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  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:10 AM

In the mid seventies we were working on algorithms for the trackers on IR imaging guided anti-ship missiles.  We had a hybrid setup on the lab mini-computer.  We were using a tv camera to simulate IR, on a motion controlled carriage.

We needed targets.  We did not have very elaborate graphics software in those days, so I bought some small ship models- probably 1:700- don't remember for sure.  We had some IR recon photos of ships of those types, FLIR pictures. I painted the models in shades of gray to match the flir images.  We had the company photographer photograph the models and provide us positive transparencies that were then back illuminated, as targets for the TV camera.  Worked fine.  Don't remember what happened to the models once we had the transparencies. I remember seeing them stored in the lab for awhile but then they gradually disappeared.

The reason we did the models rather than use the flir imagery itself was that these were early flirs, not very high resolution, and we wanted to test tracking in the end game, close to ships. The ship models were very detailed.  Okay, we might not have had the heat signatures perfect, but we made some guesses at how the images would look at higher res, based on the photos we had.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

  • Member since
    February 2011
  • From: Ontario, Canada
Posted by gunner_chris on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 8:57 AM
They weren't my models, but we've used models with dioramas to help teach gun pit and mortar pit building. Recent constraints on training areas and rules for real time digging have limited resources so this is sometimes the next best thing.

  • Member since
    January 2011
  • From: Commonwealth of Virginia
Posted by Tal Afar Dave on Monday, October 17, 2011 9:41 AM

Wow, it's kinda funny how you keep running into your online buddies in the same posts, talking about the same things!!  As a lifelong armor builder and Soldier, I never thought that my model skills would be of any use to anyone other than me.

As an anti-tank platoon leader, I saw that our ability to ID tanks was pretty bad.  Every Soldier was pretty proficient at IDing tanks with the GTA card deck; three views, all line drawings.  After a few sessions, you could memorize the deck and move onto the next gunnery skills test.

I went to the local TASC and pulled out a box of the 1/35th scale of ID models and found that they were useful, but only up to a certain point.  Like some of you guys, we set up a scaled distance range and used these TASC kits augmented with my armor kits to make tank ID more of a challenge.  Our Dragon and TOW gunners ate the training up and improved their skills.  After the ID became more proficient, we'd set up 'shoot/don't shoot' scenarios, placing the models in hull down positions, moving to cover at X speed, etc.  Like you guys, it was a proud moment when my model building combined with my real world job to improve training.

Thanks for sharing your stories, guys!

Dave 

2022 New Year's Resolution:  Enter 1 group build and COMPLETE a build this year!!  Why Photobucket did you rob me of my one Group Build Badge???  Must be part of the strong anti-Monogram cartel!!!

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    June 2008
  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:46 PM

When I was assigned to a couple units in the military, I used to use my modern armor builds to teach classes on vehicle ID. It was also a great way to give a practical application exam by giving the soldiers in the class a set of binoculars, have the models placed on the ground a distance that would represent a realistic tactical scale equivelant and have them attempt to identify the vehicles.

Ditto... Battle-Focused Training... I built many an AFV kit for that purpose...  Even took it to the level that would force the Soldiers to ID the country that was using a particular AFV, rather than just "Friendly" or "Threat", since at the time, we had some "Friendly" countries that used "Threat" armored vehicles, as one Egyptian Armor Major pointed out to me once, after he'd watched several Soldiers ID the T-62 as a "Threat" vehicle...

Add to it that you just don't see the AFVs in silhouette, so you needed to be able to ID a tank or PC when it was in hull-defilade, moving towards or away from you, at an oblique angle, etc... Soldiers that had memorized the entire deck of Armored Vehicle ID Cards didn't fare nearly as well the first couple times through the Battle-Focused version I'd devised...    (Oddly enough, even I didn't get a 100% first-time GO, on my own course, once my assistants had moved them around) 

 

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  • From: Fort Knox
Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, September 24, 2011 2:22 PM

I still have gobs of Micro armor; literally hundreds of US and Warsaw Pact armor and support vehicles. We used them on those huge terrain boards at Fort Knox and the ones we had in Germany. It was helpful moving the little metal tanks over the terrain to illustrate where we needed to go and how best to get there.

The Armor School used them extensively to train tankers and cavalrymen in tactics.

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    July 2004
  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, September 24, 2011 1:23 PM

When I was assigned to a couple units in the military, I used to use my modern armor builds to teach classes on vehicle ID. It was also a great way to give a practical application exam by giving the soldiers in the class a set of binoculars, have the models placed on the ground a distance that would represent a realistic tactical scale equivelant and have them attempt to identify the vehicles. It was very effective when coupled with radio message training. Ages ago, when I went thru the Expert Infantry Badge course the testers at the Vehicle Identification and Call For Fire tasks used Micro Armor models (those tiny things for anyone not familiar with those) during the test at those stations.

 

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  • From: Fort Knox
Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, September 24, 2011 1:12 PM

In my line of work, models have always played a part. Fort Knox created all sorts of vehicle ID models and cast them in resin and put into sets that were distributed to units in the field. While crude by any standard, before the collaspe of Soviet Russia, it was all we had to identify enemy and other friendly nation's armor.

At my workplace, there are several models I built still on display. Most of my co-workers would ask if  I would build them a model of a vehicle they may have served on. I've built M60A3TTS, M1IP, M1A1, M1A2, M113A2 and various Bradleys for friends to display on their desks.

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    November 2008
  • From: Biding my time, watching your lines.
Posted by PaintsWithBrush on Saturday, September 24, 2011 8:57 AM

Models have been used in this manner for far longer than they have been for our purpose. It has always been an effective way to convey an idea for whatever project someone had in mind.

A 100% rider on a 70% bike will always defeat a 70% rider on a 100% bike. (Kenny Roberts)

  • Member since
    August 2008
Models in the workplace
Posted by tankerbuilder on Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:14 PM

This article about the pump model made me think. Some years ago I was working as a structural steel designer and I had to also fill in spare time doing isometric plumbing drawings . I got the shock of my life when the chief electrical designer/engineer asked if I would build a model for his job .(seems no one knew how and he knew I built models.) Well this model turned out to be five stories and ALL the windows had to be correct .It was called a natural light study model. This enables the designers to place lighting in the best places to balance between natural and mechanical light. After that I was given a new cubicle (four times as big as my old one .) and did the models for four departments .(I got paid more too ! ) When I see these models produced by computer ,frankly I find it scarey. There was an article on that, I believe, about two or three years ago.The fellow writing the article got to play with it and made a beautiful little two wheeled compressor ,tank , and mobile rack . I often wish I could afford a computer technology course and the equipment I would like to have for my shipbuilding for client models .It would be somuch faster to make the multiples that way. When my wife was going to school in ATLANTA I worked for a firm called ERIC WILLADSON scale models .They did golf courses , freeway interchanges and such .Turns out I had applied for a position and he got a commission for a modelat the same time , to be used in court.This thing had to do exactly (well as closely as possible ) the same thing to the operator (BARBIE,S boyfriend KEN .) that happened to the live operator .Then it had to show what would happen without the safeguards in place .Have you ever done a scale log that would repeatedly do exactly the same thing time after time . It took seven radio channels to get it to work .Even the lift jaws had to open and close in unison with the controls . So you see there is a place in the world for models besides the IPMS contests .I have done eleven such models and I really don,t wish to do any more . You can bet  that deadlines are a real fact of life ! I was much happier designing and building boats for a fiberglas boat mfgr . Those little scudders had to be right on the money though ! I picked up a lot of new skills in modeling by doing that . Now I build for strictly my pleasure . And am amazed at the new ship moldings they keep coming up with . The model of the U.S.S. INDEPENDENCE is a good example . Hey , I am running of at the brain . You keep those handsome ,dirty armor , aircraft and ships coming , figures too  !!           tankerbuilder 

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