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does anyone search the forums?
Posted by modelmaker66 on Tuesday, June 7, 2016 12:52 AM

Does anyone search the forums any more? It seems that there have recently been a bunch of requests for really broad topics posted on the forums lately. I think that if someone would search the forum archives they would certainly be able to find more than enough on any topic specific or broad that has been answered thoroughly already. I know that is what I have done before posting. I only ask something when it is not sufficiently covered on the past forum posts. 

I think it is that some people are too lazy to do the heavy lifting to look, so they simply post questions then wait for the answers to pour in  to them. It seems though that they are getting poor response now in replies which shows that the community is tired of relying and re-replying to the same questions.

What do you think?

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Posted by Wirraway on Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:22 AM

I would have to agree with you.  I keep seeing topics raised only months after the same topic has been done to death- eg: "what model would you like to see produced", etc, etc. (sorry Rangatron!) Although some people say that it is a good thing to have people posting, no matter what the subject content, I cant agree.  Unfortunately, a lot of the old heads here have moved on, there is no one willing to explain forum ettiquette to the newbies.  I think that generally, people derive some satisfaction from starting a topic, stimulating interest, and generating feedback.  That may be more personally satisfying than hitting search, finding the answer you are looking for, and going away quietly.  It raises more questions than answers, as to what these forums are really for.  Do we just accept it, or say something ?

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, June 7, 2016 7:45 AM

Keep in mind these new folks that come in to join don't know. I say let it be even if it's a repeat topic. The last thing we need is to scare them off and leave.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, June 7, 2016 8:53 AM

The other day I noticed a question posted in one of the forums that appeared right below a thread dealing with the same exact problem.  The poster with the new question had not posted anything in the older thread.  This is not a problem with someone being unfamiliar with FSM's forums- it is someone not understanding the whole idea of online forums.

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, June 7, 2016 9:13 AM

I really don't see a problem.  It seems to me that the correct response in that situation is to simply and politely refer them to the older thread.

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Posted by jgeratic on Tuesday, June 7, 2016 11:03 AM

Don, that is valid thought - could be that some approach the forum as just one giant chat room, and don't realize that there is a lot of categorized information saved from the past.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by templar1099 on Wednesday, June 8, 2016 6:07 PM

I am in complete sympathy with the sentiment, but really, the search function is god-awful.

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Posted by Cobra 427 on Wednesday, June 8, 2016 6:28 PM

Wirraway

 I think that generally, people derive some satisfaction from starting a topic, stimulating interest, and generating feedback.  That may be more personally satisfying than hitting search, finding the answer you are looking for, and going away quietly.  It raises more questions than answers, as to what these forums are really for.  Do we just accept it, or say something ?

 

I only shortened your post for brevity; however you look at it I know that I am guilty of "necro-posting" too, but I only do this because I didn't look at the original post date, or someone else has revived the thread, and I replied thinking that it was new. I understand your frustration, but you can't always see things like this coming. Another things is that some join the forum, and do the same thing I did, or they wish for more information than what's provided, or they wish to ask the person who started the thread a little more information, or comment on what they see as they are very interested, or wish to let their feelings be known too. No matter what way you slice it you'll see this happen from time to time on many forums.

 

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Posted by Revenant on Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:47 PM

...no...

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Posted by Krusty on Wednesday, June 8, 2016 11:31 PM

templar1099

I am in complete sympathy with the sentiment, but really, the search function is god-awful.

 

I search the forums quite often and I find it much easier to just use Google.  Just add "finescale" to the search bar and if there is a post about it, it pops up.  Much easier than the website's search.

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Posted by templar1099 on Thursday, June 9, 2016 4:22 AM

Krusty
I search the forums quite often and I find it much easier to just use Google. Just add "finescale" to the search bar and if there is a post about it, it pops up. Much easier than the website's search


Yea, that's the m.o.

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Posted by Silver on Thursday, June 9, 2016 11:53 AM

Also the skill level ranges from low to high.Asking for help from a medium skill level modeler turns into a huge debate from others in the forum.Helping from a modeler who flew in combat is rare .One day the forum will get better,and get along .Thay are many modelers who are out there that are willing to share ideas that will improve the modeling skills of others.Winning the I.P.M.S. Nationals is nothing compared to helping others.I attended a I.P.P.S. Modeling show one day and the super judges w/their super flash lights made the show stale and unplesent.In my opinion using a flashlight is to say your blind.

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Posted by the Baron on Thursday, June 9, 2016 12:05 PM

Yes, it's not that big a deal, and yes, we can choose to ignore the post or respond politely and not scold the new person.  But I think the admins or designers need to make the info for new people more prominent than it currently is.  Every other forum I belong to has a post of some kind that appears at the top of the page, where it is most visible, with info for new people--"Read this", "Using our forum", "FAQs", and the like.  On this forum, that stuff is at the bottom of the page, and yes, generally, new people and forum old-timers alike tend not to scroll all the way down to look for things like that.

Add to that the factor that some people post things in the General Discussion forum, instead of a more specific or more appropriate forum, precisely because so many people hit it.  So we have questions about aircraft markings, or the best airbrush to use, etc, in the General forum, because, as one recent poster readily admitted, "It's more visible here than in the Painting forum."

Of course, every forum is different, of course, depending on the webmaster, the people who work as admins, and the members themselves.  I belong to some forums where some admins monitor their bailiwicks pretty closely and move posts if they're not as pertinent to the forum, and some where the admin will even contact the poster to let him know why his post was moved.  And in one of the other forums I belong to, the community of members polices things like this for itself, keeping the number of posts in the wrong place and irrelevant to the specific forum at a minimum.

But you'll never eliminate this, so I choose not to think about it so much.  But I can appreciate and sympathize with other forum members who find it frustrating that, because of relatively sloppy thinking when posting, or yes, a bit of laziness, it makes it more work to try to find things.  I understand that they might feel that they're missing things, or, that other areas become cluttered with posts not as relevant to the forum's theme.

 

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, June 9, 2016 2:45 PM

I know I am guilty of this , but it is mainly I love communicating with people , if I have upset people , sorry

 

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Posted by echolmberg on Thursday, June 9, 2016 3:01 PM

steve5

I know I am guilty of this , but it is mainly I love communicating with people , if I have upset people , sorry

 

Ditto.  Lately, however, I've been trying to utilize the search feature more and more lately.  To my surprise, I've actually found the topics for which I was looking.
 
I'm a dad to two young kids so, for me, I'm used to answering the same questions over and over again.  Ha-ha-ha!  It doesn't bother me any and besides...during the course of the new conversation, some new things might be revealed that wasn't during the old one.  
 
We're all here to help one another.  If someone asks a question, I answer it if I can.  I do that in hopes that others will help me out when it's my turn to ask.  You know...karma and all that.  Remember, the only dumb question is an unasked one.
 
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Posted by XF-15DCC on Thursday, June 9, 2016 7:08 PM
Being new to the fourm I have been beating up the search with OK results. One problem I have found is nomenclature or someone calls it an Empennage and someone else calls it the tail of the plane, both correct but different. Either way if you take your time there is some good stuff here! Kevin

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Posted by the Baron on Friday, June 10, 2016 11:48 AM

I'd like to add some images to illustrate my point about how the forum is laid out.

Here's the landing page, when we arrive:

and here's where the forum help info is located, nearly at the bottom of that page:

To illustrate how far down that section of the forum is, I've indicated the position of the vertical slider with the red arrow.  I think the forum architects really ought to consider moving that area up to the top of the page, and more people might see it.  Like I said, pretty much every other forum I belong to, does this.

Would it eliminate the issues everyone has brought up?  No.  But it might reduce the number of occurrences. 

Best regards,

Brad

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