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I suppose they consider Helo's a sub-catagory or forum all it's own. I mean props and jets vs rotors. They seem quite different, even though they both fly.

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Even 'aircraft" recently split up. It's such a big forum that items can go "page 2" in hours, compared to say ships where an item can sit at the top of the list for days.

You're lucky to be separated, wing slinger, because otherwise you'd be digging through a "mess" o'"spit"s all day.

Take it as a matter of pride.

I've been a member on a site where there was a fit because military trucks (jeeps, cargo trucks, fuelers, softskins, trailers, etc.) were lumped together with armor.

There is probably a website where members complain that all forms of aircraft are lumped together instead of being broken down into props, jets and rotary wings. There are probably folks who will complain that jets aren't broken down between commercial and military.

The main armor site I visit breaks down forums between WW2 Allied, WW2 Axis, WW1 and Modern. Folks on that site often complain that "Modern" covers nearly 70 years and want "modern" further broken down into Korean War, Vietnam War, Cold War and post-Desert Storm.

It goes to show you that you cannot please everyone.

I understand, I'm just observing that at every forum I've ever been a part of, there are people not satisfied with how it's divided. Even in the old rec.scale.models USENET newsgroup, there was routinely a "split the newsgroup" into various genres thread.

Here's one going back to 1996: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.models.scale/browse_thread/thread/aaaf7245f9ad95b8/aaf4c2e12fe45336?lnk=gst&q=split#aaf4c2e12fe45336 

That's because in the mid 90s, the pool of modelers who were online was much smaller than it was today and the modeling destinations were very limited. Any "rocking of the boat" was frowned upon because they were the ones who created/made that community. Not liking the way their community ran was not liking them. More of a "don't like it here, don't come here" mentality.

That's why modeling forums began. Technology changed and made them more flexible. I remember the old RMS crowd complaining about these new fangled forums with the ability to have photos posted within the message. It was wrecking havoc with their dial up and taking up valuable time to download photos. Depending on the connection speed, probably 30 minutes a page.

With the old newgroups, all messages downloaded through an email program like Outlook and with the ability to set "kill files" (adding a person's address to this list omitted any message they originated from downloading to your email, basically an ignore list). You could download the messages and read them later at your leisure. Back then, most computers were online for only a few hours a day, if that. Most folks didn't have a dedicated phone line for the computer so being online meant you weren't getting any phone calls (pre-cellphone saturation days).

Frankly, I'm glad they are separate, since if I'm working on a Blackhawk, I'd hate to wade through 13 pages of Spitfires, Mustangs, and Messerschmitts before finding my thread again.. Same goes for the Civil Aviation forums getting split off the Aircraft Hooch... Don't care much about Airbuses, 737s, and the bug-smashers... When I fly commercial, it's irritating because the flight attendent up front is giving us all this pre-flight crap like we're about to embark on some "magical journey" through space... "Lady, it's a bus, you're a waitress, he's a driver, let's GO!"...

'Druther fly Space-A on a C-17 or 141... Strap seats, box lunch, and you can smoke..  Pre-flight Safety briefing? "Get in, sit down, strap in, don't touch nuthin', shut the F*** up"...

Hans von Hammer

Frankly, I'm glad they are separate, since if I'm working on a Blackhawk, I'd hate to wade through 13 pages of Spitfires, Mustangs, and Messerschmitts before finding my thread again.. Same goes for the Civil Aviation forums getting split off the Aircraft Hooch... Don't care much about Airbuses, 737s, and the bug-smashers... When I fly commercial, it's irritating because the flight attendent up front is giving us all this pre-flight crap like we're about to embark on some "magical journey" through space... "Lady, it's a bus, you're a waitress, he's a driver, let's GO!"...

'Druther fly Space-A on a C-17 or 141... Strap seats, box lunch, and you can smoke..  Pre-flight Safety briefing? "Get in, sit down, strap in, don't touch nuthin', shut the F*** up"...

Been a while huh Hans? LOL

Been a while huh Hans?

Sigh.... Yeah...  I miss it.. Especially the Herky-bird...

...'cause it takes a real pilot to fly fixed-wing aircraft...

Hans von Hammer

When I fly commercial, it's irritating because the flight attendent up front is giving us all this pre-flight crap like we're about to embark on some "magical journey" through space... "Lady, it's a bus, you're a waitress, he's a driver, let's GO!"...

LOL

sexist

Not really... I said "lady"...

Manstein's revenge

...'cause it takes a real pilot to fly fixed-wing aircraft...

My daughter's an attack pilot (AH-64)... She'd put a Hellfire through yer command track for that... 

Truth told, you could put a helo pilot in a starch-wing and he'd probably be able to solo it without or very little instruction... Can't say that about fixed-wing pilots in a helo...  Daughter always says it's like balancing on a beach-ball while riding a unicycle...

Hans von Hammer

Manstein's revenge:

...'cause it takes a real pilot to fly fixed-wing aircraft...

 

My daughter's an attack pilot (AH-64)... She'd put a Hellfire through yer command track for that... 

Truth told, you could put a helo pilot in a starch-wing and he'd probably be able to solo it without or very little instruction... Can't say that about fixed-wing pilots in a helo...  Daughter always says it's like balancing on a beach-ball while riding a unicycle...

 

Agreed Hans

Only airplane i can think of that would come close to flying a helo would be a Harrier .

Yeah, the Harrier would be a little hairy at times, especially in gusty winds... It's killed more US Marine Aviators than any other jet in the inventory...

Yeah, I get it...I'm just partial to fixed wing...soloed at 15 and got my ticket at 17...

...never heard of a chopper pilot making ace though...

Hans von Hammer

Manstein's revenge:

...'cause it takes a real pilot to fly fixed-wing aircraft...

 

My daughter's an attack pilot (AH-64)... She'd put a Hellfire through yer command track for that... 

Truth told, you could put a helo pilot in a starch-wing and he'd probably be able to solo it without or very little instruction... Can't say that about fixed-wing pilots in a helo...  Daughter always says it's like balancing on a beach-ball while riding a unicycle...

 Having flown both, rotory wing is harder to learn, but fixed can be less "forgiving". When I was in flight school (Army rotory wing) we had two Marines inthe class that had been through basic fixed wing training with the Navy.  They were able to "solo" only an hour or two ahead of most of the rest of the class. We also had two Jordanians who were fully jet qualified by U.S. Air Force training. they were better and soloed ahead of everyone. But in both cases, they could NOT have hovered the TH-55 without some dual time first! Guys, hovering those things just ain't natural!

Manstein's revenge

Yeah, I get it...I'm just partial to fixed wing...soloed at 15 and got my ticket at 17...

...never heard of a chopper pilot making ace though...

 Yeah, that ones still classified...

But then many say Rudel was the greatest pilot ever, and he wasn't an ace, he was a gunship guy, like me

GeneK

Hans von Hammer:

Manstein's revenge:

...'cause it takes a real pilot to fly fixed-wing aircraft...

 

My daughter's an attack pilot (AH-64)... She'd put a Hellfire through yer command track for that... 

Truth told, you could put a helo pilot in a starch-wing and he'd probably be able to solo it without or very little instruction... Can't say that about fixed-wing pilots in a helo...  Daughter always says it's like balancing on a beach-ball while riding a unicycle...

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 Having flown both, rotory wing is harder to learn, but fixed can be less "forgiving". When I was in flight school (Army rotory wing) we had two Marines inthe class that had been through basic fixed wing training with the Navy.  They were able to "solo" only an hour or two ahead of most of the rest of the class. We also had two Jordanians who were fully jet qualified by U.S. Air Force training. they were better and soloed ahead of everyone. But in both cases, they could NOT have hovered the TH-55 without some dual time first! Guys, hovering those things just ain't natural!

 

GeneK

Manstein's revenge:

Yeah, I get it...I'm just partial to fixed wing...soloed at 15 and got my ticket at 17...

...never heard of a chopper pilot making ace though...

 

 Yeah, that ones still classified...

But then many say Rudel was the greatest pilot ever, and he wasn't an ace, he was a gunship guy, like me

Manstein's revenge

GeneK:

Manstein's revenge:

Yeah, I get it...I'm just partial to fixed wing...soloed at 15 and got my ticket at 17...

...never heard of a chopper pilot making ace though...

 

 Yeah, that ones still classified...

But then many say Rudel was the greatest pilot ever, and he wasn't an ace, he was a gunship guy, like me

 

Actually he was an ace---I believe he downed 7 enemy a/c?  I'll check for exact number...

"Rudel flew 2,530 combat missions claiming a total of 2,000 targets destroyed; including 800 vehicles, 519 tanks, 150 artillery pieces, a destroyer, two cruisers, one Soviet battleship, 70 landing craft, 4 armored trains, several bridges and nine aircraft which he shot down.^[1]"

Manstein's revenge

When I was serving as an adjutant for the Kreigsmarine to the Japanese Navy I was present when an early form of the helicopter (autogyro) was being trialed for use on U-boats as observation patforms...pretty radical idea back in those days...basically the "wing" acts as both a lifting AND propulsion device...there were no dual-trainers for those things...saw a couple of new pilots drop like a stone from 100 meters into the ocean...

  That's because an "autogyro" is NOT a helicopter. They don't fly the same. The rotor of an autogyro does not provide any thrust (propulsion) and it can't hover, which is why they fall like that. Face it Manny, us chopper pilots are the greatest!

GeneK

Manstein's revenge:

When I was serving as an adjutant for the Kreigsmarine to the Japanese Navy I was present when an early form of the helicopter (autogyro) was being trialed for use on U-boats as observation patforms...pretty radical idea back in those days...basically the "wing" acts as both a lifting AND propulsion device...there were no dual-trainers for those things...saw a couple of new pilots drop like a stone from 100 meters into the ocean...

 

  That's because an "autogyro" is NOT a helicopter. They don't fly the same. The rotor of an autogyro does not provide any thrust (propulsion) and it can't hover, which is why they fall like that. Face it Manny, us chopper pilots are the greatest!

Hans von Hammer

Been a while huh Hans?

Sigh.... Yeah...  I miss it.. Especially the Herky-bird...

I have a built in squat switch that activates anytime I sit in a -130 and the engines start up...I am out in 3 minutes flat. LOL

Manstein's revenge

Well, I will state this...If I had one battalion of Apaches available to me on the Eastern front in 1943, I would have won the war with the Soviets...

Ja Manny, wenn Sie diejenigen Apaches im Jahre 1942 besessen hatte, würden wir alle noch heute Deutsch sprechen!

Manstein's revenge

Manstein's revenge:

GeneK:

Manstein's revenge:

Yeah, I get it...I'm just partial to fixed wing...soloed at 15 and got my ticket at 17...

...never heard of a chopper pilot making ace though...

 

 Yeah, that ones still classified...

But then many say Rudel was the greatest pilot ever, and he wasn't an ace, he was a gunship guy, like me

 

Actually he was an ace---I believe he downed 7 enemy a/c?  I'll check for exact number...

 

"Rudel flew 2,530 combat missions claiming a total of 2,000 targets destroyed; including 800 vehicles, 519 tanks, 150 artillery pieces, a destroyer, two cruisers, one Soviet battleship, 70 landing craft, 4 armored trains, several bridges and nine aircraft which he shot down.^[1]"

In a Stuka..... no less.

Manstein's revenge

Yeah, I get it...I'm just partial to fixed wing...soloed at 15 and got my ticket at 17...

...never heard of a chopper pilot making ace though...

Roger that... Unless you count AFV kills, lol...