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Best low-maintainence Airbrush
Posted by RudyOnWheels on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 1:23 PM

I currently have a Passche Talon, probably their second best airbrush, and am not really happy with it. I understand there is always maintainence and cleaning, but I am on my second one bought out of pocket, and they both seem to have major issues everytime I try to use them. I think the design is poor. I swear I have heard of some of you guys using a Badger that has used the same needle for 30 years!! Regardless of being new, how the packing nut is tightened or not, the paint often leaks into the body of the airbrush, and clogs the air valve, making it stick wide open, or be sticky. I then have to disassemble the air valve, etc. I am just tired of the messes, wasting of paint. I want a better LOWER maintainence double-action airbrush. I despise painting with the airbrush so much, that I will do nearly anything to avoid it, including brush-painting alot of stuff that should be airbrushed. Reccomendations?

 

  Thanks!!

Rudy

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    November 2003
  • From: Naples, FL
Posted by tempestjohnny on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 3:08 PM
Rudy I recently bought a Iwata NEO gravity feed on amazon for about $60. I am in heaven with this airbrush.

 

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 4:57 PM

A low maintanence airbrush? Rattle can spray paint comes to mind. No cleaning, disassembly, just spray and you're done. 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 6:42 PM

Badger gravity feed, dude.

I've bent the needle so many times, just pull it across a whetstone and roll while doing it.

They'll paint me tan with it when I'm in my casket.

I didn't much care for my paasche. It worked very well, but took constant adjustment.

 

Worst- Aztek.

EDIT_ "Aztek is MY least favorite".

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Beaverton, OR
Posted by Ghostrider114 on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 7:40 PM

low-maintainence Airbrush is almost an oxymoron.

 

Although, I've found that most of my issues have been directly related to how well I take care of it.  I'm currently using a Paasche Raptor gravity feed double action that I got a couple months ago for my birthday, and by far it's been the most reliable brush I've had yet.  I had a couple of issues with it because of improper assembly after cleaning, but it works a lot more reliably then my old badger 200 siphon feed.  As long as you pay attention to what your doing and put it together right, you should be ok.

 

FYI, the leaks I had were from not using the same size needle and tip, and also from not pushing the needle out all the way, both mistakes left air gaps that let paint leak out.

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Posted by steve5 on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 9:39 PM

I agree with tempestjohnny , Iwata neo

 

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Posted by RockyD on Thursday, May 5, 2016 1:45 AM

I also have the Iwata Neo and love it, I have only torn it down once for a deep clean and it wasnt that dirty, but I flush it out very well after each use

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Posted by patrick206 on Thursday, May 5, 2016 1:57 AM

Rudy -

I first attempted airbrushing about 50 years ago, results were so terrible and I really felt so much frustration, that I thought "why bother?" The AB's were just mediocre inexpensive ones, can't even recall what they were. But I had seen such beautiful finishes done by other modelers and thought, "I have to be smart enough to do this."

My first decent AB was a Binks Wren, single action external mix. I think within about a dozen sessions I had come to feel some confidence, and was turning out reasonably satisfactory jobs. It all was about learning the cleaning and adjusting chores, after dozens of dis-assemblies and cleanings I knew pretty well how the parts interfaced.

My next one was the old Paasche VL, not a loving relationship at the first uses, lot's of frustrations again. I could NOT understand the manual, (my fault,) I was reading too much into it. So, I assembled and dis-assembled it many many times, until soon enough I began to get the picture of how it all worked together as a unit.

Along the way, I saw that I had split the tip with the needle, due to improper assembly and handling. After replacing it and learning the proper way to assemble and adjust it, it served me well and reliably for many years. Following it, I bought the V, Talon and VJR, all worked reasonably and reliably.

A few years ago I had a run of some poor quality parts delivered to me by Paasche, when I would do a rebuild of one of my AB's. I use them pretty much daily, and every so often I do replace the more delicate parts, to prevent a breakdown. No clue as to why the service became questionable, after so many years of perfection, maybe foreign suppliers now?

Anyway, after using Iwata, Paasche, Binks, Badger and others, I now use almost exclusively Badger's. Reasons? Reliable to an extreme, great quality parts, low purchase price and perfectly acceptable finishes, for my application.

I own most of the Badger models currently produced, my most used are the 100 series, G and LG, the Patriot 105, 200G and even the old 200 siphon. Easy to clean, few parts to fiddle with, simple assembly and adjutments.

And you're right, many Badger users are still using their 20-30-40 year old 200's. I 've been using my Badgers now for several years, not one failure, very few parts replaced in preventive maintenance.

Most of the common name AB's are capable of good finishes and are fairly reliable, not to be demeaning or insulting, but they all do require familiarity and proficiency in order to perform well.

I'd suggest spending some time taking it all down to nothing, take your time and re-assemble carefully, checking to see how all of the parts interface. Repeat that several times and I believe you'll see how some problems can be avoided. Then you'll gain confidence and just enjoy the heck out of airbrushing your models, when you see consistently good results.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions, not that I'm such an expert, but willing to help in some way if I can. Don, at "Don's Airbrush" website is very good at answering questions, I don't think there is much he doesn't know about airbrushes.

Best of luck with your efforts. And I agree with GMorrison, Badger 200G (for gravity) is one great, high quality sprayer, easy to use, clean, assemble and adjust. I highly prize mine.

Patrick 

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  • From: Green Bay, WI USA
Posted by echolmberg on Thursday, May 5, 2016 9:56 AM

I've been using my Aztek 470 for the past dozen years or so and love it to death.  For me, it's very low maintenance and takes my abuse pretty well.  I swear, one of the reasons I have an Aztek is because I knew I was going to abuse whatever airbrush I had and I figured if I was going to muck one up, I'd rather muck up an inexpensive one rather than a high-priced fancy one.  

I have an Iwata but I ruined the tip and am having the darnedest time finding a replacement.  But more than that, it was so EASY for me to ruin it when I was doing some simple cleaning of it.  I liken my Iwata to some fine Italian sports car while my Aztek is Grandpa's Ford pick-up truck down on the farm that's been beaten up but still keeps on going.  It's old.  Nobody wants one but it takes a beating and keeps on going while the others are still in the shop.  That's been my own personal experiences so far.

Eric

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:04 AM

I'm using a Neo with acrylics, and just wash it out with warm water, then blow water through it by blowing through the bowl.  Then run some Testors acrylic cleaner through it with air pressure and back flush it (hold finger over the tip and it will bubble back into bowl).  Do this a couple of times until you don't see any paint residue in the bubbles/swirl.  Take off the tip cap and wipe down the tip and nozzle and clean the cap and threads.  Run a little cleaner through until gone.  Takes about 5 minutes.  Have not had an issue with it yet doing it this way.  Always clean my 1:1 automotive paint guns like this as well.

 

health note------Do not do the blow trick with thinners and reducers used to clean enamels or the acrylic cleaner.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:41 AM

I use the compressor for the blow trick, not using your mouth. Why would you want to use your mouth anyways?

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:04 PM

I'm at the sink rinsing it out of the excess acrylic and once that is done, I just fill the bowl about half full of water and them hold the trigger all the way back and blow through the bowl.  Does a fast clean of the excess paint in the gun prior to going back to the shop and the rest of the process.  Just easier for me that way.  Never would do it with enamels, reducers or thinners though, not even the acrylic cleaner.

 

Just an old body paint guy that has been in the trade for over 40 years......most brain cells gone from paint and bondo dust anyway.Surprise

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  • From: Central Florida
Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, May 6, 2016 4:46 AM

I'm one of the 40 year old Badger owners and users which I got back in the mid 1970s.  I was using the same needle and tip till not long ago and finally sent it to Badger for a tune up. I own several Badgers and I highly recommend them, they will last a lifetime.

Gravity fed ab's are the easiest to clean. I also own a Neo gravity fed that I got at HL for $40 with the 40% coupon. I have been using it for over a year now and I'm very happy with its performance and ease of maintenance.

I find that the easiest method to cleaning an ab and even removing stubborn dried acrylic paint is to run lacquer thinner thru the brush. I can go on multiple paint sessions without the need of a complete cleaning tear down.

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Too many models to build, not enough time in a lifetime!!

KWS
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Posted by KWS on Friday, May 6, 2016 4:58 AM

Badger for sure. Great guns and FANTASTIC customer srevice. Their lifetime warranty on labor is enough to sell me every time. I have had the 150 for more years than I can count and it still performs perfectly. I had it tuned up not too long ago, and it cost me 8.00 for a few parts. The brush came back like new. I dont know of another aurbrush company with that kind of customer support.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, May 6, 2016 9:51 AM

Eric- true enough. I'll change that to "Aztek is MY least favorite".

I got years of ok use out of two of those.

 

The problem, for those who haven't owned one, is that because of the interchangeable tip system, the needle spring is in the paint path. In order to really clean it the tip has to be taken apart and the spring soaked in LT and scrubbed. But not a big deal, just a step.

 

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Detroit, MURDER CITY
Posted by RudyOnWheels on Friday, May 6, 2016 12:32 PM

I REALLY appreciate and value your feedback guys. I picked up the paache because it was "made in the USA", and a good middle of the road airbrush, or at least I thought. I dont want to disparage the company,they seem to be nice people. Maybe I'm an idiot, or maybe they are using crappy chinese parts now. I realize their are ALWAYS maintainence and pitfalls with airbrushes, but i have come to DESPISE having to paint with them. Every single session results in an issue, wasted paint, and a complete disaasembly. I ALWAYS take it apart and clean it the best I can before putting it away, in the hope she will be ready to use next time. Never the case. Im done with this cycle. I think I will get a badger 200G or a Neo. I always clean my tools before putting them away, im over the endless problems. I just want to pick them up, and go to town

 

 

Thanks guys!!

 

 Rudy

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Posted by patrick206 on Friday, May 6, 2016 3:33 PM

Rudy -

Just my personal input, but as the user of both a Neo and Badger 200G, I highly favor the Badger. Not to insult the Neo users, they do spray well, but when it comes down to the internal parts there is no comparison between the 200G and the Neo. The Badger is just robust and rugged, my Neo internals simply didn't seem all that beefy.

Have a look at Don's Airbrush website, he shows the detailed parts breakdown of both, you can compare for yourself.

Hope you end up with a happy airbrush relationship.

Patrick 

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, May 6, 2016 4:13 PM

The Badger 200, a single action brush, is particularly rugged.  Mine did go belly up recently- the air valve is inoperative in spite of much cleaning. But, it was 45 years old, and I didn't pay for it anyway- won it in a contest! 

I do have a 150 (DA) that I am using now, but I intend to replace the 200. Re-assembling it after a complete cleaning is simpler than for the 150.  So when I get that I will return to only using the DA when I need super control of low flow.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, May 6, 2016 6:17 PM

I just got a notice for the "Xtreme Patriot 105" from Squadron.

Get a free model!

 

They still charge too much, but elsewhere I see it for $ 80- $100.

I do think dual action is a real advantage.

I got my first one with gravity feed, kind of by accident because it was on sale. Prior the Paasche was siphon feed. I really prefer gravity feed, so much easier to clean up.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Friday, May 6, 2016 7:15 PM

I got that e-mail from Squadron too. Notice how carefully it avoids mentioning what the free model is.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Weird-Oh on Saturday, May 7, 2016 9:08 PM

I bought an Iwata Eclipse after Bill Campbell (the Weird-Ohs creator) told me it's what he uses. I've been very happy with it; much, much happier than the Aztek I started out with. Don't go there.

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