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  • Member since
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  • From: Indiana
Gator Glue
Posted by hkshooter on Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:16 AM

Acting on an idea from a member here, I purchased a bottle of Gator Hobby Glue. The discussion was about attaching PE and the delicate nature of CA in such tiny amounts.

The stuff arrived and I immediately went to work with it. Here's what I've found.

If you've ever used Krystal Klear this stuff seems like the same stuff at first. The product looks that same, feels the same, is odorless. I'm not sure what KK is other than white glue but Gator Glue is touted as an acrylic product. It's label claims it will join dissimilar materials.

On further observation, I noticed when I dip a toothpick in the stuff what's left disturbed in the container holds it's shape. It doesn't level back out like KK does. On the project it seems to act like KK, it stays in place and beads up. It dries quickly and one has to gauge the speed of work against the speed of the glue. So far I've attached clear parts with it (it dries clear) and some stainless steel pins.
For clear parts I applied a small bead of the product to the edges of the canopy and immediately put the part in place, mushing the product out around the seam and using a q-tip dipped in water to clean up the excess. Worked like a charm and in fact, the label indicates to use a drop or two of water in the bottle if the product gets to thick over time.
In couple of minutes the product has started to go clear and the part was stuck rather well. Happy with that.

In another use I attached clear parts with the glue with butt joints. I applied the glue to one side of the joint and waited about a minute and a half before joining the parts. I aligned then pushed the parts together and they were immediately stuck. Still flexible but stuck together well enough that I didn't need to hold them.

A third experiment was with the SS pins. I drilled holes into styrene, dipped the end of the short pins in the product which resulted in a small bead, then stuck the pins in the predrilled holes, giving them a wiggle to help the glue get into the hole. These seemed to dry a lot slower than the other experiments and 15 mins later they could still be wiggled though they were getting stiff. The next day the pins were stuck fast and I could not pull them out easily.

Though I originally bought the product to use in place of CA with PE parts I've found it works great in other places. It takes more time than using CA but the hold is much more resilient. After my clear parts were dry I tried to remove them and found that the bond was much stronger than KK or Model Master clear parts cement. Letting the product dried undisturbed for a minute or so (less time for smaller amounts) then sticking the parts together created an immediate strong bond that I think will work well for small parts and PE because sheer forces will not pop the parts loose like CA. Bump a lever glued on with this stuff and it will bend, not pop off.

I tried to sand the stuff with limited success. The product shrinks a small amount when it dries but not as much as other glues. I tried to sand a small bead of the dried product and found that it can be sanded but with mild pressure. I used a gray (medium) sanding stick and very light pressure and it sanded ok. I could tell that to much pressure would result in tearing and rolling up the product. I may have not let it dry enough before sanding though so the jury is still out on the sanding.

I'm looking forward to using Gator Glue in more places in the future. At the moment I don't have a PE project going but I'm considering using some spare pieces for an experiment. I think it will work very well and will be a good alternative to CA for PE parts, practically guaranteeing you won't look into the cockpit of your next completed project and find you can't throttle the plane or set the parking brake anymore because the lever is missing.

http://www.gatorsmask.com/gatorglueorder.html

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  • From: Kennewick, WA
Posted by kbuzz01 on Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:26 PM

Nice summary, shooter.  Thanks for the info, sounds like good stuff.

Ken

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  • From: Allentown, PA
Posted by BaBill212 on Sunday, January 16, 2011 4:30 AM

Thanks for the review shooter....  appreciate it

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by Bgrigg on Sunday, January 16, 2011 7:35 AM

Ken sells good stuff! And nice review! Yes

So long folks!

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  • From: Brunswick, Ohio
Posted by Buckeye on Sunday, January 16, 2011 1:37 PM

My LHS suggested using the stuff for PE parts.  I tried it on the few parts I had to install and liked the results.  I've also used it on attaching canopies which worked well.

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  • From: Far Northern CA
Posted by mrmike on Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:12 PM

Thanx for the experiments and results! I was interested in a recent thread about Gator Glue and looked at the review on the website. It occurred to me that the "acrylic polymer" base description seemed very common to a couple of products I've used in cabinet construction. I'm doing some tests with Roo Glue which is incredibly strong for wood to melamine joints, and claims to be very good for metal to plastic.

First test was to just cut a runner off a PE fret an smear a bit of Roo on the styrene and let it cure...not too bad. Took a fair pull with some real world size needlenose pliers to pull it off. Next test(s) will be scuffing the surfaces before gluing, and seeing how temperature affects the bond. If this works well. it could be a great alternative to CA glues, 'cause the polymer family is a lot less brittle.

I'll continue to mess with this, and look forward to what you come up with .

mike 

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  • From: NYC, USA
Posted by waikong on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 11:54 AM

Thanks very much for your post! I've been hearing a lot about this product but yours was the first to have a very detailed description on its behavior. Thanks again for doing the tests and sharing it.  I'm going to pick up a bottle next time I'm at the hardware store.

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  • From: Democratic Peoples Republic of Illinois
Posted by Hercmech on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:34 PM

Thank you for the excellent run down. I am always in the market for new stuff, much to my wife's displeaseure. (See medal below). I will ahve to give this stuff a try.


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  • From: Cave City, KY
Posted by Watchmann on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:06 PM

waikong, I'm not sure you will be able to find it at the home center, at least I couldn't find it.  Make sure you get the right stuff, "Gator's Grip Hobby Glue."

http://www.gatorsmask.com/gatorglueorder.html

I haven't used mine to attach much photoetch, but I have found that it will not hold where there is a lot stress.  For example, I tried glueing the PE window frames for my Roland C.II into the inside of the fuselage.  I had put a bit too much curl into the frames, so they did not meet flush against the inside wall.  After I attached them with the Gator Glue, and after I release the clamps, they slowly came undone.  I also tried a test where I glued two K&S brass bars together.  I applied about 5mm of glue to each surface and overlapped the pieces.  I let it setup over night.  The next day I pulled in opposite directions it it came right apart.

I'm not knocking Gator's Grip Glue, but I don't think it will work in all situations where we used CA to attach PE.  I'm looking forward to trying it on some ship railings.  I believe it will be great for that situation.

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  • From: NYC, USA
Posted by waikong on Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:32 AM

Thanks for the heads up regarding where to find it, I'll look at one of those crafts stores next time I'm in one.

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Posted by pridco on Monday, March 2, 2015 12:31 AM

Thanks for your thorough review.  I look forward to trying some.  I dread using CA glue and I can't keep the containers from drying up.  I bought the hph hornet so I'm gonna need some help!

fox
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  • From: Narvon, Pa.
Posted by fox on Monday, March 2, 2015 6:22 PM

Thanks for the great review.  Just wondering if it can be used in place of the other hobby glues that we all have used over the years for building our models.  The messy tubes, the bottles with the metal tubing that keeps getting clogged (even when the mfgr. says it won't), and the really thin ones that are dry before you can get the two parts together.  I'm always searching for, and trying new glues to try and I think I'll try this one.

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