Why, I just bought new appliances for my soon to be ripped apart and renoed kitchen, and they GAVE me a 42" plasma because I hit a certain price point. Of course, the cost of the TV is built into the price of the appliances, but even so, the first widescreen TVs were $2500, now you can buy on for $500.

So long folks!

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Posted by Harshman II on Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:47 AM

Manstein's revenge

 Harshman II:

 Manstein's revenge:

The price of model kits are no different than any other consumer item.  I don't know why some many guys get so worked up about the prices when supply and demand will take care of it on its own---like it does with everything else...

 

I don't think so.. From the current trend kit are getting more and more expensive. Yes, the quality has improves too but IMHO the quality improves does not justify the 2-3 folds of  prices.

The 1/350 warship is a good example.  $80-90 for a destroyer proves too much for me. Not to mention Battleship. Plus for the supply and demand to really take effect, probably will need few years time or a decade to see the effect. By that time happen, it might have drive out some potential new hobbyist or young modeller who might not have that deep pocket.

Then there will be a vacum in between for kit modelling...

 

BULL$HIT...do you know what kind of margins the manufacturers are making?  What about those who produce flat-screen TV's?---you don't think they are getting even wider margins? I've been modeling for over 30 years and the to me kits have NEVER been cheap...If a kit is too expensive, don't buy it...if enough people don't buy it the producer will try something different---trust me...

And the market niche for a $90 ship is not a newbie getting into the hobby, but for someone who has several under his belt...there are MANY price-points for kits out there just as there are for cars...  

I admit my modelling kit career is not as long as you. Probably only half as yrs. During my early times in 80s, kits were affordable. Kits like Arii, Tamiya and Fujimi were rampant , only Hasegawa was consider the high end and expensive.

Then came the invasion of the Chinese kit in the mid 90s and early 2000 which floods the market with great value for money kit. I still remember some great original kit like Trumpeter Challenger II Óps Telic' which has great details and cost only USD 15 comparable to the slightly better but USD 45  Tamiya one.  Mind you, Trumpeter one is not a rip off of Tamiya version. Dragon too produce many nice value for money 1/700 at USD 15-25 range..

And 1/350 Panda USS Arleigh Burke which is very good in detail for its price at that time. Only USD25 dollar together with railing PE. Yes, new trumpeter one is better but at a cost of USD80. My dream was totally dash when Panda fold up and trumpeter kit are getting more and more expensive and forcing me going mainly for Academy. Chinese kit too go for the high end road(hobby boss, Bronco, Dragon)

Since like all establish kit manufacturer ignore price factor and go for quality with disregard for cost/pricing. Only Academy still emphasize pricing. Their Admiral Grar spee 1/350 is one very good example. Non premium edition cost only USD35 while their premium edition together with full PE cost USD90. In this way, it allows the different group of buyer to close what they want without incurring a heavy cost on consumer uneccessary. Buyer who wish to have the best can go for the high cost premium set.

Let me ask you, now what is the standard price of a new Trumpeter armour kit? Dragon.. AFV club.. Tamiya.. Hobby boss. You claim this expensive kit are not for new comer. Then is there any new kit catering for new comer with big bang for money?  NO.. 90% of the kit currently do not cater for yr so call newbie. Then where is the new blood going to come in?

Currently, 80% of my stash are from ebay or special year end sales. If not, I will almost need to quit my hobby or heavily cut down on it

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:49 AM

Bgrigg

 Manstein's revenge:

 

 

And the market niche for a $90 ship is not a newbie getting into the hobby, but for someone who has several under his belt...there are MANY price-points for kits out there just as there are for cars...  

 

Ah, but Manny, imagine being a 17 yr old kid trying to buy a car these days. My first car cost me $500, which was two weeks pay for me. Try buying a car on a 17 yr old kid's two weeks paycheck these days...

And show me a 1:350 ship model a newbie CAN afford, please?

Kits have gotten ridiculously expensive, and unlike HDTVs haven't been dropping in price. Why, I just bought new appliances for my soon to be ripped apart and renoed kitchen, and they GAVE me a 42" plasma because I hit a certain price point. Of course, the cost of the TV is built into the price of the appliances, but even so, the first widescreen TVs were $2500, now you can buy on for $500.

So what are you saying, BGRIGG--there is a conspiracy involved in over-charging for plastic model kits and the CEO's of Tamiya and DML are making more money than the CEO's of Toyota and Sony? I mean, really?  Seriously?  Trust me, model companies are not having any problems selling their fare at current prices...I f they couldn't they would either lower their prices or go out of business...free-market is a wonderful thing...

Modeling is a niche' hobby.  A LOT more people buy flat-screen TV's and cars than build models...if more people modeled than most probably kits would be cheaper as the price per unit would come down, like the case with certain electronics, etc...

If you can't afford the hobby, I'd suggest making bead jewelry---that's what most hobby stores are carrying anyway...I just picked up a large scale DE ship for less than $15, so there you go... 

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Posted by Harshman II on Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:02 AM

Bgrigg

 Manstein's revenge:

 

 

And the market niche for a $90 ship is not a newbie getting into the hobby, but for someone who has several under his belt...there are MANY price-points for kits out there just as there are for cars...  

 

Ah, but Manny, imagine being a 17 yr old kid trying to buy a car these days. My first car cost me $500, which was two weeks pay for me. Try buying a car on a 17 yr old kid's two weeks paycheck these days...

And show me a 1:350 ship model a newbie CAN afford, please?

Kits have gotten ridiculously expensive, and unlike HDTVs haven't been dropping in price. Why, I just bought new appliances for my soon to be ripped apart and renoed kitchen, and they GAVE me a 42" plasma because I hit a certain price point. Of course, the cost of the TV is built into the price of the appliances, but even so, the first widescreen TVs were $2500, now you can buy on for $500.

 

Agree with you Bgrigg.. Currently the only new affordable 1/350 kits are Academy Oliver Perry Class Frigate and Admiral Graf Spee for newbie or people looking for budget and value for money kit.

Besides that, all new 1/350 warship kit are expensive no matter what justification what they want to give regarding their qualities.. Kits are getting ridiculous expensive.

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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:09 AM

This thread has brought up a number of issues that are worth thinking and talking about.

I certainly agree that the first component of a competent review is an accurate, objective description of the product.  I respectfully disagree, however,  with those who contend that the opinion of the reviewer has no place in a review. 

For one thing, the reviewer's opinion is almost always going to work its way in - whether the reviewer wants it to be there or not.  And one of several functions of reviews (whether of model kits, books, cars, or whatever) is to provide informed commentary for the benefit of readers who don't know much about the merchandise.  Good magazines (like FSM) employ reviewers who know what they're talking about.  I haven't built a model of a tank in at least twenty years.  If I suddenly make up my mind that I want to build a Panther, I'll read some reviews of Panther kits in FSM (and elsewhere).  One reason I'll read those reviews is that I figure I can assume the reviewers know more about Panther tanks than I do.  Their infomed opinions will help me make an informed decision about how to spend my money.

But the reviewer has a responsibility to make a clear distinction between fact and opinion - and to offer opinions in a way that's useful to the reader.  "The fuselage of the kit is, according to William Green's Warplanes of the Third Reich, 1/16" too long."  That's a statement of fact (note that it's backed up with a reference); the reader can decide whether that 1/16" is worth caring about or not.  "This is the worst armor kit any company has produced in twenty years."  Sentences like that make me quit reading.  (Come on.  Is this guy really competent to make a statement like that?)  "The cockpit is adequately detailed for the scale."  That's an opinion - expressed in a way that, for me as a reader and potential purchaser, is utterly useless.  (The reviews on another website frequently tell me that the detail on particular parts is "pretty good."  That tells me nothing.)  "The cockpit is made up of sixteen plastic parts and eight photo-etched ones.  The process of assembling it is extremely finicky; I lost two tiny brass levers in the carpet.  Their absence is impossible to detect through the tiny canopy."  Better. 

Years ago I read a kit review in which a very experienced and respected warship modeler informed his readers that all warship models ought to be cut off at the waterline, because full-hull warship models, except on very large scales, look "perfectly ridiculous."  Well, he's entitled to his opinion - but he ought to clarify that what he's written is precisely that:  his opinion, with which everybody else is equally entitled to agree or disagree.

An earlier post made some generalized statements about how reviewers are compensated.  Those generalities may be valid regarding FSM - but they aren't universal.  I've reviewed quite a few kits for various journals over the past thirty years (not for FSM, as it happens) over the past thirty years, and I've written dozens of book reviews for publications ranging from the Nautical Research Journal to the American Historical Review.  The sample kit or book has always constituted the entire payment; I've never gotten a dime in cash for writing a review. 

As for the matter of prices, I'm inclined to agree with those who've said that the most important thing is that the price be mentioned  - so the reader can decide whether the kit is worth buying.  Statements like "the kit represents good value for the money" (a common phrase in quite a few modeling magazines) are ok, I guess; the reviewer is certainly entitled to that opinion, and expressing it doesn't do any harm.  (I can't recall the last time I bumped into a review that said a kit was grossly over-priced.)  I do think, though, that occasional comparative observations about prices can be appropriate. 

Example:  Airfix has just released a brand new 1/72 Spitfire Mk. I.  On the basis of the photos FSM has published, it looks like a remarkable kit - accurate shapes, sharp, countersunk panel lines, lots of cockpit components, etc., etc.  The most conspicuous competition is the Tamiya kit, which offers all those features but has taken some criticism due to the slightly blobby molding of its canopy.  The Tamiya kit's retail price (at Squadron, as of this morning) is $17.00.  I couldn't find the price of the Airfix kit in a few minutes of surfing, but it looks like it will probably go for $8.50 in the U.S.  I think a review of the Airfix kit mentioning any contrasts with the Tamiya one - including the prices - would be valid and valuable.  (I'm among those who think that $17.00 is a high but tolerable price for a first-rate 1/72 fighter, but if the $8.50 version is just as good in every important respect, I'll take it every time.) 

It looks to me like Airfix is currently trying to shake up the price structure in the world of high-quality plastic kits.  Take a look at the published commentary on the new Airfix 1/48 BF-109E ($21.25, compared to Tamiya at $29.00 or Hasegawa at about $50.00), and the 1/350 H.M.S. Illustrious ($73.75 - the lowest price of any 1/350 aircraft carrier kit on the market if I'm not mistaken).  If this grand old British company is not only bringing us first-rate kits but trying to reshape our ideas about what constitutes reasonable prices, I think that's highly newsworthy.  But just how do these new Airfix kits compare with the more expensive competition?  Before I plunk down my hard-earned cash, I'd like to know.

I like the features FSM occasionally runs (or has run in the past) in which a qualified reviewer compares a bunch of kits that represent the same subject.  Such an article comparing all the 1/72 Spitfires currently available - including their prices - would, especially for a post-middle-aged American Anglophile like me, be most welcome. 

For what it's worth, I've always found FSM's reviews to be among the most reliable, ethical, and professional in the business.  My biggest complaint:  I wish there were more of them.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

  • Member since
    January 2009
  • From: hamburg michigan
Posted by fermis on Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:13 AM

Harshman II

 Then is there any new kit catering for new comer with big bang for money?  NO.. 90% of the kit currently do not cater for yr so call newbie. Then where is the new blood going to come in?

 Revell has it all right. From their repops of their classics, around $12-$15, up to their brand spnakin new, state of the art kits that rival Tamigawa, for UNDER $30.

 I use to get all outta wack about kit prices. There's really no point in it. If there's something I really want, I can wait. I've gotten many....many, many $40-$60 Tamigawa kits at vendors for $10-$15.

  • Member since
    December 2009
Posted by Harshman II on Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:22 AM

fermis

 Harshman II:

 Then is there any new kit catering for new comer with big bang for money?  NO.. 90% of the kit currently do not cater for yr so call newbie. Then where is the new blood going to come in?

 

 Revell has it all right. From their repops of their classics, around $12-$15, up to their brand spnakin new, state of the art kits that rival Tamigawa, for UNDER $30.

 I use to get all outta wack about kit prices. There's really no point in it. If there's something I really want, I can wait. I've gotten many....many, many $40-$60 Tamigawa kits at vendors for $10-$15.

Which is precisely I put it at 90%... How many establish kit maker emphasize on newbie or budget modeller? Revell and Academy are just the few 10% kit maker but they are far too little.

I can easily give you a dozen of kit maker who have no regards for price factor for their new kit.

  • Member since
    December 2006
  • From: N. Georgia
Posted by Jester75 on Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:47 AM

Isnt the orange boxings from Cyberhobby aimed at the entry level folks? Older DML molds which are still decent kits and build up fairly nice with some additional details added to the box usually? These can be had fairly cheaply from what I've seen.

Eric

 

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