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Posted by the Baron on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 12:00 PM

Rob Gronovius

 bondoman:

I bought it on eBay for $ 20.00 and it had a .99 cent price tag....

I opened it and there was a resin AM set of tires...

It smelled like cigarettes...

There was a phone number penciled on the instructions...

The props were a different color, from a B-24...

What happened here ?

 

In my club, when we do the annual fundraising auction, we call kits like that as "spanked". Basically anything that looks like something was done to it, potentially incomplete, got some unidentified extras, etc.

In our club, that's simply, a "raffle kit".   When the numbers are called, and you have the winning ticket, and you open the box and see no instructions or decals--"Raffle kit!"

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, October 14, 2011 8:22 PM

bondoman

I bought it on eBay for $ 20.00 and it had a .99 cent price tag....

I opened it and there was a resin AM set of tires...

It smelled like cigarettes...

There was a phone number penciled on the instructions...

The props were a different color, from a B-24...

What happened here ?

In my club, when we do the annual fundraising auction, we call kits like that as "spanked". Basically anything that looks like something was done to it, potentially incomplete, got some unidentified extras, etc.

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, October 14, 2011 6:55 PM

I bought it on eBay for $ 20.00 and it had a .99 cent price tag....

I opened it and there was a resin AM set of tires...

It smelled like cigarettes...

There was a phone number penciled on the instructions...

The props were a different color, from a B-24...

What happened here ?

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:09 PM

I agree too, Rob.. The kit's history is a model idea! I know, I know.. Groaner...

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Posted by the Baron on Thursday, October 6, 2011 12:07 PM

Rob Gronovius

...I also think that with some of our older kits, a history of that plastic kit is interesting too. Just the other day, someone called me out on an old Italeri kit. I mentioned it was also reboxed by Zvezda. He tried to correct me by telling me it was a Zvezda kit originally (which it wasn't)...

That's a very good point, too, Rob!  I'm a big fan of knowing the kit's history, as well as the subject.

I'm working on compiling a list of ProModeler kits now, since Graham's book on Monogram ends just before the line was developed.  I like knowing which kits were new designs, which were developed from existing kits (both Monogram and Revell), and which were acquired from other model companies.

But again, it's a fine line between being a build blog, or being an article on the history of the kit or its subject.

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Wednesday, October 5, 2011 3:41 PM

It is interesting to see the history of the subject being model.

I also think that with some of our older kits, a history of that plastic kit is interesting too. Just the other day, someone called me out on an old Italeri kit. I mentioned it was also reboxed by Zvezda. He tried to correct me by telling me it was a Zvezda kit originally (which it wasn't).

Some of our model kits have passed through many manufacturers' hands before the hit the pages of next month's Squadron flyer.

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Posted by KINGTHAD on Wednesday, October 5, 2011 1:54 PM

I like the idea but im not sure where it belongs.

Thad

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Posted by bbrowniii on Wednesday, October 5, 2011 12:57 PM

Bish

You already know my views, but i will add them here as well. I definitely like the idea of adding history to a build. The sort of thing you have done here, added to pics of a completed build, will definitely add meat to the bones. But i think this is best done on an individual bases rather than in its own forum. That way, aircraft stuff stays in the aircraft forum, armour in armour, etc. If you have a separate forum, you either get double posts, or builds being posted in the separate forum that will get over looked.

I agree with Bish. I think this definately adds something to the build of a particular subject, but in its own sub-forum, I think it would get passed over more often than not.

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, October 4, 2011 4:10 PM

You already know my views, but i will add them here as well. I definitely like the idea of adding history to a build. The sort of thing you have done here, added to pics of a completed build, will definitely add meat to the bones. But i think this is best done on an individual bases rather than in its own forum. That way, aircraft stuff stays in the aircraft forum, armour in armour, etc. If you have a separate forum, you either get double posts, or builds being posted in the separate forum that will get over looked.

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, October 4, 2011 4:01 PM

Build related for sure.

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Posted by Reasoned on Tuesday, October 4, 2011 12:07 PM

First off, fantastic history lesson Hans.  I really enjoy learning about the men, not just the machines.  I'm just not sure about a seperate section for this but it would be a shame to have such worthwhile nuggets of history buried in a thread.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, October 4, 2011 12:03 PM

To be honest, I picked Preddy's aircraft to write about, as it's the subject of an up-coming diorama, and Preddy had also flown five other fighters in combat in his USAAF career, three P-51s, a P-47D, and a P-40E... All but the the P-40 were named, in one form or another, "Cripes A'Mighty... ("Tarheel" was the name of his P-40E)

 

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Posted by RESlusher on Tuesday, October 4, 2011 11:55 AM

Hans von Hammer
So... Whatta y'all think? Is it interesting enough for a "Historical Background of a Model"? Is it workable as a stand-alone, or better-suited to the build's particular thread rather than going into a separate sub-forum for the background on a certain version of a model?

 

I like it.  I do think that the backstory is really interesting.  I could go for it being a sub-forum.  Maybe call it "History You Can Model" like the column in FSM?  That's assuming that enough other folks are able and willing to post similar write-ups on their works. 

Ya done good, kid!  Yes

 

Richard S.

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On deck:  Tamiya Marder 1A2

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Posted by the Baron on Tuesday, October 4, 2011 11:51 AM

It's tough to say, Don Hammerino, that's why I didn't post over in the other thread, couldn't make up my mind.

I think that folks who are interested in the subject can enjoy seeing the subject's background, especially if it's a subject that they may not be too familiar with (like the exploits of the 6th NFS flying P-70's), but for other subjects, many might find the info repetitious, or superfluous, when included in a post presenting a finished model, maybe not so much in one post in a build blog.

I like to include some background, too, in my posts; I've done that particularly with my toy soldier posts.  Since 18h century uniforms look alike from one regiment to the next and even from one country to the next, I included a little bit of history for many of the subjects.

I'd have to say that ultimately, I'm in the post to see the model first.  If there's good historical info, it's a bonus, but researching the subject isn't the reason I've come in to have a look.

On the other hand, "Drauf los!" just print it and f 'em if they don't like it, they don't have to look, do they?

Best regards,

Brad

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Model's Historical Background Test Run
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, October 4, 2011 11:35 AM

In regards to my other  thread on the history of a particular model subject, I'm re-posting one I wrote in the Diorama hooch, in order to gauge both response to the subject-matter and the scope in which it would relate to a particular model and/or diorama..

Ahem...

 

The Last Flight of Major George Preddy and "Cripes A'Mighty", P-51D-NA 44-14906.

25 DEC 44.

The 328th FS of the 352nd FG arrived at Airfield "Y-29" in Aache, Belgium just two days before, on 23 DEC 44 and immediately began flight ops, which generally consisted of "Rhubarbs" and "Rodeos", i.e. Ground Attack and Interdiction missions by this time of the war, due to steadily decreasing numbers of Luftwaffe aircraft in the air...  The 352 FG (8th AF) had been temporarily attached to the 9th AF, along with the 366th and 361st FGs...

Shortly before the end of the afternoon patrol that Christmas Day, Ditto White Leader,  with wingman Ditto White Two, was vectored to a position SW of Colblenz, where bandits had been spotted at barely a thousand feet AGL by US ground units...  Given the "Buster" call from the GCI controller, a pair of Bf 109s were soon sighted, and Ditto White Leader picked one out.  He made several turns with it at low altitude, and was closing with it when another 109 cut in between him and his first target. 

He gave the second 109 a quick burst, "hip-shooting" (without the sight), and observed "a lot of hits" from his six .50 cals... The canopy came off, and the German pilot hit the silk.  Ditto White Lead immediately swung his P-51's blue nose back onto the first 109 and his K-14 gunsight was on it, almost as if it was tied to the hapless German...  The two Germans didn't even know that they'd just been up against the ranking US Army Air Force Ace in the ETO, Major George E. "Ratsy" Preddy... They lived to tell about it though, and would happily able to "eat another sauerkraut sammich" someday...

Receiving a new vector, Preddy and his wingman, Lt James G. Cartee, changed course toward Liege, where bandits were reported to be strafing American troops. Now flashing 1500 feet AGL SE of Liege, a lone FW 190 was sighted by the pair  at tree-top level. Preddy told Cartee, "Cover Me.", as he dropped even lower after the now-fleeing Focke-Wulf...

On the ground, snow was piled up among the trees of the Hurtgen Forrest and in the Area of Operations where Germany, Belgium, and Holland come together near Aachen, and the whole landscape was cold, bleak and forbidding ...  The 12th AA Group (SP) had moved South through it shortly after the beginning of the Battle of Bulge, with their mission being the Anti-Aircraft Defense of XIX Corps AO. 

The Group's main AA-batteries were 40mm Bofors cannons, but their most effective weapon against low-level attacks were the quadruple fifty-caliber Browning HBs on the M16 AA Half-track.  The guns, mounted in an electrically-powered turret with a 60-degrees-per-second traverse speed and high volume-of-fire were devastatingly effective against "tree-top level" strafing attacks, and, when used as fire-support for Infantry attacks, could eat a wall whole... (The 12th was officially creditied with 291 enemy aircraft kills in WW2...)

The individual batteries were equipped with an open-loop fire-control network (both radio and telephone), known as a "Hot Loop" and that gave the guns needed early-warning speed against the fast-moving low-level aircraft. Radios and telephones were on external speakers to allow everyone to listen...  When dealing with low-flying fighter-types, the gunners generally had about ten seconds to identify an aircraft as threat or friendly, then track, engage, and destroy an enemy aircraft... They were generally out of range of the fifties after that period of time. 

Anyway, friendly aircraft had been flying overhead all Christmas Morning, always at higher altitudes and usually they were blocked out by the overcast.... The Gunners tried mostly to just keep warm in the December wind as they manned the guns and radios...  The radios were crackling from time to time with reports from rather bored observers who spotted approaching aircraft, which were quickly ID'd and assed as Friendlies, but then suddenly the "FLASH! FLASH! FLASH! " Warning Order came through the net... That alerted all the gun-batteries in the area to the fact that hostiles were positively identified, and inbound.  The message that followed the WARNORD came through loud and clear:  "Two '109s aproaching from the South-East at low altitude and strafing...". 

This was, in fact,  the direction of the German lines from the gun-batteries and all AA guns swung to point that direction...  Seconds later, two fighter aircraft entered the area from the SE, flying just over the tops of the trees... There was the sound of machinegun-fire...

Now, the gunner, probably all of  18 or 19 years old,  only had an instant to react as the aircraft suddenly appeared over the trees surrounding the the field in which his M16 was located.  They were flying directly towards him and in his eyes, were the enemy fighters reported.  He traversed his guns slightly and briefly touched the triggers.  The "quad-fifty" had a combined rate-of -fire of about 3000 rounds per minute, and only about 60 rounds went downrange before he was able to check-fire, but the dice had been thrown... The aircraft sweeping overhead were friendly...  

Lt Cartee was also taking hits from the groundfire and immediately yelled for Preddy to break, but the damge was done... "Cripes A' Mighty" had already run slap-into the stream of fire.  Preddy popped his canopy and and nosed down, bellying-in in the same field as the AA Track.  Cartee made a wide circle around the crash-site and flew over it several times before RTB-ing, alone, back to Asche...

The AA Gun-crew ran to the P-51, which had made a "good landing" on its belly and didn't burn.  In the opinions of the GIs at the crash-site, Preddy could have likely survived the crash, but as he had been hit by two of the fifty-cal rounds he was already dead in the cockpit... I personally believe that he was hit by pieces of the rounds, as the fifty caliber round is pretty devasting and doesn't just wound you, except fatally..

That ended the career of the USAAF's leading ETO Ace. The Group credited him with 27.83 air-to-air and five ground-kills (the 8th AF gave kill-credit for enemy aircraft destroyed on the ground, a practice unique to them, and later stopped)...

The US Air Force Fighter Victory Credits Board, in 1956 and 1957, adjusted his final score to 25.83 and further determined that ground-kills would not be included in determining total victories of any WW2 victory claims from the 8th AF...

During his 17-month tour in the ETO, Major Preddy was once asked by a reporter if he feared death, he replied in a letter that, "Although my aircraft might be shot down, I will not fall, because I have wings... Wings made not of wood or steel, but of a firmer kind, wings that God has given to me."...

Major Preddy  was just 24 years old when he was shot down...

 

So... Whatta y'all think? Is it interesting enough for a "Historical Background of a Model"? Is it workable as a stand-alone, or better-suited to the build's particular thread rather than going into a separate sub-forum for the background on a certain version of a model?

 

 

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