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"Close" counts in horeshoes, hand grenades and scale modeling!

never mind,,,,,not worth the hassle,

go forth and "let no model be left behind"

fermis

"Close" counts in horeshoes, hand grenades and scale modeling!

Here's the problem. Like as you might, paints are not made up from some universal and perfect supply of RGB or YGB or magenta cyan yellow or pantone colors or whatever. They are alchemic creations based on strange pigments that the in house scientists have found to work.

Likewise white isn't really white, and black is NEVER black.

So when you mix them, experience will tell you, they go off into strange and wonderful reactions, usually based on a shade of dark green. Or vomit. But they are very hard to control and bear no relation to the chroma wheel.

About the best you can do is tag along on forum dicsussions where folks ll say "4 parts tamiya orange to 1 part model master yellow".

Model paints are the worst of the lot because they are marketed to people who never would mix them up.

Artist paints on the other hand work well. Try mixing acrylics in the tube if making your own colors strikes your fancy.

PROFF. I am not angry.I just get a little sore watching a kid who has worked alone on his contest model(first one).Someone tells him he didn,t even place because his colors were wrong.?

How many folks can tell the difference in shades and of course the various values within a shade?New modelers and contest entrants are trying their best.Let them have the benefit of the doubt.NOW the old contest dawg,who should know better,hasn,t anyone told him it,s a hobby ,not a job ?

I get where your coming from. I've seen it worst at IPMS events where two guys were almost in fisticuffs over OD green on a M4. Both were in their 30's or 40's talking about how they 'just knew" the color was wrong. My friend at our vendor booth hit the nail on the head when he said "how do you know?" Then proceeded to bring up how you needed to account for length of time in service, battle damage, weather, humidity, rain, heat etc all of which will fade or otherwise alter the color therefore making it IMPOSSIBLE to truly pin a "correct" color. My opinion as well as his was unless you can show proof that you are a veteran that served on that vehicle at that battle you have no right to tell me my color is wrong. I paint my armor and shade it to look right in scale. If someone can't deal with the fact that I didn't add a drop of yellow because they read in a book somewhere they mixed OD green with dog pee so what. IMHO no offense but there's some builders out there that need to get over themselves and have more fun.

So this rant is about something that happened at a model contest? I get that, judges shouldn't get all hung up on color shades, but the online color debates are dead and gone by now...(for the most part), and I think modellers have learned to respect each other in that regard now...(cept for VVS colors against Erik Pilawski and all russian modelers).

never mind,,,,,not worth the hassle,

go forth and "let no model be left behind"

Accordig to the IPMS handbook, color is a minor factor in contest. And only gross inaccruracy get penatlies:

Qoute"7.Colors. Paint colors, even from the same manufacturer and mixed to the same specs, can vary from batch to batch. Different operating environments can change colors in different ways. All paints fade from the effects of weather and sunlight, and viewing distance alone can change the look of virtually any color. Poor initial application and subsequent maintenance compound these problems. Therefore, aside from gross inaccuracies such as a light green "Red Arrows" aircraft, color shades should not be used to determine a model's accuracy or lack thereof. Again, models with unusual colors should be supported by confirming documentation."

Source:

www.ipmsusa.org/.../CH_index.html

The whole "true color/scale color/accuracy" debate really is for nitpickers only.

Pfft. as long as your not painting a tank bright orange and trying to pass it off as one that landed on d-day i dont give a rats a$%. i have 3 tvs 4 computers 3 phones and 2 tablets in the house and "olive drab" looks different on each one. i look out my window on a sunny day and all the cars look bright and cheerful, on a rainy day they all look like muddy cr£p. I have painted gearboxes for challengers warriors some other tank thingy and naval radars, the paint is usually pretty consistant betweeen batches but there can be a slight difference between batches, but the final shade mostly depends on how thick you put the paint on and whether anybody bothered to clean the gun out properly. never had one back cos someone didnt like the colour.and them some squaddie tips oil and  grease all over it and has the cheek to drive it through the damn mud!!  The green ones look totally different when they come back for servicing depending on the life they led when in service. its nice to get it right, you know like all the reference photos you see, (depending on what screen you look at them on) pick a colour you like (within reason and the vehicle probably looked just like it at some time in its life.

A bright orange tank....it could happen...it did happen!

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8136/leopard2a6002ew2.jpg

This is a Dutch Leopard 2 painted in the national color, orange, to support the national football team at Euro 2008. Unfortunatly, we did not make the finals. And even more unfortunate because of budget cuts the dutch army has to sell all of its tanks.

never mind,,,,,not worth the hassle,

go forth and "let no model be left behind"

wow! they had those on D-Day?

They sold them ALL! know where i can pick one up cheap?

those Leopards are really nice looking tanks (no i'm not buying one...promise... Ooerr, oh god no not another stash candidate  damn you Borg)

talentless

 i have 3 tvs 4 computers 3 phones and 2 tablets in the house and "olive drab" looks different on each one.

Yea same here, I get a color mixed up that suits me, then I post a picture on the forum and it invariably looks 2 or 3 shades off what I see on the work bench.  

I can get frustrated mixing paint and trying to get the color I have in mind, but then it sure feels good when I hit it.

fermis

"Close" counts in horeshoes, hand grenades and scale modeling!