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After waiting 5 weeks, Revell Germany sends me another mold injected damaged canopy!

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  • Member since
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  • From: Boston
After waiting 5 weeks, Revell Germany sends me another mold injected damaged canopy!
Posted by Wilbur Wright on Saturday, June 17, 2017 1:42 PM

Revell Germany  1/48th PBY.  ($100. retail kit)   Original kit canopy mold damaged and unfixable.  I wrote to them to tell them the problem then I wait 5 weeks for part to arrive.  Replacement part is damaged worse than the original damaged part.   ANYONE looking at this part could see it was damaged.  It is the main part to finshing the kit properly.  Now I am going to demand my money back.   This is the wrong way to do business.  Photos of the replacement part I just recieved today....

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Posted by Bronto on Saturday, June 17, 2017 7:26 PM

Have your tried sanding / polish the blemish out?  Seems like it might have been easier to do this from the beginning instead of all the ranting and waiting 5 weeks for a new part.

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Posted by modelmaker66 on Saturday, June 17, 2017 8:31 PM

With all respect, all the complaining you've done here has gotten you nowwhere, and you still are angry so the venting is useless. We have all gotten damaged kits. Sometimes we get satisfaction and sometimes not. It's cercetainly not putting me or probobly most others off from Revell Gremany. I've gotten great kits from them. Just contact the seller, but I doubt you will get a refund and will just have to chalk this up to that's how things go sometimes. Let it go.

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  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Sunday, June 18, 2017 4:27 AM

Hello Wilbur!

I understand you being angry, all this writing and bothering and it basically got you nowhere.

It looks to me as though the sprue system is defective in this mould and plastic cannot get to the part in quantity - it's likely that ALL the parts will look more or less this way.

Now you surely have the right for a refund, but the question is: Do you want to build this kit? If I wanted to build this kit I'd cut out the damaged window and replace it with some clear sheet. In the case of your model this could be done quite nicely. Maybe it would even be worth it to make this window opened?

In any case I wish you good luck with your modelling projects and have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by Wesleycharlessmith on Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:42 AM

Hi Wilbur.  I have gotten poor parts from Revell too only to find out that they dont have replacement parts avaliable.  I agree that it is a poor way to do business.  Others say this is just part of the hobby but I disagree.  If we do not demand quality the quality of the products produced will continue to degrade.  We buy these kits with the expectation that the parts will be in good condition and usable out of the box.  A small amount of adjustment may be necessary but an unserviceable canopy is not acceptable.

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Posted by Wilbur Wright on Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:31 AM

This part cannot be polished , sanded or buffed out.  It is damaged beyond repair from the mold.  I'm an advanced level model builder. The part is like cellophane and the crack is through the entire piece.  I can guarantee you that I will get a refund.

I'll thank the rational answers on here.  The best one being to cut out and replace with clear styrene, which will take hours to get right.  I'm a very succesful business man. A graduate of Harvard and the LSE.  This is pss poor customer service, and when it starts small it grows big.  The number of people in this hobby and it's revenue are in decline, and they have to cut corners to make up shortfalls as prices continue to go through the roof. It's only going to get worse.  Prices wil continue to rise as brick and morter dedicated LHS's go completely extinct.

 

It's likely the whole run has damaged canopies and I am trying to save others from a  $100, kit that can't be built oob.

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  • From: Douglas AZ
Posted by littletimmy on Sunday, June 18, 2017 1:03 PM

Wilbur Wright
The number of people in this hobby and it's revenue are in decline, and they have to cut corners to make up shortfalls as prices continue to go through the roof. It's only going to get worse.  Prices wil continue to rise as brick and morter dedicated LHS's go completely extinct.

I wanted to stand on my soapbox here but thought it would only generate a lot of heat... but no light.

I will say I agree with you 100%  The model railroading community is suffering this fate.

Manufacturing has moved to only making ready to run models and trying to get an actuall kit is now almost impossable.... unless you find what you want at a swapmeet or E-bay.

We must all prepair to pay more for what we want... or get real good at scratch building... Thats how this hobby started in the first place.

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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  • From: Winter Park, FL
Posted by fotofrank on Sunday, June 18, 2017 1:07 PM

What about depicting the panel as battle damaged or simply paint over the blemished pane. Another alternative is to try to find a vacu-formed canopy in the after market.

OK. In the stash: Way too much to build in one lifetime...

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  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Sunday, June 18, 2017 1:47 PM

Hello!

Of course there are ways to work around this problem - and it is a serious issue. But I think in the process, which we were invited by Wilbur to take part in, he lost the desire to build that Catalina and switched to fighting for his right. And he says he's fighting for our rights too - maybe he's even right about that. Should the problem with that clear part be a systematic fault (meaning ALL parts from that mold are damaged), then it really needs attention. Wilbur - good luck whatever your set goal is and have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by armornut on Sunday, June 18, 2017 3:29 PM

I normally DO NOT respond to threads like these however your rant has just got under my skin. Congratulations on being a Harvard grad, concrats on being a successfull business man. Glad that you have the drive to right a wrong that is your right. The question I now pose is.... If you are "an expert modeler" why? WHY? is thus small blemish such a HUGE DEAL for you? Does thus subject hold a signifigant place in your life? Is this a commission build for a veteran or museum? I hate to break it to ya boss but the world IS NOT a perfect place, EVERYBODY, ( my guess even you), make mistakes. This IS A HOBBY it is simply a pile of plactic parts sitting on a shelf that only a few will ever see or appreciate. Build or do not build just quit BITCHING about it.

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Posted by patrick206 on Sunday, June 18, 2017 3:57 PM

I'll toss in my .02, of the Revell of Germany kits I have built in the past few years, they have with the exclusion of one, been flawless. That defective one had a severely short shot canopy, the lower left rear portion. Fortunately it was not inside the frame line, so I was able to scratch build the missing structure with Evergreen stock.

So, all in all I've been very happy with my ROG purchases. But a hobbyist shouldn't have to find these sorts of issues when opening a kit, and if one doesn't have the experience to make a correction like that, the kit becomes just an unsatisfactory waste.

My suggestion is to the manufacturers, use quality assurance checks of say every 100th kit, with a full inspection of the major parts like wings, fuselage, canopy, etc. Otherwise the defective parts just keep getting cranked out, one after another. The modern kits are pricey, someone buying a $100+ kit has every right to expect the quality that those high prices indicate.

The completely inexcusable part of this encounter that Wilbur had, is that when requesting the replacement part due to that flaw, another flawed one was sent. Seriously??? Why would someone representing their employer, simply not take the time to ensure the problem was actually corrected. 

For Wilbur: My hobby shop once rather scolded me for making major corrections to defective kits, saying they wanted me to return them so they could replace them. That way they return the kits to the distributors, and they can make the manufacturers know of the problems they are causing. That's the only way to hold them accountable for quality issues. So go for it, Wilbur. The HS sold it to you, they should take the extra steps to get the problem off of your back, onto the ones that caused this to happen.

Best of luck with it.

Patrick

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  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Sunday, June 18, 2017 4:57 PM

armornut - yup, it's annoying, my first impulse would also be do whatever it takes to build that baby. I'd modify it anyway, can't seem to build unmodified anymore... Then again Wilbur has a point, if we buy every piece of crap companies crank out and pay good money for it, too, what's the point of producing something good? If he wants to invest his time this way I think we should wish him luck and hope the info lands at Revell, and in the right "Abteilung", too. I'm glad I don't have issues like that and am able to concentrate on building. Thanks for reading and have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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  • From: Boston
Posted by Wilbur Wright on Sunday, June 18, 2017 6:24 PM

I would answer you armort nut , then chew  up and spit out your pov, but then I would get banned from this forum after 11 years. The part is unfixable. like cellophane and can't be used. I have every right to report this on this forum. A simple quality control check would have rectified this.  Next time don't respond.

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  • From: Northeast WA State
Posted by armornut on Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:25 PM

Mr. Wright, I would like to apologize for my previous post. I have re read it and the others replys and have come to understand the frustration you are experiening. Everybody has an "off" day, guys today was the day that our paths crossed in a negative way. I really hope that you can get the problem resolved or have your money returned because I agree we all pay ALOT of money for these kits and there needs to be some quality control for sure. Again Wilbur Wright I apologize. Not asking to be friends but the forums are a quiete place and I may have been out of line. Good luck to you sir and I hope to see your PBY here some day. If it happens to be in person I have the first round of your favorite libation.

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:27 PM

Bummer about the replacement part. Quite a shame that Falcon or Squadron does not make a vacuform canopy for this kit.

Sprue Brothers has the kit for $60 though... a bit less than $100... 

 

http://store.spruebrothers.com/product_p/rvg04507.htm

 

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Posted by patrick206 on Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:56 PM

armornut

Mr. Wright, I would like to apologize for my previous post. I have re read it and the others replys and have come to understand the frustration you are experiening. Everybody has an "off" day, guys today was the day that our paths crossed in a negative way. I really hope that you can get the problem resolved or have your money returned because I agree we all pay ALOT of money for these kits and there needs to be some quality control for sure. Again Wilbur Wright I apologize. Not asking to be friends but the forums are a quiete place and I may have been out of line. Good luck to you sir and I hope to see your PBY here some day. If it happens to be in person I have the first round of your favorite libation.

 

Well done, Armornut, your gesture is a pleasant way to restore a friendly and supportive tone, here on the forums. From my perspective I say thanks, for hopefully neutralizing what was becoming a bit toxic. 

Best to all

Patrick

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Posted by armornut on Monday, June 19, 2017 8:32 AM

Thank you Patrick, sometimes I let my alligator mouth override my hummingbird backside. As I said it was an off day and I hold no ill towards Mr. Wright. These forums are a great place to give and recieve information, after some thought I realized I may someday be in his shoes and perhaps his information might be helpful in resolving my situation. Have. GREAT day EVERYONE.

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Posted by Wilbur Wright on Monday, June 19, 2017 9:16 AM

Thank You armornut,

 

My issue with this situation is that they sent me the second damaged part.  A monkey could have looked at it and saw it was damaged. 

As reported before  I had a Revell DE 1/32 spitfire that had major fuselage injection mold damage that I was able to correct. 

However, A canopy is the main thing you see (sight point) on an aircraft model. 

Please  look at my 1/48 Junkers JU-52 on this forum somewhere and see how I treat canopies you will see that I can't accept or jerry-rig a damaged one.

The PBY is likely a 6 month build and a lot of time to get show quality.

 

Thanks Again.

 

 

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Posted by armornut on Monday, June 19, 2017 11:18 AM

It is water under the bridge good sir. I will try to look up you aircraft however I have no doubt it is a masterpiece. As I said after re-reading your post and thinking about it I understand your position, ABSOLUTELY quality should fall hand in hand with customer service and yes the canopy of a PBY is the focal point, ALOT of glass. Thank you for your patience and reserve as well. Good luck and we'll c-ya on the forums.

we're modelers it's what we do

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Posted by the Baron on Monday, June 19, 2017 11:41 AM

Wilbur Wright

...I'm an advanced level model builder...

In that case, would vacuforming a replacement also be an option?

Wilbur Wright

...It's likely the whole run has damaged canopies and I am trying to save others from a  $100, kit that can't be built oob.

I have an older boxing of the -5A in my stash.  It's from the mid-90s, I think.  You've made me curious to have a look and see what that old pop looks like.

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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Posted by armornut on Monday, June 19, 2017 1:26 PM

I to was thinking about a vacu form, WW said the original was as thin as cellophane though. I am curious if the blemish would show up if he made a resin cast for support then vacuformed over the resin cast.

we're modelers it's what we do

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Posted by the Baron on Monday, June 19, 2017 2:36 PM

armornut

I to was thinking about a vacu form, WW said the original was as thin as cellophane though. I am curious if the blemish would show up if he made a resin cast for support then vacuformed over the resin cast.

 

 
Yeah, I was thinking of a master made from wood or from two-part epoxy putty, too.

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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