The General Lee

Arved, this is great! It'd be like modeling the Tiger tank from "Kelley's Heroes". You'd have to get a post war T-34, then go about changing the profile with plastic sheet to match all the sheet metal they stuck on the thing. What a task!

John, well I am embarrassed to say, I had not read "The March of Folly" in probably the 30 years since it was published. Reading the NY Times review from then by Lehman-Haupt, and a few others, it was just savaged!

More recently, I've read about 75% of "Bunker Hill" by Philbrick. A tar and feathering or two, some waterlogged tea, stolen cannons and general bellicose behavior meant war, somehow.

What is most interesting to me, and you touched on it above, is while we can intellectually appreciate the time involved in non-electrical communication, I think we often forget what happens during that time. I guess what I mean by that is first the obvious point that circumstances move forward faster than response, and also more subtly that the mind conjures up all of the what-if responses before the actual one ever arrives.

Taking this poor guy who got stabbed the other night in Sacramento, three hours before there was any comment by the police, one (ahem) major network was already opining that "they're now attacking our heroes within our own country". Factually accurate, but what is "they" supposed to mean?

Arved

"The first three Georgia Lees had a set of crossed flags (a Confederate flag and checkered flag) on the panel between the rear window and trunk lid. Although four sets were created, only three were used. They were discontinued due to the continuity of the General Lee graphics, making it one less thing to be used. The three surviving cars went back to California and had the crossed flags removed upon reconditioning."

Anyone make this as a decal (for either the 1/16th or 1/25th scale models - I'd be interested in one for my 1/25th scale model)?

Answer, yes, but I believe it's useless. A couple available via eBay, but all are printed on white decal stock. That's fine for the flags themselves, but horrid for having to cut them out perfectly. Edit: I think I figured  out how to use them. Use just the flags, and use black decal stripes for the flag staffs.

I deeply regret not buying an ALPS MD series printer back in the day, although getting it to behave with today's OSs might prove tricky (perhaps the greatest understatement on this board).

I am not impressed with the kit's molded on windsheild wipers. It's going to take some work to remove them and replace with PE.

The brush guard is also going to take some work/refabrication:

Note: First 5 episodes filmed in GA, with LEE1 through 3 plus 2 to 3 more, and these had the crossed flags on the rear valance panel. Template for the brush guard was published in January 2002 Scale Auto magazine, and available here. That looks more like the "wide California" than the Georgia version. The "Georgia" version was simply welded to the front bumper. The "Wide California" version had to be trimmed to clear jump ramps on those cars used for jumps.

Note: First 5 episodes filmed in Georgia with LEE1 through LEE3.

A 6 point roll cage is included in the kit. All references I've found state the roll cage was a 3 point, but it looks like a 2 point. That is, it's a simple inverted U with a diagonal brace, lacking any strut to restrict fore/aft bending. For the TV series, the roll cage was bent from exhaust tubing and had padding added. Makes sense: it was for looks only, and as noted above, there were hundreds of cars eventually used for the series. Roll cages were ommited on some cars used for interior shots, so those of you ommitting the roll cage have precedence.

"Engines in the TV show General Lees varied; 318, 383, 440-cubic-inch engines, and one 511 Hemi was used in Bo's GENERAL LEE. None of the TV series cars had the 426 Hemi, although in the 2005 The Dukes of Hazzard motion picture, Cooter replaced the "General's" original engine with a Chrysler 426 Hemi engine. However, the "close-up" Lees (except for the first one) were 383-powered. The special purpose built "Ski Car" (the car that was used for stunts involving driving on the left side or right side wheels with the opposite side wheels in the air) had a 318, as it was lighter weight. Most of the 'workhorse' stunt cars had 383s and 440s. The stunt drivers tended to prefer 440s (a higher performance engine) for jumps, so 440-powered stunt Lees were often saved for the higher bobby and longer jumps. Also, though early sound effects led many people to believe otherwise, only a handful of Chargers had manual transmissions; most had 727 TorqueFlite automatic transmissions." - Wikipedia

LEE1 had a 383. Here's a photo from it's auction:

The car was nearly destroyed filming the opening scene jump, but because it was in that opening scene, it's also the only one of the cars used to be seen in each and every episode. :-P

"After General Lee LEE1 was reused later in the show in episode 4, "Repo Men". It was painted a dark blue/green color with a big "71" on the top and had Nascar sponsor decals on the side. The American Racing Vectors were replaced with gold painted steel rims." - On Screen Cars

Back to the engine. I think the kit engine is a 426 Hemi? Any good Mopar guys confirm or deny? If so, what's the best 1/25 383 I can substitute for a more accurate model?

426 Hemi has the spark plugs in the center of the combustion chamber, requiring the spark plugs and wires to go through the valve cover:

The 383 (and 440, both commonly used on General Lees) did not:

Then there are  the wheels, but I'll leave that for another day. I may have to reconsider this model. The more you know, the more impossible to model. LOL 

Sprue-ce Goose

 

 

jtilley

.......George Washington spent the entire war trying to build a traditional, European-style army. 

 

 

 

So you are saying the "semi-pro" state units were actually useless? 

 

I'm not saying that at all. The "semi-pro" units were raised to deal with specific occasions, such as the Cartegena expedition and the one that captured Louisbourg in King George's War. So far as I know, they were gone (i.e., the colonial legislatures had stopped funding them) by the end of the French and Indian War.

But a lot of military men got their experience and training in such outfits. The most prominent example is Washington himself. Of the subordinate generals, I think Horatio Gates had served in a Rhode Island "semi-pro" regiment. (Nathanael Greene apparently hadn't; that surprised me a little.) I don't know of a source that would nail down how many officers and enlisted men from "semi-pro" regiments wound up in the Continental Army, but the number must have been considerable.

Take Barbara Tuchman with a big grain of salt. I respect her as a fine writer of narrative history, but when it comes to analysis she has a rotten reputation among professional historians. I like The Guns of August, but her book on the American Revolution, The First Salute, is a hopeless, sloppy, poorly-researched mess. I haven't read The March of Folly, but if she says the British response to the brewing American Revolution was excessive she's over-simplifying the story. From the British standpoint, such things as the Coercive Acts (known in America as the Intolerable Acts) made perfect sense.

The British on quite a few occasions showed remarkable restraint. Governor Thomas Hutchinson, for example, made the decision to have the "perpetrators" of the "Boston Massacre" tried in a civilian court, rather than court-martialed. (The court found eight of the ten soldiers innocent, and let the other two off with the minimum punishment for manslaughter: branding on the right palm. The Sons of Liberty rewarded Hutchinson by tearing his house down and forcing him and his family out of Massachusetts.)

If I had to single out one cause of the Revolution as the most important (which wouldn't be a smart thing to do), I'd say it was Failyuh to Communicate. There are dozens of examples in the period up to 1775 of people on both sides of the Atlantic simply misunderstanding each other. On the other hand, I find it hard to swallow the notion that if the British had done things differently, what's now the U.S.A. would still be part of the British Empire.

GMorrison

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After todays rather remarkable events in Washington D.C., it's worth remembering that many see no harm in playing fast and loose with fire.

An increasing number of folks have substantial and guaranteed pensions no matter what the results of their on the job behavior .............

Two things.

1. Yes the King was provoked into a reaction by the actions of the Colonists, however there's substantial debate about the proportion of the reaction. See Tuchman: The March of Folly.

2. Another professional outside force that fought with the Colonists was the militias of the Republic of Vermont. To some effect as well.

After todays rather remarkable events in Washington D.C., it's worth remembering that many see no harm in playing fast and loose with fire.

jtilley

.......George Washington spent the entire war trying to build a traditional, European-style army. 

 

So you are saying the "semi-pro" state units were actually useless? 

That 10%-10%-80% ratio has been knocking around among historians for a long time. I guess 33%-33%-33% is also possible. There simply isn't enough data to say for sure.

One thing a lot of people ignore is the huge number of loyalists who, in their zeal to get away from the revolutionary government, emigrated to Canada. Lots of towns along the St. Lawrence River are named after loyalists who originally settled them. The 1783 Treaty of Paris stipulated that the U.S. would compensate those people for their financial losses. (The U.S. never did.)

The people who glorify the role of the militia (and such people are quite numerous) forget that George Washington spent the entire war trying to build a traditional, European-style army. He didn't have one, really, until after the winter at Valley Forge, when Baron von Steuben played a major part in training and disciplining the troops. (Among other things, von Steuben wrote a simplified version of the Prussian drill manual that could be learned in a hurry.) And Washington never won a large-scale battle until, at Yorktown, he had a trained, European-style army - most of it French - under his command.

Somehow or other the American colonial militia has been mythologized into something it never was. The image of "the Embattled Farmer" pops up everywhere, from Congressional military policy to National Guard recruiting posters to ads for insurance companies. The truth is that at several points in the war (most natably, maybe, in the Saratoga campaign of 1777) the militia did play a highly significant role in harassing the British (and Hessians), but it was professional soldiers who decided the outcome.

Years ago (I think it was right after the fiasco of the 2000 presidential election) I ran into an interesting document on the web. It was a proclamation from Queen Elizabeth II, informing the U.S. that, in view of its obvious inability to govern itself, Britain was revoking its ratification of the 1783 Treaty of Paris and reclaiming the U.S. as a colony. The proclamation was accompanied by several orders. I don't remember them all, but one was "You shall cease calling your baseball championship a 'World Series.'" Another was "Meg Ryan is to report to the Prince Andrew's bedchamber at 10:00 p.m."

jtilley

One aspect of the American Revolution that most people don't get is that, for at least the first year and a half of the fighting, the people who wanted to separate from Great Britain were a small minority. It's hard to estimate such things, but a common guesstimate among historians is that in late 1776, when the British were driving Washington's army from New York, about 10% of the population favored the Revolution, about 10% were loyalists who opposed it, and the other 80% didn't care.

Professor Tilley, are these figures the result of recent research?  The texts I use for teaching, and other sources I have, usually described the difference in colonial opinions as roughly a third each; as in 1/3 were pro-"Patriot", 1/3 remained loyal to the crown and another third indifferent to the contemporary politics.  While quite brief, I've enjoyed this book about the revolution:

http://www.amazon.com/A-Short-History-American-Revolution/dp/068812304X

jtilley

Thanks for the lecture.

You sort of answered a question I have always had about the Colonial Army's reputation for being steadier under fire vs. the Colonial militia.

A core of "semi-pro" regiments would have been a very useful source of trained military personnel for training a professional Colonial army.

PBS could have used your help in creating a follow up to The American Adventure series many years ago. 

Arved

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The Confederate Flag decal is supplied. No doubt about it. I was surprised at how sturdy the box top was.

 

Best of all, it was just what I needed for catching the metal bits that resulted from drilling and tapping new holes for a better ATX power supply filter holder on a Corsair 300R case.

jtilley

End of lecture. Sorry; I've been teaching and writing about this stuff for about 40 years, and when the subject comes up I tend to run off at the mouth - or in this case keyboard.

A shame to end it here. It was a good discussion, and I thank all who participated.

A good friend and collegue had suggested, jokingly, that the US approach the British government: "You know, this little experiment we called democracy? Didn't quite go as planned. Too many unintended consequences. How about we just forget the whole thing and call it off."

When he does so, I remind him that he probably wouldn't appreciate the British tax code, and especially the VAT.

My kit arrived yesterday afternoon courtesy Amazon Prime. I got two packages in the mail, actually. The other was a hard drive. Guess which package had the best packaging? The hard drive was fine, but I was really surprised to find the retail box shipped loose in the shipping box.

The Confederate Flag decal is supplied. No doubt about it. I was surprised at how sturdy the box top was.

One aspect of the American Revolution that most people don't get is that, for at least the first year and a half of the fighting, the people who wanted to separate from Great Britain were a small minority. It's hard to estimate such things, but a common guesstimate among historians is that in late 1776, when the British were driving Washington's army from New York, about 10% of the population favored the Revolution, about 10% were loyalists who opposed it, and the other 80% didn't care. To them, ideas like the fundamental rights of man, no taxation without representation, the evils of monarchy, etc. were far less important than the big questions of life, such as, "will my wife live through her next pregnancy?" Or "will my crops come in well enough this year for me to keep my farm?" Or "will the smallpox epidemic wipe out my entire town?" (The Revolutionary War was fought during a smallpox epidemic.)

From the British perspective there was plenty of provocation for what they did. American colonists had attacked a force of His Majesty's soldiers and marines in the performance of their duty, had destroyed several tons of valuable property of the East India Company, had driven a royal governor out of Massachusetts by setting fire to his house and threatening his family, and placed a sizeable force of soldiers and loyal civilians under siege (in Boston).

When the Second Continental Congress met in May of 1775, just after the shooting started at Lexington and Concord, the first thing it did was to issue two documents, the Declaration of Causes of Taking Up Arms and the Olive Branch Petition, both of which said the same thing: the colonists were loyal subjects of King George, they were just trying to make the British recognize their rights as British subjects, the British Army was breaking the law, and they hoped the king would get rid of his treasonous ministers and other officials and stop the war. Of the 55 or so men in the Continental Congress, only about a dozen wanted to leave the British Empire.

During the next 14 months those dozen guys managed to draw enough of the other representatives into their camp to get the Declaration of Independence passed.

When Admiral Howe and General Howe arrived in North America, in the summer of 1776, they bore commissions not only as commanders-in-chief of the navy and army, but as commissioners of the peace. They were authorized to grant the Continenal Congress any terms it demanded, with one exception. The colonies were offered representation in Parliament, the repeal of the taxes they found so objectionable (which really didn't amount to much), and virtually everything else they wanted. The exception: independence. When the Howe brothers arrived, the Congress had just issued the Declaration of Independence, so they refused to negotiate. The rest is history.

Oh - and the colonial militias were not the only non-British military institutions in the colonies. Modern historians have recognized that the colonial military system had three layers: The British Army, the militia, and a group of "semi-pro" regiments raised by the individual states to function as trained, paid, professional fighting men. George Washington commanded such a unit, the First Virginia Regiment, in the French and Indian War. He claimed his troops were as well trained, equipped, and disciplined as most of the British units - and he was probably right. In any case, the story of the war being won by irregular militiamen firing rifles from behind trees at lines of idiots in red coats is about 90% myth.

End of lecture. Sorry; I've been teaching and writing about this stuff for about 40 years, and when the subject comes up I tend to run off at the mouth - or in this case keyboard.

Sprue-ce Goose

Actually, there's as much a case for the USA not surviving the next two generations as there is a case against the South rising again- due to similar reasons.

As for the American Revolution: I would kinda like to know what prompts the idea that Colonial revolutionary leaders thought the single, undisputed world military power ( since the French and Indian Wars, anyway) would not attack a divided population ( separate state governments) which had only weak militias. The Colonial state governments had no standing armies and certainly no navy. Aside from the local militias, the Colonial states depended almost entirely upon the British military for protection.  

Despite the current popular view that the the American Colonial leadership was a bunch of knuckle dragging, ignorant upstarts ( well, OK, the British Aristocracy thought that at the time as well ) the American revolutionary leadership was very well versed in British history as well as how the British government functioned. After all, they had been interacting with British leadership either through the Colonial Governors or directly with Parliament in London

( Benjamin Franklin). 

 

The big mistake was the Kingdom attacking it's own citizens without provocation. In a battle that had no overriding moral value, as opposed to the evil of slavery, which was the cause of the secession in 1861.

Arved

 

For most of the series, Daisy Duke drove a white CJ-7, but the first 5 episodes had her in a 1974 Plymouth Road Runner:

Round 2 (MPC) did a model:

That might make a nice stablemate to the General Lee model. Has anyone here built it?

I must admit, I was unaware the Plymouth Road Runner car was used in the series. As I do not ever recall viewing the series, I hope my oversight would be forgiven.

I could be tempted to build the CJ-7 as I recently purchased the Revell Wrangler Rubicon as well as the re-release of the MPC WWII Jeep ( with civilian tires - wish I'd read the reviews first) 

Actually, there's as much a case for the USA not surviving the next two generations as there is a case against the South rising again- due to similar reasons.

As for the American Revolution: I would kinda like to know what prompts the idea that Colonial revolutionary leaders thought the single, undisputed world military power ( since the French and Indian Wars, anyway) would not attack a divided population ( separate state governments) which had only weak militias. The Colonial state governments had no standing armies and certainly no navy. Aside from the local militias, the Colonial states depended almost entirely upon the British military for protection.  

Despite the current popular view that the the American Colonial leadership was a bunch of knuckle dragging, ignorant upstarts ( well, OK, the British Aristocracy thought that at the time as well ) the American revolutionary leadership was very well versed in British history as well as how the British government functioned. After all, they had been interacting with British leadership either through the Colonial Governors or directly with Parliament in London

( Benjamin Franklin). 

The AMC Rebel and the Dodge Magnum. No end to how suckers get marketed.

With all due respect Arved, I sincerely disagree. I think we've learned that there are better ways to solve our societal differences. A sure sign of a good system is that no one is very happy about it.

I think that the CSA was frankly shocked when the Union militarily intervened to preserve itself. Just as the folks in 1775 were really shocked when the King attacked. As long as the Federal Government has Ohio class submarines and better command and control, not much chance of a successful seccession by the South again.

Arved

At the risk of violating TOS and being reprimanded...

 

 

jtilley

"Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it next semester." - Tilley

 

 

Been there, done that...

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"If Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin were alive today, they'd be leading the revolution." - Me :-)

..................... Suggestions?

At the risk of violating TOS and being reprimanded...

jtilley

"Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it next semester." - Tilley

Been there, done that...

I'll admit, my public school history taught me the issue was slavery, and California being admitted as a free state was the last straw. Since I've moved to the south, I've been corrected and now know better.

And "The War of Northern Agression" has other lessons to be learned, especially in the eventual Civil War to come. Oh, make no mistake about it. It's going to happen. Maybe not now. Maybe not in our lifetime, but even the mighty Roman Empire fell, and so will this one. And I believe that the political divisiveness that's so rampant in our government, our politics, our media, and even in our churches will have consequences and reprecussions.

"If Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin were alive today, they'd be leading the revolution." - Me :-)

Now to figure out what model paint comes closest to Hemi Orange. I definately want to do one of the first three Chargers with the crossed flags on the back. Testors has Hemi Orange in a rattle can, but I can't find it in a bottle. I hate decanting almost as much as I hage rattle cans. Suggestions?

Those quotes are interesting for several reasons. I particularly like the one where the Duke boys are surprised that anybody would find the Confederate flag either laudable or offensive.

For better or worse, I'm afraid that's a common real-life phenomenon. A whole lot of young people today have no idea what the Civil War was about - if they've even heard about it. (At the beginning of each of my American military history courses, I hand out a little survey in which, among other things, I ask "In what year did the American Civil War end?" About 90% of the students don't know. These are college sophomores, juniors, and seniors.)

In the high school where my wife used to work, a white student tied a big Confederate flag to the roof of his car and drove it back and forth in front of the school building, with one purpose: to offend the assistant principal, who was black. I talked to the student; he had no idea what the flag was, or what it represented. He'd just heard that it made  black people mad.

"Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - Santayana

"Those who fail to remember the past are condemned to repeat it next semester." - Tilley

Another Wikipedia page just about the car. Some notes:

"Although the estimated number of General Lees used varies from different sources, according to former cast member Ben Jones ("Cooter" in the show), as well as builders involved with the show, 320 General Lees were used to film the series. Others claim about 255 were used in the series. Approximately 17 still exist in various states of repair."

"The first three Georgia Lees had a set of crossed flags (a Confederate flag and checkered flag) on the panel between the rear window and trunk lid. Although four sets were created, only three were used. They were discontinued due to the continuity of the General Lee graphics, making it one less thing to be used. The three surviving cars went back to California and had the crossed flags removed upon reconditioning."

Anyone make this as a decal (for either the 1/16th or 1/25th scale models - I'd be interested in one for my 1/25th scale model)?

"The paint used on these cars was Chrysler code EV2 or 'Hemi Orange'. Interiors not originally tan were sprayed with SEM brand "Saddle tan" vinyl dye."

"(LEE 3) was painted 1975 Corvette Flame Red with a special base coat; the base coat was used after they found LEE 1's paint appeared to be blotchy due to the direct application over factory paint."

From the second through fourth season:

"The paint was GM code 70, Flame Red (still orange, just the name of the color), but there does appear to be some variance here: interiors were mostly dyed brown and occasionally SEM Saddle Tan."

I'm kind of confused about the GM code. In the mid to late 70s, when the series was produced, GM was buying paint from Dupont (before switching to PPG circa 1980). It's my belief GM would spec Dupont paint codes.

The flag's controversy has long been an issue, and was even used as a theme in The Dukes of Hazard feature film (2005): 

"Confederate flag on the roof is made an object of conflict on two occasions. In the first occasion, the Dukes are stuck in an Atlanta traffic jam. During this time passing drivers make remarks towards them that alternate between cheering the South and condemning them as practicing racism, leaving the Duke boys puzzled; the last to comment says, 'Nice roof, redneck! ... Join us in the 21st century?!' and displays obscene hand gestures. Mystified, Bo and Luke slide out of the windows so they could sit on the windowsill to look at the roof and discover the flag. In the second incident, the Dukes wind up with coal dust on their faces, giving them the appearance of driving around in blackface; they stop at a traffic light and some African American youths notice this and the Confederate flag on the General. The youths come to the conclusion that the Dukes are making a racist statement and are about to give them a physical opinion of their roof graphic and facial appearance. Just as the youths were about to assault Bo and Luke, two black police officers show up and throw the Dukes in jail."

And now you probably know more about the General Lee than you ever wanted to know. :-) But in my book, historical research is part and parcel of every model build.

Texgunner

But each Charger they trashed was one that would never be restored or "brought back". I guess that did keep the values up for the ones that remained

I remember reading somewhere, a long time ago, that the Charger was chosen because, at the time, they were cheap and plentiful. So, if anything, they helped increase the value by reducing the supply and increasing the demand! (GD&R)

"Through the history of the show, an estimated 309 Chargers were used; 17 are still known to exist in various states of repair... Schneider (Bo Duke) has also restored over 20 other General Lees to date." - Wikipedia

Would the car be as popular today without it's leading role on The Dukes of Hazard?

For most of the series, Daisy Duke drove a white CJ-7, but the first 5 episodes had her in a 1974 Plymouth Road Runner:

Round 2 (MPC) did a model:

That might make a nice stablemate to the General Lee model. Has anyone here built it?

For the record, I'm not an auto modeler, nor am I a Dukes of Hazard fan. I just get real curious and start researching whenever a spark ignites my curiosity, and this thread has done so. And let's be honest, it's so much easier to research trivia like this today than it was even 10 years ago, it's almost sinful not to spend 10 minutes to satisfy an impulsive curiosity.

No problem finding a swastika decal.

http://www.megahobby.com/multi-scale172andswastikainsigniawarbirddecals.aspx

Thats funny, Arved, all those orange colors.

"Nash Bridges" used to be filmed in the neighborhood where I work. They had a bunch of yellow 1971 Barracuda convertibles.

My son Carson, 32, is a major "gear-head hotrodder".  He says that among Dodge Charger fans, "The Dukes of Hazzard" show is widely reviled.  Why?  Well, everytime you see the General Lee take off and fly through the air, that's another car for the scrap pile.  Those four-point landings were hell on the frame.   Of course, the "jumping" Chargers were just cobbled together enough to drive for the scene.  But each Charger they trashed was one that would never be restored or "brought back".   I guess that did keep the values up for the ones that remained...

plasticjunkie

I quite don't understand the reasoning of removing a flag from a freaking model! It's still the Genetal Lee.

Perhaps prototype accuracy?

http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/13190780/bubba-watson-paint-confederate-flag-general-lee

So I bought the kit today from Amazon. It was an impulse buy inspired from this thread. Reviews and questions confirm that while the flag was removed from the box art, it's still included with the decal sheet.

Most "authorities" claim the General Lee was painted Chrysler Code EV2 "Hemi Orange." Google search of this forum didn't reveal any clues about appropriate model paints to match. I think this photo shows it's a moot point. Use whatever orange you want, and there's bound to be a General Lee that matched. LOL

This whole thread reminds me that I have several 21st Century Toys WWII Luftwaffe models with missing swastikas. Easy enough to print them up with a laser printer and clear decal film.

Rooster gets his Good Ole Boy card stamped!

Stock car racing back with the old moonshiners?

Sprue-ce Goose

 

 

mustang1989

 

 

GMorrison

 

 

Fun trivia question: Whats the one major sport based on committing a felony?

 

 

 

 

I didn't see an answer to this question. I dunno but I'm interested in hearing the answer. I'll take a guess and say hockey. lol

 

 

 

This may depend upon the era and how that era classified a felony............but my guess would be boxing as the fists could be considered a deadly weapon.

Alas, Raymond Burr is now in that great pre-trial court in the sky and can no longer take the case...........

 

Sprue-ce Goose

Nope.

This will be the first time.

I'm actually more interested in the engine than the actual car kit.

I suppose I could add Confederate flag decals to the JoHan kit................

mustang1989

 

 

GMorrison

 

 

Fun trivia question: Whats the one major sport based on committing a felony?

 

 

 

 

I didn't see an answer to this question. I dunno but I'm interested in hearing the answer. I'll take a guess and say hockey. lol

 

This may depend upon the era and how that era classified a felony............but my guess would be boxing as the fists could be considered a deadly weapon.

Alas, Raymond Burr is now in that great pre-trial court in the sky and can no longer take the case...........