WAR!.... good or bad?

Just a friendly reminder before this topic gets going -- I would like to remind everyone to please be respectful of each other's opinions, heritage, nationality and religion (I think that covers it ).

I have seen discussions regarding current events on many other boards degrade rather quickly and get out of hand. I realize this is on everyone's minds and many of us have very strong feelings regarding current events. Before you post about current events, please take time to review what you are posting. After all, this is a modeling site - not a political site.

Thanks to all of you, this community has continued to grow quickly while maintaining a mature, friendly and helpful atmosphere. Let us all work together to keep it that way.

Yeah, we all have an opinion, friends or family somehow involved, but let's not talk about this here, at least until the kits with specific 'war of 2003' decals become available!

YEAH! - Then we can gripe about the inaccuracies of those decals!!!!

Wow. I did not realize how touchy this subject would be. The hobby likly would not be what it is today without desert storm in my opinion.I am just wondering what the future holds for us modelers? will current situations create the same windfall that happened during desert storm?I do not care about politics.only models.

Model companies will jump at any occasions to revamp, re-market a kit. One can not blame them. And there will be a demand for that sort of stuff anyway. Images on the news of Tomcats, Hornets and Tornados will impress many, possibly many youngsters, who will maybe want to have a model of what they saw.

Oh, yeah... I thought Desert Storm was the first war to be mass-merchandised in that way... trading cards, kits, etc... I even have a Saddam Hussein voodoo doll from those days! (I won't tell you where it is right now!!!)

All I know is that when my 4 year old saw a B-1 Bomber on the news last night, he said " Daddy that the plane you have!!!!!!"

What does this mean???? But i does have a certain alure to have a replica of something you see on TV!!

And i do agree, this is a modelling forum!!! There are TONS of forums for War talk through out the web.....


Thanks and God Bless


Ron

Hello,
maybe, than we will get some kits of german cowards protesting against american airbases and some german police and americaan MP wipeing them out.

( I am from Germany , Active Reserve and i am not a coward like most of the Germans.

Thomas

If you want to discuss the war, goto www.mektek.net There's plenty of war/political discussion there! Quick notification of my stance on it?
Pro-war, pro-peace. Get rid of Saddam without fuss or muss!
Deo Vindice Fidelis!(God [shall] vindicate [the] faithful, it's a play on the Southern Motto, Deo Vindice, which means "God will Vindicate")

War is never good. I remember how I felt on January 30 th 1968 when our base came under rocket and morter attack in Viet Nam. For the next two months we had to go through this type of hell. Now I have two sons deployed to a potential war zone. I now know how my father felt and what he went through. The model industry will survive, modeling past conflicts and we don't need another.

On the other hand, if it does come to war, I will support our nation and will be very proud of my sons.

I didnt wnted to start this sort of discussions, i meant maybe we would get some kits of demonstrants for a diorama -

Read Berny's words and then read them again.

Conflict is, unfortunately, sometimes neccessary but never desirable. Not to any rational person, anyway. Another sad fact is that our interests in modeling (military modelers, anyway) are fueled by conflict.

I think that the politics of war have no real place here, but the mechanics of war do. After all, it's what's out on the battlefield that we model, yes? I have my opinions on the current situation but choose to keep them to myself, partly because I know that I don't have all the facts, so to speak (None of us do), and mostly because I don't want to contribute to this forum's transformation into another Hyperscale. I like that forum too, but "dey's a diffrn't breed over der!"

Lets talk models. The machines and some of the mechanics of war as well, but not the politics of war.

Fade to Black...

Well, all I can say is that war, like so many aspects of humanity can not be seen correctly without a full account of the history behind it.

War, for whatever reasons it comes to be, is without a doubt, the darkest of behaviors in the human condition that the law somehow permits.

War has been going on ever since humanity created organized civilizations and ideas (often misconcieved) about their neighbors.

The one constant about war, in the full context of its history, is its sole common denominator: human blood. We all bleed the same color regardless of cultural, religious or ideological differences. The sad reality is that vast tracks of human history are written in our own blood. It would have been great if we could have come into the new millenium without war following us there. Seems that was not meant to be.

Blood is blood, once its spilled it is of no consequence who it came from, man woman or child, military or civilian, religious affiliation... its all the same stuff. Death plays no favorites and will take the innocent just as easily as the guilty.

I don't like the idea of so much of humanity's history being written (so often voluntarily) in our own blood. It does set an ill precedent for what we expect of ourselves and if we do indeed have any obligation to the future, we must wonder what children of the future will say about our time when they look into their school history texts and see that we wrote some of our own history in our blood.

When I'm gone, I don't want children of the future thinking we were all club weilding Neanderthals, I'd like our time to be remembered as something better and a decent example for the future to follow and look back on.

Now, back to models.

I think you hit it on the head blackwolf. We are fans of the technology that is created by war not war itself.Its truly sad that we evolve like this.

QUOTE: Originally posted by blackwolfscd Lets talk models. The machines and some of the mechanics of war as well, but not the politics of war.

I agree, blackwolfscd, I think you summed it up best. Thank you.

Just to add my 10 cents worth. I am from New Zealand and am completely disgusted with our government's judgement, thinking (or lack of it) of America's move to making this world a more secure place. We should support the USA in any way we can, not betray them.
I would like to express my 100% concrete support towards the US lead campaign in Iraq, as I can see clearly through the mess in between, that we are heading for a safer world. And especially for the Iraqi's who will be able to enjoy the priviledges of normal life, not under the Dictatorship that they are currently trapped in.
Muslim's the world over will see, at the end of this, the benefits that it willhave on their own people in Iraq, and through the Middle East.
Anti-War protestors just do not seem to grasp the concept of what is going on here. They seem to think taht war means mass destruction of people and property, as in, world war 2, where hundreds of thousands of bombs were dropped in American strategic raids through Germany and Japan throughout 1944-45. This is not the case this time round, targets of military importance are being carefully picked out. Minimal civilian casualities are the name of this operation. To free Iraq, and get rid of this threat once and for all.

There are many other problems to be dealth with, Palestine and Israel, and less we forget, N.Korea, who's government deserves to be shot. I have absolutely no time for N.Korea leaders whatsoever. Nor do I have time for the French government.
All I can say, is full credit to the Australian government (our neighbours) to giving their full strength to the US. They are helping their friends, as we are not, because we think that we can get on on our own, single mindedly. Our country will suffer after this war, as we have betrayed the USA, our friends, due to our government's wreckless, arrogant selfminded behaviour.

I wish the Allied forces in Iraq all the very best of luck, and hope this conflict is over soon, so the poor people of Iraq can re-establish their lives, and we can all come together, to rid this threat together, terrorism, and restore the thing that somehow or another, despite our different views, peace.

Well said Spitfire Pilot....

Spitefire-pilot.I agree with you.However Iraq (or its government I should say) is only one of many governments in the world that is oppresive,balligerent,and dangerous.We all should keep in mind the"others" that may take advantage of the situation that we are in at this time.Things could unravil very quickly and get even more messy than they are now.I dont mean to sound fatalistic.I am just trying to be prepared for all possibilitys.Best case senario,the new iraqi government will be stable and not appier to be a puppet government to the islamic states in the world.The rest of the world will settle down and life will go on.Whatever happens I will support those who fight for the rights of those who cannot fight for themselves or are to afraid to. GO USA AND ALL OUR FRIENDS.................

Only two good things will come of this war - an oppressive government will be toppled, and there'll be a whole lot of kits re-issued. Unfortunately, more bad things than good will result.