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Vietnam Ideas?
Posted by AdrianUK on Friday, June 8, 2012 12:05 PM

I thought I would ask you guys for some ideas, my club is doing a group build with the subject been Vietnam, now this is outside my comfort zone of WW II aircraft so I was hoping to do a diorama ( again a first ) Now I had thought to do a Huey landing to pick up troops, but seems a few in the club are doing Hueys so now I want to do a subject that hopefully will be unique.

I must point out I'm not very good at figures but having just bought a whole lot to practice on, I hope to get better. As I say any input gladly recieved.

Couple of planes I thought about straight off were the F4's and the Skyraiders but working a diorama around these I'm stuck for ideas. Also thought of the river boats but getting hold of a kit seems an issues.

Thanks

Ade

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, June 8, 2012 12:29 PM

It is a wide open subject to model; anything from tanks, trucks, figures, boats, ships, jets, props, helicopters, missilery, artillery, etc.

I'd try something very simple since it is outside of your comfort zone but a subject that could later be tied into your main collection, either by subject or by scale. For instance, if you tend to build 1/72 scale planes, perhaps go for a 1/72 scale armor piece like the M113 or M24 Chaffee.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, June 8, 2012 7:59 PM

If ground-action is your game, and the plethora of helicopter dioramas rubs ya wrong (it would me, since "everyone is doing one"), keep in mind that, "combat is hours and hours of boredom, punctuated with a few minutes of sheer terror"...

That said, showing GIs living, eating, and sleeping in the field is always the best route, IMHO...  Some expamples might be:

The Marine 105mm howitzer section doing mantenence on the gun, "punchin' the tube", the assistant gunner tearing down and cleaning the breech-block with the Number 1 Cannoneer, while the Section Chief (Redleg-speak for a Squad-leader) is telling the rest of the crew what ammo he wants broken out and readied...

The Army M-48 crew that's "busted track" to change an inside roadwheel or torsion-bar back at the firebase (wouldn't happen while they're on the hunt), while the lazy Spec-4 from  the Company's Battalion Maintenence Section is sitting on a crate and while he watches (with the replacement parts), talks to the TC,  ("Uh, uh-Nope...  Bustin' track's a crew  task, Sarge"...)...

The Army M113/M113 ACAV that's getting refueled...  Fuel-dawgs are pumpin' gas either into the tank or into fuel-cans, as the driver does his fluid-levels, checks, and services and the TC loads water and/or C-rats into the back, etc...

The Army 5-ton or 2 1/2 ton Gun-truck that's getting ammo for the quad-fifites up-loaded for the next convoy escort while the truck's driver is getting a route-briefing and adding the checkpoints to his map.  The new Platoon Leader ( a brand-new, Cherry "TwoEl-tee" ( who's having to drive his own 1/4-ton today because his driver took an AK-round in the forehead a couple days before, as evidenced by the bullet-hole through the windshield and dried blood on the seat-cushion) is going it over with him on the 1/4-ton's hood..

A squad from 3rd Marines, one that's laggered-up near the DMZ..  They're cleaning weapons, eating chow, shootin' the breeze, and snoozing (only one guy is sleeping, though.. The squad hasn't been outside the wire long enough to sleep in the heat yet)  near a knocked-out Army M113 that the Army hasn't recovered yet, and which now boasts a field-expedient "lean-to" of snapped-together ponchos, a couple saplings, and some 550-chord or commo-wire,  for shade in the murderous heat...

The Navy PBR-crew that's performing it's "Sun-Conditioning" on the deck.. Sun-Conditioning is a necessary part of life in the Brown-water Navy, and is performed in a reclining postion, bare-chested,  with eyes closed, partially closed, or (most often), hidden behind sunglasses or boonie hats, while maintaining an "adult beverage" carefully balanced on the stomach. 

(Pardon me now,  if I get a bit maudlin... If ya just gotta do a helicopter)

The lone Crew-chief mopping the blood out of the back of his UH-1 "Dust Off" as it sits with the fuselage in a small creek, so that the blood will wash down-stream, and he doesn't leave a big puddle of red on the flight-line...

 

There're dozens and dozens of little things to model when you're depicting life in the bush, and while "Bang-bang-shoot-'em-ups" are visually "exciting", they don't really reflect what the overall "existance" is like for GIs in the field..  Your WW2 experience should still come in handy, since not much had changed between then and the Vietnam War... The tactics, weapons (well, most of the weapons), uniforms,equipment, aircraft ( again, most aircraft), and vehicles, did, sure...  But the GIs were the same, be it 1944 or 1967, and so's the field.. The only real difference is the numbers and types of "creature-comforts" available...

This photo could have been taken in Vietnam in '67 or Sicily in '43... All that needs to change to Veitnam is the GI's weapons, uniforms, and battle-rattle, and change the vehicle to an M113 and ya got it...  The helmets,canteen-cups and squad-stove haven't changed, not even the 45 holster ('cept it was black instead of brown by then)..

Look at some photos, and pay close attention to what is actually happening around the photo, rather than just look for uniform or equipment details.. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by mississippivol on Friday, June 8, 2012 9:01 PM

You know, a couple of aircraft you could do that would tie in with your WWII collection could be a C-47 modeled as an AC-47 gunship, or an A-26.

Glenn

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, June 8, 2012 10:18 PM

The only way I can think of an F-4 and an A-1 occupying the same piece of ground, would be on a carrier in 1965/66 when Skyraiders were still part of most carrier air wings in the Heavy Attack Squadrons. By 1967 the Intruder had pretty much replaced the Spad. A bit of research on your part could turn up such a configuration and some sort of flight deck scene. Recovery, launch, fueling/arming...

 

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Posted by TarnShip on Friday, June 8, 2012 11:31 PM

small point that is only important if someone actually tries to find naval aircraft

A-1 and A-6 were formed up in Medium Attack squadrons,,,,,,the Heavy attack had 3 very much larger aircraft in them, depending on the time period and the carrier,,,,,,,the A-2, A-3 and conventional A-5A,,,,,,if you want to model a "small aircraft" filling in as a VAH,,,,,,those were done by USMC A-4 units filling in a wing for a missing A-3 USN unit

there is one other place you can model a diorama with "aircraft that wouldn't be seen together",,,,do it as a ground dio at Da Nang, or even Chu Lai,,,,divert airfields picked up a mixture of aircraft that make some photos quite interesting at times

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Posted by Reserve on Saturday, June 9, 2012 12:25 AM

What about a 1/72 scale F-100 in a revetment? Many of these aircraft flew many missions in Vietnam. In this scale figures are not difficult to paint and accessories are countless. Throw in a fuel truck and or bomb cart and there you may have it.

Mark

 

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Posted by TarnShip on Saturday, June 9, 2012 12:38 AM

another aircraft option that stretches your WW II expertise just a small amount would be a T-28

I am a 1/72 guy,,,,,,,but, don't the 1/48 guys have a really nice T-28 model out there?

One other thought,,,,,,same basic size of aircraft,,,,,,,,,an A-37,,,maybe with some South Vietnamese loading it up with rocket pods, or an L-19 or O-1, again with SVAF getting in for a mission from a Jeep,,,,,or briefing over a map on the hood of the Jeep,,on a dirt/grass airstrip

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Posted by AdrianUK on Saturday, June 9, 2012 2:03 AM
Thanks for all the great ideas, I should point out that i usually build 1:48th scale aircraft. That in mind I seem to have caused a stir, I wasn't suggesting the two aircraft be shown together I just listed those two as they were the only couple I knew, appologies for that. Armor seems a good idea with a diorama built up, will do some digging and see what kits are available here in the UK.

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, June 9, 2012 8:01 AM

If you do some digging, you'll find a Verlinden 1/48 scale modern era M151 Jeep kit in resin. It's been around for a while and fits your chosen scale so it will look right compared to your displayed aircraft. Additionally, there are several WW2 Jeeps in 1/48 scale that you could display it next to as sort of a subset to your collection.

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Posted by paintsniffer on Monday, June 11, 2012 11:52 AM

Hans von Hammer

(Pardon me now,  if I get a bit maudlin... If ya just gotta do a helicopter)

The lone Crew-chief mopping the blood out of the back of his UH-1 "Dust Off" as it sits with the fuselage in a small creek, so that the blood will wash down-stream, and he doesn't leave a big puddle of red on the flight-line...

 

 

If I had the capabilities to pull that off well I would be all over that idea.

Excuse me.. Is that an Uzi?

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, June 12, 2012 2:41 AM

Contact me back-channel and I'll tell ya how to do it... I've got a UH-1 kit "on the bench" that's being done with that diorama-scenario in mind... (The idea came from something I read in the book, "CW2" by Layne Heath)  There're a few different ways to appoach it, with either resin or plaster and glossy paints...

But I'll be a long time yet finishing that one.. I've got the fuselage mocked-up, and the dio-base is built to hold it in place,  but not landscaped.. So I basically ust got the "water" and the Huey mated-up.. I'll gladly give ya "first dibs" if you commit... Wink

 

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Posted by Ninetalis on Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:36 AM

Lol, I amused myself a few weeks ago, randomly making this from a picture,

So if anybody is in need of a 'nam GB badge, just let me know, you could use this one.

With regards, Ninetalis.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, June 14, 2012 4:46 PM

willieandjoe

Mr. Hammer if you or Stikpusher host a GB about Vietnam I would be pleased to be a part of it.

First of all, thank you for your service, and the others as much so. Always a good idea to remind ourselves of what you give for us all.

My interests lie in the 1945- 1964 period. I have a subject I've always wanted to build that I would like to suggest.James McGovern Jr. aka "Earthquake Magoon" was a "larger than life" figure who flew with the 23rd fighter group and much later for the CIA.

He was shot down over Dien Bien Phu on 5/6/54 flying a howitzer in to the combat zone. He and his copilot perished at the Laotian border, although their Loadmaster was able to escape the aircraft.

The particulars are a C-119 with it's clamshell doors removed, and ghosted over French markings. The big R-4360's and the old airforce insignia red markings

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj521/willieandjoe/eqmg.jpg

Sound good? I hope so.

 

I'm not a Vietnam Veteran, if that impression was somehow given.. I didn't enlist until I turned 17, in 1976... I retired from the Army NationalGuard/US Army in Dec. 2005 after 29 & 1/2 years.. (Heh.. peolple used to ask me, "Were you in Vietnam?", I 'd reply, "No, I had Little League"..  But practically every officer and NCO I served with in the first part of my career was a Vietnam Veteran, and those Soldiers, especially those NCOs I had when I was a lazy Private, where absolutely some of the finest men I ever knew...

Dad was a Vietnam Vet as well as WW2 and Korea (1941-71), so me going into the US military was a no-brainer, same as my kids going was... Heck, my oldest is on the back-side of his career now (16 in), daughter's still climbing, but cleared the 10 year hurdle last Saturday...  Lotta OD in the genes, I reckon..

Anyway, I may host a Vietnam Group Build, but doubt that it'll be anytime soon.. I'm over-committed in the current ones I've signed on for, lol..  Or maybe..

Well..

There is the 50th anniversary of the Tonkin Gulf Incident in 2014, with the Marines' landing at Da Nang coming up in less'n three years....

It's Stik's turn to host one...

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, June 15, 2012 4:24 PM

Well, if we want to consider this the initial feeler for a Vietnam GB, then yes, I would love to run a Vietnam GB starting around Aug 04 to commemorate the 50th aniversary of Tonkin Gulf incident. My Korean War GB which is currently ongoing, ends next July to coincide with the 60th anniversary of the Cease Fire there and I will be all clear at that time. Seeing how it is a bit over two years from now before it would kick off, rules and regs are not even dreamed up right now.

Yes Stikpusher (aka stick pusher) is an paratrooper term which I chose as my online screen name on many sites due to that often being my position on jumps.Wink And yes I have lots of empathy for anything related to delivery from the sky by parachute of all nations. The Legion Paras in Indochina are an impressive bunch. The French equivelant of 1st Airborne at Arnhem.

I am like Hans in that the initial portion of my military career (1983-2007)  was also influenced heavily by Vietnam Vets. Again, like Hans said, some of the best soldiers that I ever knew. I learned the most from them. In Non Coms Senior Drill Sergeants, the occasional Staff Sergeant Squad leader, nearly all Platoon Sergeants and all First Sergeants and  above, and all officers above the rank of Major were Vietnam Vets for my formative years.

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, June 15, 2012 4:30 PM

Yeah, I'd definately wanna participate in that one, Stikker... Probably a good idea to do a feeler, and that'll keep someone else from stealin' yer thunder, lol.. (That's why I did that "70th Anniversary of D-Day" post for 2014.. Kinda "reserving the space", lol)

 

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, June 15, 2012 4:33 PM

OK, sounds good. BTW, I do want to partake in your D-Day GBWink So many good choices in my stash.Confused

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, June 15, 2012 4:45 PM

Remind me to look it up next June, lol..  I already forgot that it starts next year, on 6 June 13, not June '14...  Be a helluva deal, being a year late on m' own damn GB..

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, June 15, 2012 4:51 PM

Hans von Hammer

Remind me to look it up next June, lol..  I already forgot that it starts next year, on 6 June 13, not June '14...  Be a helluva deal, being a year late on m' own damn GB..

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by F-100 John on Wednesday, March 27, 2013 6:39 PM

Do something different for a Viet Nam War model scene & do a battle damaged A-1 or any other prop acft. on a foam covered runway w/ parts of the acft. missing (wing tips, half of stab or tail missing) and/or engine cowl covered in oil. Put acft. mechanics/ firemen around the damaged acft. I even did a shot up Hueyin several pieces on the jungle floor. BOTTOMLINE---be different!!!

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