Detailing - W/O the P.E. we've gotten used to.

Now ,

What about the outards ?

I know the innards on the G. Washington class pretty well, too.

Hey , Subfixer!

Are you kidding me ? I have a GEORGE WASHINGTON by Renwal . Wow ! the innards are bad enough  .Now you tell me there's a a lot of stuff on the outside ? Gees , whatta revoltin developement that is. What can really be seen on that class , on the outside ?

Youse guys is funny

subfixer

Why stop at that? Why not just go outside and chop down a tree and carve it into a model using a knife you knapped from some flint you found.

Hey, that's a great idea!  I could use that method to make a very nice model of a smaller tree!

As far as turned barrels, I think the newer casting technologies that some kit mfgs are using will reduce the need for turned barrels.  The last two ships I have built have barrels cast in one piece, no cementing halves, and they are ROUND!

On my Dreadnaught the detailing kit included both the 12 inch barrels and all the 5 inchers as turned brass. I did use all of the 12 inchers, though the kit ones were quite nice.  But I only used one of the five inchers (merely because I broke one of the plastic ones cutting it from the sprue.  To use the brass ones I would have needed to cut the barrels off of the breach area, and drill out with a tiny drill for the pin on the barrel.  Way too much work for the guns I didn't break!  I defy anyone to look at the finished model and tell which of the five inch guns is brass!

You would be surprised at all of the tiny details just on the outer hull of an old missile boat. And then you have the innards of the turtleback that can be seen through the gratings. The newer Ohio class boats, too.

Hey ,

That's nice because the only subs I know Anything about are now museums or scrap .That would be the great " Gato " Class diesel boats .Plus I have researched the U - Boot to death . Now , don't you think we should encourage those new to the hobby to try ' found ' parts Before investing all that money on P.E. ? Hey , how much P.E. does a polaris sub get anyway ? Tanker - Builder

I could beat you in ships only if the ship involved was a USN nuclear submarine. I have intimate knowledge of these things and could super detail one to death. But any other type of modeling subject I would certainly lose to you.

Aw , c'mon subfixer !

I was just making a point that when I was a young strippling these parts weren't readily available and we should learn to build a prizewinner without them If we can .This will  ,then attest to the skill of the builder and not the pretty parts he could've bought . You for instance . I bet what you model in reality could NOT be beaten by me if it's anything but ships . There , I could stand my own .I don't enter contests anymore , But , Like you I admire a job well done ,  aftermarket or not ,  where detailing is concerned .This is the point . If you can build a prizewinner and NOT use any aftermarket parts , this certainly shows your inventivness and skill , does it not ?

There are many contests that feature an Out-of-the Box category. If the kit did not come with PE or resin or whatever, you can't use it in the build. Only aftermarket usually allowed are decals.  Many clubs consider this a way to emphasize basic skills.  How often have you seen a contest entry with PE and resin details, but with seams not well filled or orange peel in paint? OOB categories help remind folks to continue to develop those basic skills.  There are also sometimes club competitions for builds of a given kit- say a cheap Lindberg kit, again, must be built OOB, which even puts more premium on those skills.

Why stop at that? Why not just go outside and chop down a tree and carve it into a model using a knife you knapped from some flint you found.