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Future Pledge and canopies - a question on use.

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Future Pledge and canopies - a question on use.
Posted by rookie 104 on Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:09 PM

I was told that you could dip your canopies in pledge and after it was dry paint the canopy frame over the pledge covering. That Pledge could take the paint.

Then I was reading an article in Fine Scale Modeller that showed the canopy frames being painted before the canopy was dipped in pledge.

What is the best way to go or does it matter?

Thanks in advance for the help.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:21 PM

I don't think it would really matter. Assuming you are giving the rest of the aircraft a gloss coat for decaling, the frame can just be given a flat coat at the same time as the rest.

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Posted by mississippivol on Wednesday, October 23, 2013 6:34 PM

I'm with Bish, it's fine before or after.

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Posted by Nathan T on Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:42 PM

Not sure why you need to dip the canopy in future?, unless it has some kind of defects. I think its just a modeling fad...

 

 

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Posted by rookie 104 on Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:01 PM

Thanks a lot guys. Also I heard it makes the canopy shinnier if it's dipped.

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Posted by Phil_H on Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:03 AM

If you primarily use acrylic paints, keep in mind that Pledge/Future may cause streaking/running if a pre-painted item is dipped.

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Posted by Viejo on Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:58 AM

I've got two clear sprues from a 1/48 B25.  I'll dip one, let it dry and then photograph the two together to see if folks can tell them apart.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:02 AM

I think dipping canopies is fine for a new, fresh-from-the-factory look. It does bother me, however, to see a well weathered model with a pristine glossy canopy.

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:36 AM

One reason to dip is to prevent CA from frosting the canopies.

Another is, if you slip with the brush while painting, you can often 'chip' the over-paint with a sharpened wooden cocktail-stick,  

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Posted by jimbot58 on Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:27 PM

Jon_a_its

One reason to dip is to prevent CA from frosting the canopies.

Another is, if you slip with the brush while painting, you can often 'chip' the over-paint with a sharpened wooden cocktail-stick,  

I agree with theCA. My current build has a lot of PE parts to add and this will be important. Also, I use Parafilm to mask my canopies and it makes the film a lot easier to remove after painting. Lastly, minor imperfections can be hidden.

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Posted by Viejo on Thursday, October 24, 2013 4:54 PM

One has been dipped, the other hasn't.

 

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Posted by rookie 104 on Thursday, October 24, 2013 5:53 PM

Thanks for the demo - They both look the same to me.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:27 PM

rookie 104

Thanks for the demo - They both look the same to me.

 
Future will make the clear part look more like real glass. Sometimes pictures don't capture the effects we want to show. It also depends on poor part quality, where Future will make the part look better.   I dip the clear parts first, then let them cure for a couple of days then mask and paint. If for some reason you goof or get debris on the part while wet, dip it in Windex which will dissolve the Future then try again.

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Posted by Viejo on Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:36 PM

They do look the same, due to my lack of proper equipment and location for macro photography.  The one on the left, in the parts that are supposed to be clear (as opposed to painted over) the "see through" capability is higher and sharper.

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Posted by robiwon on Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:00 AM

Here is a step by step tutorial I did on how to use Future or Pledge with Future Shine, on a clear plastic part. In the first pic you will see the materials needed to dip a part in Future. You will need the clear part, tweezers, a container to hold you Future, a paper towel, some sort of rack, and a box to put the part in to dry. Pictures are clickable.

First step is to hold the clear part with your tweezers. Here I am holding the window frame of the side window from my Fujimi Spinner kit. The Future will cover the section of frame after I set the part down as Future will level itself out. Even if it didn't, the frame will be painted anyway.

Lift the part out slowly. After dipping the part in Future, hold the part at an angle so a corner is pointing down. You want as much excess Future to run off the part. Let this drip back into your container. If you have any bubbles on the part that didn't pop or run off, re-dip the part.

There will likely still be some excess that will not drip off. This is where your papertowel comes in. Hold the bottom corner of the part and just touch it to the papertowel. The papertowel will wick away the last drop or so of Future.

I made a small plastic rack out of plastic strip and half round to set my parts on after dipping. You dont want to set the part on something with a lot of surface contact between the parts or they will get stuck together. Yes, Future can be used as a glue. But that is another thread that I will post later.:thumbsup:

Here the rack and part have been placed in a box. You want to leave this covered until the Future dries so no dust or other particles land on the part. I typically leave the parts in a box for 24 hours to make sure the Future has cured completely.

 

 

Here are the pics of the dipped window and an undipped window. The dipped window is on the right. Kinda hard to tell in the pic but the window on the left has a slight "milky" look when compared to the window on the right.

Here is another angle. Dipped window is on the bottom.

 

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Saturday, October 26, 2013 4:45 PM

Don Stauffer

I think dipping canopies is fine for a new, fresh-from-the-factory look. It does bother me, however, to see a well weathered model with a pristine glossy canopy.

I've been using the Novus Polishing System lately and I find that I get crystal clear canopies without the out of scale glossiness.

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