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Is there a quick guide to ID New/Old/Re-boxed kits?

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  • Member since
    February 2014
  • From: N. MS
Is there a quick guide to ID New/Old/Re-boxed kits?
Posted by CN Spots on Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:23 PM

It seems to be a pretty common thing with this hobby...  A novice or even experienced but Ill-informed modeler buying what they thought was a new kit only to find out that it is a re-pop of a 30 year old mold and being bummed out by the quality.  Now I understand that new old stock is still floating around and sometimes an old kit might be the only offering available, which is great if you just gotta have it but it's hardly ever advertised on sites or at LHSs when the release date of a kit was or if it was a re-boxing of somebody else's mold from years ago.  The exception being a brand new mold or upgraded tooling.  Those are selling features and are usually highlighted.

So as I was digging through my list of online shops looking for a new project I wondered if anyone had ever come across a site that listed release dates of kits or made note of any deceptive marketing.  i.e.: "New" for company A but actually an old company B mold. -I hear the guys in the ship forum complaining about that problem a lot.

It's a first world problem, I know.  All of that info is already on the web in one or more of a million reviews but I can't help but think that it's been put in a tidy list format somewhere.

And sure, I could just post a question about a kit in the forums but I stay up late and I didn't wanna have to wake anybody up. ; )

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England
Posted by Bish on Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:27 PM

The best source I know of is Scalemates. I doubt it has every single kit made, but the ones it does have it includes the kits history.

www.scalemates.com/products

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

  • Member since
    March 2005
  • From: near Nashville, TN
Posted by TarnShip on Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:48 PM

I was going to list Scalemates as well.

It is an ongoing project, for sure,,,,,,but, if you go there and find your specific kit, there is a timeline for each kit farther down on its page.

the other way it is useful is to just find out if anyone makes a 1/? kit of the Douglas F-??. as you type Douglas and then the F-xx part, you get autofills to prod you along. This works for any aircraft, tank, car, ship, etc,,,,,,,,as long as you know the real items manufacturer or the class of your ship, etc.

Rex

almost gone

  • Member since
    February 2014
  • From: N. MS
Posted by CN Spots on Thursday, October 30, 2014 6:56 PM

I figured that there had to be something out there.  Thanks guys!

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    January 2013
Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Thursday, October 30, 2014 7:47 PM

I've picked up a couple old Airfix kits unknowingly they were older kits due to flash and ill-fitting parts. Ah well, next time I will refer to the site next time.

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Fort Knox
Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, October 31, 2014 11:57 AM

Age & experience help. Being an avid modeler for 45 of my 50 years on Earth and having used the internet with modeling building since 1995-96, I've noticed trends when new models vs. "new" models (i.e. reboxes/reissues) arrive.

First of all, Google/Bing/Yahoon/Your search engine of choice is your friend. It amazes me that the same person who will drive out of their way to save 5¢ on a gallon of gas (what's that, like a buck on a full tank?) won't do a little online homework before spending $30-50 on a plastic model kit.

One of the things I noticed in my online modeling years is that internet buzz often precedes true new models. Fellow modelers have already received test shots, website moderators have already received review samples and information packets to hype up the new kit. Reboxes/reissues just pop up on the shelf or online retailers' website without much fanfare unless it was a highly sought after hard-to-find kit.

Someone has already bought the "new" old kit and ranted about it at one of the various modeling forums.

One of the various review sites has already received the kit, posted a review with photos and declared it the old XYZ kit. It's fairly easy to recognize if you know that they had that subject kit previously in their line.

Ask at one of the modeling sites. "Hey, I see XYZ has a new M1000 listed, what's it like?" Someone will probably know that XYZ has often released old ABC kits before and ABC once had a poor M1000. Somebody who works at a hobby shop or visited a hobby shop that allows customers to look inside the box has probably already seen and recognized the old kit.

Check the manufacturer's website. When Revell started reissuing the old Renwal kits, they advertised it knowing they were aiming for the nostalgia market. Old dudes like me that built these kits in the 1960s wanting to relive their childhood without buying vintage kits at collector's prices. Round Two has taken to showing the original manufacturer's logo so you know what you're getting.

  • Member since
    March 2005
  • From: near Nashville, TN
Posted by TarnShip on Friday, October 31, 2014 12:14 PM

hahaha, Rob, careful with the O word. I am 57, going to have 50 years building models in Feb,,,,,,,you aren't that far behind some of us.

Just curious, not to hijack the thread, but are you one of the people like me, that didn't take a "break" in your model building?

Rex

almost gone

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Fort Knox
Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, October 31, 2014 12:54 PM

Yes, I was referring to myself and modelers like me when I use the term "old dudes". No, I did not take a break from modeling. I built models while playing football and wrestling in high school, wrestling and ROTC/National Guard in college. I built while at Armor Officer Basic at Knox in 1987. Built while I was stationed in Germany. Besides stopping for deployments, I even created a travel model box for my kits while traveling for the Army in the 1990s. A small tackle box from Walmart and a 1/72 scale tank kit and some basic tools, normally the pre-boxed sets by Testors that included a small knife, some paint and glue.

  • Member since
    March 2005
  • From: near Nashville, TN
Posted by TarnShip on Friday, October 31, 2014 2:37 PM

Cool, same here, I built right on through my Marine years, then later on, I built while in college and after the homework was done. I even built models while we were racin' and wreckin' the stock cars.

The reason I ask, is that people that leave and come back must face a bit of a culture shock when they return,,,,,,,unlike the people that watched things evolve as it happened.

Imagine the  "resin what?" that must happen to guys that used to build a lot and then went away for a couple of decades, when they return and find out that now there are 1/72 resin pilots with multiple parts to choose from and then assemble. (and that is one of the easy examples)

okay, thanks for the side trip,,,,,

Rex

almost gone

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Fort Knox
Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:44 AM

I discovered resin by way of Verlinden products when stationed in Germany 1987-90. It was everywhere and as a young second lieutenant, I had a lot of disposable income. PE came a little later when I returned stateside.

I also learned my lesson with AEF Designs resin products. I ordered from Germany because of advertisements in the old Military Modeler magazine. It was probably some of the poorest resin I'd ever run across. Because of that, I started trying to make my own resin parts. Many lieutenants at work wanted a model of their tank. The old Esci Abrams kits were basically all that was available, but not enough M1A1s, some were straight M1s. So I decided to cast the Esci M1A1 specific parts to convert the non-A1s. Probably some of my first kit bashes.

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