Vietnam F-104 fuel probe question

Run an image search to confirm, but I don't recall coming across any photos of F-104s in Vietnam without the IFR probe. I have run across a few photos of some in NMF without tip tanks, but none without the probe. I am building one now and did quite a bit of image searching beforehand.

thanks very much for your reply

Silver

The camo F-104C which operated w/ the 479TH TFW out of DA NANG in 1965 did have the air refueling probe.The early metal finish versions a year earlier did not.

Actually they did, as these photos show

I read somewhere about how the Air Force used F-86Hs to simulate Mig-17s against the F-105 and devise tactics to use.

Silver

The only F-104 engagements w/success were w/-F-86 and Su-7 Fitter in the Pakistani -India war in 1971.one kill on each aircraft .Also on an Alise aircraft from India in the same war.

Taiwan used the F-104 successfully to down a few Chicom Migs as well.

Thanks for all your comments and pics

In support of silver I must admit that I have seen a pic of the F-104 in natural  metal without the refuelling probe

That Strafighter was the one called Really George it had a very fancy livery and was based at George airbase

can someone second this ?

F104, the probe was removable, so yes, I bet somebody could dig up a photo or two of that aircraft as described.

Silver, from what I have been able to find, the F-104 was indeed a good fighter when flown by a good pilot who knew how to exploit its' strengths and not get drawn into a turning fight with a more agile opponent. Much like the Israelis learned how to do with their Mirage IIIs against the various Mig types and such of the Arab air forces they fought.

All this talk and reading about F-104s has me thinking now of running a 104 Group Build on here...

never seen a 104 operational without the ifr probe. da nang 104's have the grey nose and tail and intake cone so i dont know what silver is on about. i have seen 104's without the probe in pics from home bases in canada and usa and also on altitude and speed test aircraft.

afaik the 104 only had a couple of kills in vietnam as the opposition gave up launching aircraft against them.

read my post again carefully before shooting your mouth off and tell me where i said any particular 104 had more than a couple of kills,

Direct Quote -   "the 104 only had a couple of kills"

silver. you are coming across as an ignorant know all/ know nothing type of person.

in responses to other questions on other subjects you are just as bad. when someone asked how to correct a bent part all you could sarcastically suggest was buy a better quality kit. how very helpful of you....

you also yell us that foil should only be used on picture frames and is no good for modeling. i and a few thousand others would beg to differ with you.

i understand  English is probably not your first language and this may have something to do with the tone of your posts, and maybe you are still at school, but there is no excuse for out and out ignorance.

if you have nothing of help to contribute to this forum please go away.

Stik, I'll join you in that (potential) F-104 Group Build! 

Eric

Gate Guard I came across in Jordan.

Jordan got 18 A's and 4 B's like the one above. They were moved to Turkey before the 6 Day War. Several were lost in combat in the India-Pakistan wars.

Mig 21 was a much better aircraft. Mig 19 probably too.

From what I have read the F-104C was a bit short legged and tanking was a necessity.  If there is a group build, I want to do the F-104S - ASA

That sounds like a good start there Eric. Lets see if we can get a few more to make it happen.

Stik, you're full of excellent ideas. I'm in with an Italian 104S in low vis gray...sorry for the thread hijack.

Nathan, Seasick, myself... we still need a couple more to make a proper GB...