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Posted by tankerbuilder on Monday, December 19, 2011 5:48 PM

I told GARY that if he enlarged the shop I would supply the coffeemakers for a share of the coffee profits , OH and don,t forgetthe hot tub and the babes ! he declined .Well ,I tried .REALLY, GARY is tops in my book and he is very responsive to his customers wants and needs Yes ,he does need more room .Other than that , when I am going south its HILL COUNTRY HOBBIES and when I go north it,s KINGS . two of the greatest hobby shops in TEXAS !!!          tankerbuilder

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Posted by DoogsATX on Monday, September 26, 2011 5:55 PM

Cadet Chuck

Most of the time, you can shoot a cannon down any aisle of the big box stores without hitting any employees....

It's a corollary to Murphy's Law.

If you're "just looking" you can't beat the staff off with a stick.

But if you need help...

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Monday, September 26, 2011 4:51 PM

Within a 15 mi radius, we have two really good hardware stores.  One is a Ace franchise, the other is a family owned independent.  Both are full of friendly and knowledgeable people and all the offbeat hard to find items you won't find in the big box stores.  I shop at these local stores whenever possible.

Most of the time, you can shoot a cannon down any aisle of the big box stores without hitting any employees....

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by EBergerud on Monday, September 26, 2011 4:39 PM

In the 1920's there were a blizzard of "grass roots" movements across the country to fight the growing strength of the early supermarket like Piggly Wiggly because they were putting "mom and pop" shops out of business. It all failed. But it certainly set a trend. The kind of small business where a person could stay in the middle class is shrinking dramatically. It doesn't matter if you make a profit - that's a given or you're broke - but what's the margin? Look what's happened to a real staple of Americana - the local hardware store. They're getting steamrolled by the Home Depots of America. This hurts because someone that knows the world of tools can be absolutely invaluable when it comes to buying them. To keep costs down, it's no longer needed to know anything about what you sell.

I have very mixed feelings about this. I know perfectly well that my "stash" would never have grown to anything like its present size if I had paid LHS prices. (There is one LHS in Berkeley with enough kits to keep me busy, although they're irregular on supplies. Their heart is in railroads. Another one services St. Paul and is better if you can get by the Jeckel/Hyde nature of the staff.) If I buy a kit from Sprue on sale or ScaleHobbyist at any time, I can expect to pay half what I would at the LHS with the lack of sales tax compensating for shipping. And I like my stash:  there's a simple Scrooge-like joy that comes from gazing at the stash and wondering how you're going to attack the various kits whether you do or not. But will I ever finish it? That's up to Divine Providence, but overall I'd guess I've lost money by saving money. And, I'd guess that I could have gotten along just fine with Tamiya and MM paints, especially as so much of my painting energy is being drawn to the art store with those lovely colors, low cost and no solvents baring airbrush cleaner.

But, let's face it, all of the woes of the LHS have been made much greater by the 21st century's "Idiot Box" - the PC. Consumption has become so easy and selection so great that two factors that might slow spending are elminated. (The economic impact of this dynamic should be obvious - and it's not good when you consider that personal debt dwarfs national debts.) The various social networking faciliites (mine started with Listserv in the 1990s has continued on to the modeling boards now) have had the perverse effect of killing magazines, newspapers and sending book sales into a downward spiral. Odd that high technology would work to make an entire culture stupid. But models are cheap. And where would we get WingNut?

Eric

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 26, 2011 3:40 PM

HawkeyeHobbies

 telsono:

You can say that about many types of small businesses that require a special love of the product or skill in making it. Many LHS's that I have seen closed are for health reasons (the medical bills shut them down) or retirement with nobody able to take over the business. In one case, the family refused the buyout offer by the employees.

Like many, I make the LHS my primary source of supplies. Ocassionally, I like to order a kit through them to give them more business, as well. If the distribution is being limited for more than supply and demand functions, then it is a sad state of affairs which will grind down the LHS's even faster.

Mike T. 

 

Found a sucker, some UPS driver who wanted to own his own LHS.

Again the guy had a day job, wife who knew little if anything about the items they sold coupled with buying a store packed full of dead inventory...DEATH. So much for his retirement dream and their life's savings.

Of all the people who should have known better: a UPS driver, who delivered packages from Squadron and Great Models all day---guess he just figured modeling was a big hobby and didn't tie in that most $ in the hobby is going online...

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Monday, September 26, 2011 3:29 PM

telsono

You can say that about many types of small businesses that require a special love of the product or skill in making it. Many LHS's that I have seen closed are for health reasons (the medical bills shut them down) or retirement with nobody able to take over the business. In one case, the family refused the buyout offer by the employees.

Like many, I make the LHS my primary source of supplies. Ocassionally, I like to order a kit through them to give them more business, as well. If the distribution is being limited for more than supply and demand functions, then it is a sad state of affairs which will grind down the LHS's even faster.

Mike T. 

Saw that here too. Owner was good at managing his store, wife had health issues and he wanted to retire from being a store owner and his day job. Wife ran the store during the day. Had way too much dead inventory because he didn't believe in discounting it to sell it off. Found a sucker, some UPS driver who wanted to own his own LHS.

Again the guy had a day job, wife who knew little if anything about the items they sold coupled with buying a store packed full of dead inventory...DEATH. So much for his retirement dream and their life's savings.

I see the shift in interests not only in the hobby industry but also as my duties as a Park Commissioner. We see neighborhood parks who once were filled with kids playing ball seeing no traffic at all. As the kids grew the neighborhood's demographics changed. Where a ball diamond exists now, the residents are looking for walking trails instead. Eventually the neighborhood will change again and the diamond will be once again in use.

However with a LHS, once gone they are likely gone forever. The location where they were located will be used for something else or even torn down and redeveloped unlike a park which remains where it is for the life of the community itself or the community decides that property is not serving the taxpayers needs as a park.

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

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Posted by telsono on Monday, September 26, 2011 3:16 PM

You can say that about many types of small businesses that require a special love of the product or skill in making it. Many LHS's that I have seen closed are for health reasons (the medical bills shut them down) or retirement with nobody able to take over the business. In one case, the family refused the buyout offer by the employees.

Like many, I make the LHS my primary source of supplies. Ocassionally, I like to order a kit through them to give them more business, as well. If the distribution is being limited for more than supply and demand functions, then it is a sad state of affairs which will grind down the LHS's even faster.

Mike T. 

Beware the hobby that eats.  - Ben Franklin

Do not fear mistakes. You will know failure. Continue to reach out. - Ben Franklin

The U.S. Constitution  doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. - Ben Franklin

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Posted by RESlusher on Monday, September 26, 2011 2:54 PM

HawkeyeHobbies

For every new LHS that opens two close their doors. Since April of 2011 one hundred stores have closed their doors for good. Do the math, LHS are quickly becoming extinct.

And that's the really sad part, IMHO.  Crying

Richard S.

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Monday, September 26, 2011 2:43 PM

For every new LHS that opens two close their doors. Since April of 2011 one hundred stores have closed their doors for good. Do the math, LHS are quickly becoming extinct.

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

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Posted by telsono on Monday, September 26, 2011 2:31 PM

Doog - I see your point, Dragon used to be distributed by Stevens Int'l here I believe. They ended that relationship due to many diffilculties, for one bad customer service to which the distributor was responsible to. It did get me to wonder why Bronco kits were almost double the price here as from online dealers outside the US (not just Japan, and Hong Kong, but Europe as well).

I have had good direct dealings with Pacific Coast Models over the years, as they are a very good source of Italian related models. In the last few years they have expanded to be distributors for other companies. If they are showing some expansion set backs with their distribution of TASCA, I am not sure. But Sprue Brothers carries other products that they are distributors for, like Fruil tracks, etc. Sprue Brothers may not want to carry the PCM line of aircraft, another LHS I go to, usually has them in stock if I need them. Stormo in Canada also carried the PCM line.

Mike T.

Beware the hobby that eats.  - Ben Franklin

Do not fear mistakes. You will know failure. Continue to reach out. - Ben Franklin

The U.S. Constitution  doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. - Ben Franklin

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Posted by DoogsATX on Monday, September 26, 2011 2:06 PM

telsono

I also see a problem with the distributors. Sometimes, my LHS sometimes cannot get a new kit. It seems that they reserve many new kits for the big online stores. For example, I ordered the Vulcan Models Vickers Mk VI through my LHS. They couldn't beg for a copy, but Great Models gets a restock in mere days!? There seems to be certain labels that get broad distribution while others (especially the smaller Asian companies) are parceled out in small lots if that. Italeri, for one, is easy to get a new release, but the smaller brands are handed out in dribs and drabs.

I ended up buying the Vulcan Kit overseas and still saved money over the prices listed here.

Mike T.

Depends who the distributor is and how deep their ties go. 

A few weeks ago, I ordered two kits through King's Hobby Shop here in Austin. Dragon's new Panzer IV J Last Production and Tasca's Sherman Jumbo. 

The Dragon was in within days. I'm still waiting on the Jumbo. But the thing is...Dragon is its own distributor over here, and they also distribute Bronco, Zvezda, and a few others.

Tasca, I believe, gets distributed by Pacific Coast Models, which doesn't seem to be anywhere near the same scale of operation. There's also limits on who can get them. For example, Great Models stocks Tasca and PCM kits, but last time I searched Sprue Brothers I didn't see either.

I'd just say screw it and order it online, but you never see Tascas discounted really, and I have a ton of 20% things from King's. That and I like the guys and like giving them business. 

 

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Monday, September 26, 2011 2:05 PM

We have a very small Hobby Town in our small town - but I don't think the manager knows anything about mechandising.  They have a ton of plastic kits but don't seem to sell many, and it's obvious why.  They are out of sight in the last, darkest, dead-end aisle in the back of the store, in an unsorted jumble on shelves on both sides of the aisle.  Scales mixed, aircraft, armour, ships, all mixed in together in just a big mess.  I asked the manger why they didn't sort it and display it properly, he said if they did, the kids would mess it all up again in a day or two. 

Sometimes I'll take a stroll back there and look for sale stickers, of which there are very few.  If I'm looking for something specific, forget it, I'm not taking the time to sort through thousands of mixed up kits.

The selection of tools and supplies is adequate for me, usually, but certainly minimal.

They seem to be more geared to selling big R/C stuff and toys- although they also have some good educational science kits for kids.

And they also sell $5000 pool tables!  Seems to be a lack of focus there.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by telsono on Monday, September 26, 2011 1:55 PM

I also see a problem with the distributors. Sometimes, my LHS sometimes cannot get a new kit. It seems that they reserve many new kits for the big online stores. For example, I ordered the Vulcan Models Vickers Mk VI through my LHS. They couldn't beg for a copy, but Great Models gets a restock in mere days!? There seems to be certain labels that get broad distribution while others (especially the smaller Asian companies) are parceled out in small lots if that. Italeri, for one, is easy to get a new release, but the smaller brands are handed out in dribs and drabs.

I ended up buying the Vulcan Kit overseas and still saved money over the prices listed here.

Mike T.

Beware the hobby that eats.  - Ben Franklin

Do not fear mistakes. You will know failure. Continue to reach out. - Ben Franklin

The U.S. Constitution  doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. - Ben Franklin

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Posted by RESlusher on Monday, September 26, 2011 1:37 PM

tankerbuilder

Hey ,REslusher , Hi and good morning. DALLAS/FT.WORTH you say ?That means you are not far from CARROLLTON, right ??. As you probably already know that,s where SQUADRON calls home ! I am in NEW BRAUNFELS and I have done business with them for years. They were the first "mail-order "house I dealt with . Now all these years later I am still a very satisfied customer.       tankerbuilder

Nah, I'm not too far from Squadron's place.  IPMS-North Central Texas puts on a show near there in May each year.  They even run a shuttle bus over to Squadron and you can buy stuff for a fairly descent discount.  Also there's EagleQuest every year that Squadron puts on; but it's admission is a little steep for me.

I'm gonna head over to HobbyTown in Arlington this weekend...gotta pick up some more paint.

 

Richard S.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Monday, September 26, 2011 1:20 PM

You know that,s very funny .I told GARY the last time I was there ( the first week of the month) that he needed to run off  the shop next door and expand to that space too ! We had a good laugh over that. He does his best with the room he has and the thing I like is , like KINGS in AUSTIN , he will order stuff for me and that,s just a phone call ! I have only visited DIBBLES in S.A. One time .The selection was at best garbled and very train oriented .He really didn,t have anything I wanted or needed . Now when I go to HILL COUNTRY (GARY,S shop) or KING,S I find what I want about 95% of the time and order the rest . Between those two LHS I have been able to keep up eith my client in ARIZONA . HOBBYTOWN is also in for a good share too ! I do shop SQUADRON and that,s it for mail order . I think I bought  from  MICRO-MARK once . So there you have it .          tankerbuilder

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Posted by brineclark on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 3:58 AM

A big-box store (also supercenter, superstore, or megastore) is a physically large retail establishment, usually part of a chain. The term sometimes also refers, by extension, to the company that operates the store. Examples include large department stores such as Walmart and Target.

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Posted by jesonmark on Monday, March 14, 2011 11:56 AM

Yes lot of large Stores are available to fulfill you purpose. you need only to search in your local area where you can get your desired product..

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Posted by Dogwatch on Monday, March 14, 2011 11:53 AM

paintsniffer

If you are in San Antonio stop wasting your time with the big stores.

http://hillcountryhobby.com/

Go see that guy. He has or can get anything you need and his prices are very reasonable.

 

Absolutely agree with you!  Gary is great and his selection is far better than Hobbytown IMO.  He is also quick to order whatever you want and takes/sells consignment kits too.  My only complaint is that he needs a bigger shop with more stuff! :-)

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:46 AM

HawkeyeHobbies

Doing business with WM has consequences...you can stand to sell a lot to them and make a ton of money fast.

You do provide an explanation regarding why I would notice some WM stores would never re-stock kits, some would have meager re-stock  but others were frequently re-stocked.

Oddly, I used to hear ( late 1960s )  that manufacturers who were supplying Sears orders

( back when Sears was the 900 lb gorilla )

but were unable to produce enough for both increased Sears demands and Sears competitors, would concentrate on supplying Sears and end up out of business when Sears dropped them.

Don't know how true it was at the time....

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Posted by Kugai on Saturday, March 12, 2011 8:57 PM

Here in Huntington we still have a good LHS left.  While we have  Hobby Lobby, I've only bought something there twice since it opened, partly because of prices and partly because of non-hobby-related concerns I have about the place.

The LHS gets my business for anything they have that I want, with the main PITA limitation ( not the store's fault ) being her distributor not carrying much of the SF stuff I want or much from Japan.  I recently went so far in supporting this store over online options that the stockpile of PL Refit Enterprise kits I recently got came from there instead of Starship Modeler despite the extra cost to me.  While I have no problems with the online site, I figured getting the basics locally and specialty stuff online was a fair way to get what I want and contribute to keeping a good local business ( especially given as helpful as they are to the few local modelers that seem to be left with special orders and such ) going.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:00 AM

Hey There ! DOOGS hows it going?? One of these days we need to meet . I shop at KINGS all the time and also HILL COUNTRY HOBBIES out on BANDERA rd. in S.A. . The guys at KINGS have always done me right . By the way ,when you are in there check out the display case . That,s my GERMAN ww1 ship in there and there,s some cars too , especially my 69/70 MALIBU which I call "MALIBLU". When I come to AUSTIN next time I will let you know and maybe we can get to meet over lunch okay ??      tankerbuilder

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Saturday, March 12, 2011 8:54 AM

Hey ,REslusher , Hi and good morning. DALLAS/FT.WORTH you say ?That means you are not far from CARROLLTON, right ??. As you probably already know that,s where SQUADRON calls home ! I am in NEW BRAUNFELS and I have done business with them for years. They were the first "mail-order "house I dealt with . Now all these years later I am still a very satisfied customer.       tankerbuilder

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Friday, March 11, 2011 12:41 PM

tigerman

Hate to be the buzzkill, but if it weren't for ebay, Greatmodels, and other online stores, I wouldn't have the stash that I have, because the LHS charges so much more for retail prices on kits. I still support the shops for supplies and occasionally magazines, but I won't be paying inflated prices just to say "first".

I have to agree...I have 1 half-a$$ed HS near me and the guy is insane with his prices...can`t believe he sells anything. Most of my stash is from Ebay and never came close to paying what some of these LHS`s want for their kits. It`s a shame...I really like browsing a well stocked shop but can`t bring myself to over pay for something.

Len Pytlewski

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, March 4, 2011 4:57 PM

Hate to be the buzzkill, but if it weren't for ebay, Greatmodels, and other online stores, I wouldn't have the stash that I have, because the LHS charges so much more for retail prices on kits. I still support the shops for supplies and occasionally magazines, but I won't be paying inflated prices just to say "first".

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Posted by Reasoned on Friday, March 4, 2011 1:44 PM

MAJ Mike

What needs to happen is that we actually support any of our local shops.  The Internet has made shopping too easy for us.  I'm trying to limit my on-line purchases to items I can't find locally.

Hear! hear!  I try and buy all of my kits & supplies (and have) from my LHS's here in "River City".  Unfourtanately one of the best is GOB (MVR hobby) but we still have another excellent store willing to order what I want (at a discount) Major Art & Hobby.

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Posted by paintsniffer on Friday, March 4, 2011 1:02 PM

If you are in San Antonio stop wasting your time with the big stores.

http://hillcountryhobby.com/

Go see that guy. He has or can get anything you need and his prices are very reasonable.

Excuse me.. Is that an Uzi?

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Posted by RESlusher on Friday, March 4, 2011 12:30 PM

I too miss the days of having an LHS from which to buy.  Alas, those days seem to be long gone.  I can't find any in the FW area.  HL just keeps the same old, tired crap until they end up putting it on the clearance rack.  When someone buys it from there, it seems that someone at the store says, "Hmm, they must really like those.  Let's buy some more." and they order the exact same ones that sat on the shelves for an eternity, thus the cycle starts continues.

Fortunately I do have a HobbyTown close by in Arlington (TX) and I do buy a fair number of kits and most of my supplies there; but I have been forced to turn to the Dark Side.  That's right, I buy off eBay.  It appears to be the last bastion for the LHS, setting up an online store there. 

 

Richard S.

On the bench:  AFV Club M730A1 Chaparral

On deck:  Tamiya Marder 1A2

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Posted by RedCorvette on Friday, March 4, 2011 12:12 PM

HawkeyeHobbies

Watch for a marriage and consolidation between the craft and hobby industry in the very near future. The two need each other to survive. Both are facing challenges due to changing interests and demographics. When you go to a industry trade show in the not to distant future, the ladies will most definitely want to go with you...there will be both worlds represented...hobby and craft all under one roof.

We lost our last LHS about four years ago and the only place you can find any plastic kits anymore is Michael's Arts & Crafts.  They have about 1/4 of an aisle in the back of the store for models (mostly Revell) & a Testors paint display rack.  I give them some credit for doing even that.  It's okay for the casual modeler/beginner, but does nothing to attract the business of  serious modelers.  If it wasn't for Sprue Bros and Squadron online I'd be out of the hobby.

Mark

 

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Friday, March 4, 2011 11:30 AM

The craft industry and those retailers who sell such brick a brac work a lot differently than do the LHS. Margins at craft stores is far better than those found in a LHS. Craft stores which carry and stock items such as plastic model kits and accessories do so for two reasons. To attract as many of the family members as possible (they want dad and juniors dollars too) and because they can make a return on their investment with very little square footage sacrificed.

The big box stores eliminated plastics for the same reasons they did so for other categories of products they once stocked. The ROI might have been their but not the volume to justify the retail space those items used up. Sears has eliminated several categories, adjusting their mix to get the best ROI both in margin and volume versus space. Sears used to sell boats, but a boat takes up a tremendous amount of space and if you sell one or two a month, its better to drop them and move on to something that sells more and does use as much space.

Again using Sears as an example, guys like tools and such...notice how little lawn and garden equipment they display and carry? Fewer lines, fewer models and much less physical representation on the floor. You can order a greater variety from their catalog, than you'll find in the stores.

We used to have music stores in our local mall...gone. We used to have toy stores in our local mall...gone. I used to be able to find just about everything I needed at my LHS...many of those items are gone and so too are some of the LHS I used to visit.

As long as Hobby Lobby maintains good sales, they'll keep kits. Wal-Mart was seeing good overall sales on kits but their system was broken. I talked to several area managers across the state specifically about kits. The logistics and ordering system WM was and is using was flawed.

A store here could order dozens of cases of kits and be lucky if they got one. Yet a store elsewhere that had limited success selling kits got them all, all the time. When the management at WM went checking to see if the products were selling they used the overstock/dead inventory information from the store which couldn't give kits away as their justification to discontinue them.

Meanwhile those stores who's shelves were always empty and customer begging for more were not figured into the formula.  Store managers were transferring inventory to other stores that wanted them, but they had to go through the WM logistic system which again from what I was told was coded overstock or dead inventory which depending on the day and which way the wind was blowing determined if the items were sent to the store wanting it or returned to the mfr.

Doing business with WM has consequences...you can stand to sell a lot to them and make a ton of money fast. But you're also on the hook to purchase it all back if it doesn't sell. That's why a lot of companies are no longer doing business with WM or are out of business themselves. WM also expects dropping pricing each purchasing cycle that they do business with you. They know what they are willing to pay initially and mfrs try to produce to meet those prices, but they more often than not don't factor in the declining purchasing price WM insists on. So that 50% just dropped to 40% then to 30% then 20% all when you have to continue at a 38% minimum margin to cover overhead costs.  FAIL.

Watch for a marriage and consolidation between the craft and hobby industry in the very near future. The two need each other to survive. Both are facing challenges due to changing interests and demographics. When you go to a industry trade show in the not to distant future, the ladies will most definitely want to go with you...there will be both worlds represented...hobby and craft all under one roof.

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

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