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Miniature painting and loving it...but I want to get better: questions from an old noob

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Miniature painting and loving it...but I want to get better: questions from an old noob
Posted by Crafty on Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:01 PM

Many greetings and blessing upon you all,

In my younger days (I am 47 now), I used to paint figurines.  Now that I am back at it, I am coming across terminology I just do not understand.  For example, what is "washing"?  How is it accomplished?

The best avenue for me is to research the internet.  Does anyone have a suggestion for good online tutorials that go through the painting process step-by-step?

Thanks in advance for your feedback!

Gorbulas Proudfoot

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:57 AM

A wash is paint thinned to be very, very thin. It can be used for two purposes. One is to apply a tint or slight color shading to entire surfaces.  The other is to darken cracks and crevasses.  Say, for instance, to darken panel lines on an aircraft, or to darken folds in clothing.  Because of the large amount of thinner compared to binder, it is very runny, and will spread into cracks and such.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by ajlafleche on Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:32 AM

If you're getting into figure painting, the two top sites are Planet Figure and Timelines Forums, Some of the world's best figure painters frequent these sites, including guys who sculpt masters for a living and guys who paint the box art for many companies.

www.planetfigure.com/forum

http://www.timelinesforum.com/

Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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Posted by jgeratic on Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:18 PM

You never mentioned what is your medium preference - oils, acrylics, enamels, mixed?  

I too would recommend checking out the two sites ajlafleche has linked.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Crafty on Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:59 PM

Thanks Don!  Great explanation!

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Posted by Crafty on Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:02 PM

ajlafleche,

Those are two very good sites indeed.  I also came across a very good figurine dealer in the UK called otherworld.  Very nice quality and variety.  otherworldminiatures.co.uk

Thanks again,

Crafty

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Posted by Crafty on Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:08 PM

jgeratic,

My medium of choice for fantasy pewter miniatures is a combination of acrylics and watercolors.  Oil just simply takes too long to dry for me and enamels was never a consideration.  I start out with a base of primer applying 2-3 very light coats (white for lighter color schemes, black for darker).  Then, I work from the dark colors to the light colors.  This method was taught to me a long time ago and has served me well.  Next, I apply coats that are a combination of the primary target color, a slightly darker  color and water.  This allows the darker color to settle into the nooks and crannies.  Finally, after all the detail work is complete, I create the ground according to what the figurine is doing.  For example, an elf in the woods needs adhesive, kitty litter for rocks and a coat of brown, dark brown and green.  Then, when all is done, I lightly spray with sealant to keep it preserved.

I talk to much!

~Crafty

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Posted by jgeratic on Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:51 PM

Good, I'm familiar with acrylics.

Using a watered down dark colour is great for areas such as belts, buttons, etc. to make it stand out more.  On clothing, not so much if you are relying on gravity to fill in - you tend to end up having shadows where they shouldn't be.  On cloth folds, the dark area should be on the underside, but you can't control this if applied like a wash.  

You can still apply  as thin paint, but it has to be applied with precision - this means one fold at a time.  It is more work, but will be worth it in the end.   An overall wash should be relied more on tying things together, adding a slight variety in shade,or if you find there is too much contrast.  

I would suggest looking up Marion Ball on youtube.  Her's is a tutorial on face painting, but the basics can be applied to other parts of the figure as well.  Of course, her's is not the only way, many have posted videos on their own individual methods, just have to find the ones that suit your style.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Crafty on Thursday, January 30, 2014 3:02 PM

Jack,

The model  above is fantastic!  I really am impressed.  Thanks for the information on Marion Ball as well as the technique tips.  I am so excited about receiving my first miniature.  My crafting is being down for two reasons:

1.  I love painting miniatures.  Starting over from scratch is a bit expensive; however, it is absolutely worth it.

2.  I am experimenting with a new role playing technique for AD&D.  I will create an entire adventure where all the main important happenings will be played out to scale using dioramas.  It is a large project so I am giving myself a year to complete it.  Writing fantasy as a Dungeon Master has always been easy for me.  This new challenge will really bring the players into the game (I hope).

In other news...I am using new techniques for my 47 year old body.  First, there is the matter of a steady hand.  I have read in numerous places that a long rod can be used to steady the hand.  Next, I am purchasing a magnifier head set with LED lights for the most detailed work.  Finally, I will be utilizing as many painting techniques as I can in the development of my characters.  This will probably result in an elaboration occurring as I go from miniature to miniature.

Thanks,

Crafty

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Posted by jgeratic on Thursday, January 30, 2014 3:17 PM

Crafty, thanks and you're welcome.  

I'm same age as you, and have refrained from relying on a magnifier for now - though I will blow up a piece when viewed on the comp screen to see if something needs tightening up.  Maybe the fact that I'm near sighted has helped me thus far, but some day...

For sure, good lighting is very important.  I've seen rods used when canvas painting so the artist doesn't lean his hand onto wet paint.  Myself, when requiring steadiness, I just make sure both hands are leaning on the table edge.  Having the figure temporarily mounted to better hold on to is also a good idea.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Crafty on Thursday, January 30, 2014 3:29 PM

Hey Jack!

I wear bifocals so the magnifiers are necessary.  I do not mind as it will get me so close to the detail, I should see the casting pores!!  I have seen numerous techniques for holding a miniature.  My favorite is to just take a short 1 x 2 and reverse tape it.  The casting will stay in place as long as you need it to using this application.  

Good light? CHECK!  I have a room specifically dedicated to the art we pursue.  Soon, I hope to be adorning the walls with dioramas.  Most importantly on this topic is that I received a nod from a higher up to do this: my wife! :)   Of course, since I am reintroducing myself to the art, I am sure my first few dioramas will not be worthy of hanging or putting on shelves; however and hopefully, I will get there in time.

Always great speaking with you Jack even though my membership is only a day old.

Thanks,

Crafty

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Posted by Silver on Sunday, March 23, 2014 7:41 PM
If I were you I would see if you can get together with the Warhammer gaming people in your area to get some tips from them.They do very nice figure painting w/washes .I did that and learned very much.Their paints are very good.
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Posted by Silver on Sunday, March 23, 2014 7:47 PM
Warhammer Figure painters make regular figure painters look bad.I have a friend who is a Warhammer painter enter at a I.P.M.S. Contest and won best Figure.Everyone almost broke their necks looking at his figures.
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Posted by Silver on Sunday, March 23, 2014 7:51 PM
If I were in armor I would check out the Warhammer armor display at their stores.
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Posted by Silver on Sunday, March 23, 2014 7:52 PM
Breath taking armor painting.Fiction Armor.
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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, March 24, 2014 5:54 AM

I thought this was a great tutorial

www.armorama.com/modules.php

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Posted by Silver on Monday, March 24, 2014 11:19 AM
It is .Its just something to think about and absorb other painting styles that will make painting figures a step level in detail and contrast .Your tutorial is outstanding .Don't get me wrong .
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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, March 24, 2014 12:08 PM

I'm not sure what is being defined here by "regular figure painter" - someone who paints historical/real subjects?

Isn't the Warhammer genre based on armoured suits?  That requires a different approach to painting, opposed to a figure that is wearing cloth.  I can see why the interest in metal can hold a person's attention.   This is something that begins in infancy - bright shiny objects are always more alluring.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Silver on Thursday, April 3, 2014 6:49 PM
Well,if you really think about it figure painting is some what like The imagination aspect.No known photos before the mid 1800's.Very rare color World War Two photos Everything else is computer assisted to creat color.So, if you have subjects earlier than the 1800's then Welcome aboard to figure painting imagination style.
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Posted by Silver on Thursday, April 3, 2014 6:58 PM
30% of Warhammer subjects have armor.Their wash styles surpasses the regular modeling skills .Also their face paint jobs look very real.But , what ever works for you.I often enter a figure bust for competition and win.Thats coming from an aircraft modeler.Good luck.
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