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LOCAL-HOBBY SHOPS vs.ONLINE ET.AL.
Posted by tankerbuilder on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 3:39 PM

I see that there is a lot of feelings one way or the other on this subject.I am adding this becaue it has been pointed out and is valid as is one other point. The truth of the first topic is very valid.Why shop your LHS when they don,t tend to keep stuff in stock ?? Well, my answer to that is instead of shopping there I go to HOBBYTOWN(both in SAN ANTONIO) btw. Now I drive the thirty five miles to a shop on the other side of the city , HILL COUNTRY HOBBIES in BANDERA and everything is always stocked and all racks are full.The same goes for my other shop in AUSTIN. Now , as far as HOBBY LOBBY is concerned They will not see to many more of my dollars either!  They have never even tried(even after all the lip service) to carry K&S engineering .020 brass wire , why,??? JEWELRY and BEADING folks use steel wire.What about the rest of us???. I alone have spent upwards of $125.00on this wire in the last five months!!! I used to buy my paint there(MODELMASTER-ALL COLORS and sprays) Now they have ONLY modelmaster ACRYLIC.Not my cuppa tea.I have over $600.00 in enamel ,why go to acrylic? I don,t like the stuff anyway ! I haven,t met an acrylic paint I have ever had luck with.The glosses were lousy and to thin(The background stuff showed through)and this was with housepaint!!.Now with modelpaints it(the problem mentioned) is even worse.I don,t like using five coats that chip easily and aren,t as sturdy when dry as oil based enamel is. No one will convince me the change to acrylic is for the better.I cannot say there isn,t environmental issues, but , if used responsibly there really isn,t any that I am aware of.It all boils down to this ,ONLINE ,well,sometimes.New stuff over tried and true NOT SO FAST!   ONLINE vs PERSONAL service.Give me personal service and good selection every time and you will get my cash!

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 4:36 PM

Why don't more hobby shops stock "everything" because they can't! They can't afford to cater to a very small fraction of their market base. If the merchandise isn't turning, its burning away profits. No profits no store! If you dust it more than twice, you better mark it down and make room for something that will sell!

Part of the reason LHS don't stock more...there are more new products and lines than anyone can import into their store mix with the given dollars available. Even if they had the money...would they? NO because it would be a poor business decision to do so...trends and customers desires change too quickly.

You can't expect a store to carry a line of products that only you want. Just as you can't expect your local grocery to carry every food item produced. It isn't practical or probably possible.

You're willing and able to drive some distance, others aren't or can't. If they do and that retailer doesn't have what they want, it was a wasted trip. Some people don't have a problem burning a tank of gas to go purchase a few bucks worth of paint. Others do.

I managed a LHS. I saw it in its hay day. Today the selection of products continues to decline, especially in the plastic category...why. Cause very few of those who shop their go there to purchase said products. Most of the clients are into R/C.

One of the many things customers don't understand or know about hobby retailing is that not every product is available to all LHS. Some businesses that sell direct to you don't offer discounts to resellers. No margin, no stock! Also who has time to contact all of these companies that do supply and offer discounts? I don't offer my products through any of the major distributors, so I don't see as many of those LHS stocking my products...a business decision.

Put it to you this way...take your shopping list for the family groceries and source them not at the local Food Mart but from where they come from. You don't have the time nor the gas money to do all of that running around...neither does a LHS manager when looking for products to stock in their store...so they source 70% or better through distributors...and not all distributors carry every hobby item either!

Were a society driven by convenience. We expect to be catered to. Malls never existed before the early '60s...the very first one is or was located not far from where I live. It was a unique concept in its day and look where it is now. Malls are dying in many regions of the country just like LHS are...because they no longer serve the customers need and desires to which they were built for.

There are a lot of businesses that once prospered, yet today they are no longer found. Look around your local community and reflect back into its past, see what was and what now isn't there.

Before LHS blamed the internet for their stores decline, they blamed Wal-Mart! Who or what will get the blame next...certainly not the ones driving the bus. Don't hear much about the driver of the bus being tossed under its own wheels.

 

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 5:04 PM

Ahh, I'll keep buying at HL as long as they got what I want and the 40% coupons...

As for the wire you need, did you look through the whole store or just over in the model department?  You'd be surprised where you find stuff in there... I got the super-fine brash mesh I use for engine/intake screens, over near the "Wood" area, casting resin near the art supplies, brass tubing there as well, acrylic paints are in two or three different places, plaster, clay, Sculpy,  and Celluclay are over with the spray paints, fabrics for sandbags are over at the fabric dept., lighting kits in with the model RR stuff AND the dollhouses (wallpaper there too, for diorama dwellings), and tools are EVERYWHERE... And those pressed-paper houses for craft work make excellent base-frames for building structures, and the styrofoam is at the back, with you foliage mateirals, like asparagus fern and lichen/reindeer moss in the plants section...

Don't get hung up on using "Model Brand" paints... Hobby Lobby's craft paints are the same thing (in acrylics) and other than having stupid names like "Moss" and "Mushroom", match up with FS and RLM colors... Plus, you can get a 3 oz bottle for a buck and some change vs 3/4 oz for $2.50-3.00 bucks...

I see a lot of guys that haven't got a clue how to find anything that's not sitting next to the kits, lol... Gotta think outside the (model) box... The place is laid-out by women FOR women... It doesn't hurt to have a "tame" manager either... I take her out to lunch every couple of months...  Smile Burger

I even managed to get her talked into adding a dispay case in there to allow local modelers to display their Hobby Lobby-purchased kits... 

 

I alone have spent upwards of $125.00on this wire in the last five months!!!

Hope you didn't try that as a technique to get what you wanted.. They hate that as much as a Cop that has to hear "I pay your salary!" when an indignant and/or outraged "law-abiding citizen" gets stopped by one for NOT abiding the law.....

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Posted by hutchdh on Tuesday, November 30, 2010 7:05 PM

I will continue to patronize both...depends on my needs.  I also support the LHS just because I like to see these guys in business and it is nice to talk face-to-face with a real person.  I found a great shop in Northern Virginia to where he only sells model kits and supplies.  He does say that internet is competition, but his customers are loyal and he tries to get to know everyone that comes through the door...a rarity these days.  He does say he sells at retail, but you get retail service.  If he doesn't have it in stock, he will find it for you through his distributors.  I know I paid more for one kit recently than what I could have gotten it on the internet, but it was worth it. 

Hutch

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Posted by KINGTHAD on Thursday, December 2, 2010 11:23 AM

Tankerbuilder

Go check out Dibbles also if the dont have it Jeff or the Joaner can get it for you.

Rudy at Kings in Austin is the same way.

Thad

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Posted by paintsniffer on Thursday, December 2, 2010 11:47 AM

I'm a very regular at Hill Country Hobby.. Just about anything he doesn't have he will order for you if it isn't on the shelf, ASK. Personally, I much prefer to support a local small business than give my money to Squadron or Great Models.

 

And if there is an out of production kit you want, ask. The owner of that store has been doing wonders for digging up hard to find kits and selling them at reasonable prices.

Excuse me.. Is that an Uzi?

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Posted by RedCorvette on Thursday, December 2, 2010 12:46 PM

Unfortunately, I don't have much of a choice anymore.

In the past 25 years that I've lived in Sarasota, I've seen literally a dozen hobby shops come and go (including one that was wooden ships only).

All we have left within 60 miles is a train shop and a few shelves at a Michael's craft store.

Fortunately the train shop carries Model Master enamels and acrylics, plus they have a full line of adhesives, sheet styrene, brass, tools, etc., which carry over from trains to plastic models.

As far as plastic kits, decals, photo-etch, resin, etc., it's the Internet or nothing for me.   

Mark

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Thursday, December 2, 2010 1:28 PM

RedCorvette

Unfortunately, I don't have much of a choice anymore.

In the past 25 years that I've lived in Sarasota, I've seen literally a dozen hobby shops come and go (including one that was wooden ships only).

Was there enough of a customer base there to even begin such a niche type operation?

All we have left within 60 miles is a train shop and a few shelves at a Michael's craft store.

Fortunately the train shop carries Model Master enamels and acrylics, plus they have a full line of adhesives, sheet styrene, brass, tools, etc., which carry over from trains to plastic models.

As far as plastic kits, decals, photo-etch, resin, etc., it's the Internet or nothing for me.   

Given the diversity of subjects and the aftermarket materials produced, could any LHS retailer carry everything their customers would want? Probably not. When you plan on it, that's when the customer base disappears. That and customer interest change with the release of new offerings, which arrive on the market faster than they can in many cases be stocked. A challenge for all retail operations is anticipation of what the customer will be purchasing 6 months in the future.

This time of year brings us all sorts of Christmas decorations and gift ideas. As a former retailer who had to make these purchasing decisions while at buying trips in May/June one has to make some hard choices. One such choice was what color of lights will people want to use to decorate their homes...do you risk the presumed popular choice that the vendor is offering or do you remain conservative and get a little of each. Nothing worse than stocking up on white colored lights and have everyone want blue ones instead!

Same holds true for scale modeling and its associated products. Something good is announced, you think wow these will sell and within a week of their arrival the product has been torn apart in such a way there is little if any interest from anyone to purchase it. Great you're sitting on two full cases!  What was thought to be "the product" to get customers into the store is now a major drain on capital and will have to be disposed of at a huge loss of margin.

Anything that needs to be dusted off twice or more is a non moving product...a product which for all practical business purposes should have not been stocked. In the hardware store I managed we had to review daily which SKUs we were going to discount and/or discontinue. Given the vast number of SKUs we stocked, there were still items which someone wanted which we didn't carry. The options were offer to order it or refer them to someone local who did.

One of the lost arts in retail is salesmanship. A good retailer knows not only how to close the deal, but also get add-on sales as well. Selling a kit, offer the right necessities...glue, paint and tools to assemble it. Those General Category items are the core of a LHS retail profits...sadly many a LHS has forgotten this fact (which has been the topic of discussion in the trade mags).

A LHS can no longer be all things to all customers. The customer base is too diverse (niche) and the margins too thin to offset the overhead to maintain inventory to meet it.

Even Wal-Mart the world's largest retailer closes stores that are no longer viable.

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

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Posted by iraqiwildman on Thursday, December 2, 2010 1:39 PM

I wish I had a local hobby shop, the closed is 75 miles away.

 I do hit the clearance section at Hobby Lobby and usually find paint and some kits. That bi-weekly 40% coupon is nice too.

 

Tim Wilding

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Posted by KINGTHAD on Thursday, December 2, 2010 2:00 PM

In a way you are passing your money to Squdron.....thats where he gets some of his stuff, but I agree support the local shop!

Thad

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Posted by Bronto on Thursday, December 2, 2010 2:09 PM

KINGTHAD

In a way you are passing your money to Squdron.....thats where he gets some of his stuff, but I agree support the local shop!

Thad

 

That's true.  Even if you buy from the LHS, we still buy the items from one of the few distributors that are out there (MMD, Sentai, Stevens, etc.)  so either way Squadron is still getting your money.

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Thursday, December 2, 2010 2:11 PM

KINGTHAD

In a way you are passing your money to Squdron.....thats where he gets some of his stuff, but I agree support the local shop!

Thad

 

You are missing something. Squadron/MMD is a distributor from which many LHS order from for their models, accessories and supplies. Sqd/MMD is the importer, distributor and retailer...they have three fingers in the pie.

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

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Posted by KINGTHAD on Thursday, December 2, 2010 2:16 PM

Im am not missing the point you are just basiclly repeating what I said.

Thad

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Thursday, December 2, 2010 2:25 PM

My bad. Sorry.

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

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Posted by KINGTHAD on Thursday, December 2, 2010 2:34 PM

no problem I hope I did not come across abrasiveBlack Eye

Thad

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Posted by PaintsWithBrush on Thursday, December 2, 2010 7:04 PM

It's hard to add anything to what 'HawkeyeHobbies' said in his first response. Only an internet player, selling to a worldwide customer base can come close to stocking the kind of inventory that one needs to satisfy the buyer.

There aren't enough modelers within a comfortable traveling distance to justify a huge outlay of cash to properly stock a LHS.

'Hawkeye' is also right about the distributors. They are in the business of making money and they tend to stick with the proven names that deliver consistent product flow and decent profit margin.

There's also that 800 pound gorilla of waning interest in the hobby to consider.

A 100% rider on a 70% bike will always defeat a 70% rider on a 100% bike. (Kenny Roberts)

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:23 PM

I do have to interject here.I was working at WAL-MART when the word came down -no more models or model paints,no more fabric dept either.That,s the way it hits now. I will continue to support KINGS in AUSTIN , HILL COUNTRY HOBBIES in BANDERA.These guys HAVE what I want and need . I also have a friend in CONCORD CA. Who owns JUST TRAINS.Joan does trains mainly , but , she was never adverse to ordering something for me. Now ,one more tidbit.I heard that EVERGREEN PLASTICS is possibly up for sale .Is that true?? If so I really hope someone does the deed and continues to supply us with the great products.Otherwise where do we get that stuff???  tankerbuilder  in TEXAS

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Posted by Sparrowhyperion on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:37 PM

When was this.  Our local Wal-Mart still has sections for Fabric and Models, although their selection stinks.  I won't buy there on principle.

 

tankerbuilder

I do have to interject here.I was working at WAL-MART when the word came down -no more models or model paints,no more fabric dept either.That,s the way it hits now. I will continue to support KINGS in AUSTIN , HILL COUNTRY HOBBIES in BANDERA.These guys HAVE what I want and need . I also have a friend in CONCORD CA. Who owns JUST TRAINS.Joan does trains mainly , but , she was never adverse to ordering something for me. Now ,one more tidbit.I heard that EVERGREEN PLASTICS is possibly up for sale .Is that true?? If so I really hope someone does the deed and continues to supply us with the great products.Otherwise where do we get that stuff???  tankerbuilder  in TEXAS

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Posted by echolmberg on Thursday, December 23, 2010 12:04 PM

Just to back up what Paintsniffer said, if your local hobby shop doesn't have or normally carry something you're interested in, then just ask!  The other day I was going to order the Revellogram F-80 from Squadron.  I got so tunnel-visioned that I completely forgot that the manager at my local HobbyTown has always ordered stuff for me.  So I contacted him.  A week later I got my kit and I was happy to support him with my dollars and avoid shipping costs at the same time.

Almost all of the time he's able to get stuff for me.  If he can't then I have no issue at all going with Squadron, HobbyLink, Sprue Bros, you name it.  But if I can get something just by asking first then I'll take that route first.

Eric

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