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Recommendations wanted
Posted by Nucleartestrabbit on Monday, January 22, 2018 8:45 PM

so I’m an army veteran who hasn’t really built models much since I was a kid.  For awhile  I was assembling and hand painting 35mm miniatures for tabletop gaming even though I never really never got into the actual gaming aspects...  recently I bought Tamiya‘s 1:35 Walker bulldog.  Being a former abrams mechanic I’ve always been into armor and this kit really kind of helped put me in the mode to get into it. I invested in an airbrush setup and will be painting it as soon as that arrives...  I also bought the tamiya t-55 kit as my next project.

basically though I’m more into the painting aspects of the hobby then the building...  in The past I’ve shyed away from real modeling because I’ve encountered some pretty daunting kits with all kinds of tiny individual parts to lose or break, or kits where the mold warped so parts didn’t fit together properly, or kits that had poor detailing (the academy abrams I never built comes to mind for all of this).  this stuff really just kind of put me off to it.  The bulldog though was a breeze to build and I’d like more experiences like that.

basically what I’m looking for

-easy builds

-good levels of detail

-I like soviet, American, and German armor ww2 and Cold War era mostly

-I’d really like to know which companies to avoid also (like my bad academy experience, is that typical of them or an isolated incident? Meng? AFV? Italeri? Trumpeteer? has revel gotten better since I was a kid in the 90s)  Like I know dragon and Tamiya are generally pretty good so I want to know which ones are bad if you know hat I mean.

-good quality for the price... like I notice some vast differences in price for similar models in the same scale...  so am I paying for a better quality or am I paying for more parts and details I’m not really interested in anyways?  Like I said I’m looking more for easy builds.  I don’t want to have to assemble an entire tank suspension one piece at a time while having to worry about breaking a bunch of smaller pieces.  

-diorama building also interests me and from what I’ve seen dragon has the best selection of military miniatures and I’ve dabbled in building those in the past but judging from the figures that came with the bulldog there’s a pretty big variation In scale between dragon and Tamiya.  Is this typical?  Like I’m really fascinated by the war of attrition that happened on the eastern front and Tamiya doesn’t seem to have a great selection of soviet figures and I don’t think I saw any for post ww2... Which companies scales match up the best or do you think the differences are slight enough that I can get away with it?

-I also would appreciate any links to good sites for painting reference material...  painting a tank just a straight green would get kind of boring for me but I’d prefer camoflage patterns to be authentic looking to the tanks era/configuration, and if such patterns don’t exist oh well flat color is what you get...

Sorry for the long read...  thanks in advance for any advice.

 

 

  • Member since
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  • From: Fort Knox
Posted by Rob Gronovius on Tuesday, January 23, 2018 12:25 PM

Long post, I warn people not to judge model kits by the manufacturer alone. Instead, look for the best (or skill appropriate) kit of a particular subject. In addition, companies have been reboxing other company's kits for decades. For instance, Tamiya makes an outstanding M4A3E8. The have also reboxed an awesome Tasca/Asuka M4A3E8. They have also reboxed Italeri's 1980s issue M109 and 1990s M109A6 Paladin. There are better versions of the howitzer available from other companies. So chosing Tamiya for one of the best Shermans is good, but not for the best M109. You gotta do some research.

The Tamiya Walker Bulldog is an ancient kit that was surpassed by both Skybow and AFV Club kits around 2001-02. It is still a great starter kit and is rather inexpensive. It looks like an M41 when done.

But if you want the best Abrams tank, be it a straight M1, M1A1, AIM, SEP, etc., you want to chose a company other than Tamiya. But if you are a novice modeler, the Tamiya kits are the easiest ones to build and will look good enough for the casual modeler.

If you want an M88A1, there is only one basic kit that was done by AFV Club and reboxed by Revell. So for that kit, you might want to get the best priced one since the model is the same inside.

As far as price goes, when a new company announces or releases a new tooled kit, older companies with the same or similar kit will quickly reissue their old kit in order to get unaware buyers to select their kit instead of the new kit because it is slightly cheaper. For instance, when Academy released a new M3 Grant and Lee series of kits, Tamiya reissued their really old and not very good kits. Buyers see the Tamiya name and grabbed the old kit off the shelf and left the newer better kit there.

Italeri has some good kits, but many of them are from the 1980s and have been surpassed by more recent versions. They also took over Esci's armor line and reissued these as their own. Some of Italeri's last new tooled modern US armor kits were the M1A1 and M1A2 kits from the mid 2000s that weren't as good as other company's kits.

As far as companies to avoid, there are some eastern European companies that rebox each others kits of obscure early WW2 subjects. They are interesting subjects, but the models are poor and the plastic brittle.

Even one of the current top of the line manufacturers, Trumpeter, started out with very poor motorized copies of Tamiya and Academy kits in the early 2000s. They currently have some of the better Soviet era tank kits, LAVs and other modern vehicles. Their Abrams series has been left in the dust so to speak.

Bottom line, if you are going to spend $40, $50 or more on a model kit, you need to whip out your smart phone and Google a review of said kit. Also look to see what the online price is before forking over bucks at the store.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, January 23, 2018 1:30 PM

I have to agree with Rob on this. It's the same with aircraft kits. There have been so many repops over the years you're going to hear a lot of opinions.

Your best bet? Head over to www.scalemates.com and do a bit of research and make your own decisions.

  • Member since
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  • From: Pittsburgh, PA
Posted by Baratheon on Tuesday, January 23, 2018 1:35 PM

As someone also just starting out, I've thus far had great experience with the two Tamiya kits I've bought. They're relatively simple but are nicely detailed, and cheap too. 

Others can give a better answer, of course, but I get the impression that Meng and Dragon are, based entirely just on what pictures I've seen of them, some of the better kits out there. 

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Posted by Nucleartestrabbit on Tuesday, January 23, 2018 1:55 PM

I actually was eventually going to look into an M88a2 if I could find it.

I actually do check reviews most of the time...  Sometimes there are just way to many options on the market but knowing some of the kits are the same will definitely help...

What about the question about finding reference materials?  I’ve been searching google high and low and haven’t really found much let alone a source that consolidates such info...  like Ive been looking for T55 camo patterns and I’ll find pictures but it doesn’t really tell me if I’m looking at a czeckylslovakian t55 or an iraqi one or what...  I guess that’s part of the issue with being one of the most exported tanks ever.  other then that all I find are other models which I can never be sure how accurate those are.

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  • From: Far Northern CA
Posted by mrmike on Tuesday, January 23, 2018 4:47 PM

A good place to start is primeportal.net for walkarounds of many subjects, they show several T-55's. There are many others; try armorama.com for the AFV painting forum and cybermodeler.com for kit reviews and references.

Mike

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, January 23, 2018 5:48 PM

Welcome and thank you for your service.

Revell has a new M48 kit. It looks really good.

AFV kits are always well designed, but they have a lot of parts and the few I've built take extra care to get the parts aligned.

I have a 1/24 Hasegawa Kubelwagen "Marseilles". I haven't built it but it looks pretty good in the box.

 

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Fort Knox
Posted by Rob Gronovius on Wednesday, January 24, 2018 11:09 AM

Nucleartestrabbit

I actually was eventually going to look into an M88a2 if I could find it.

I actually do check reviews most of the time...  Sometimes there are just way to many options on the market but knowing some of the kits are the same will definitely help...

What about the question about finding reference materials?  I’ve been searching google high and low and haven’t really found much let alone a source that consolidates such info...  like Ive been looking for T55 camo patterns and I’ll find pictures but it doesn’t really tell me if I’m looking at a czeckylslovakian t55 or an iraqi one or what...  I guess that’s part of the issue with being one of the most exported tanks ever.  other then that all I find are other models which I can never be sure how accurate those are.

 

For an M88A2 Hercules, you are sort of stuck. You need to buy one of the M88A1 kits by AFV Club and then hunt down the Legends resin conversion to make it into an A2. There is an older Real Models conversion, but the newer Legends is better. The M88 kit is a more advanced armor model and using a resin conversion is more like graduate level modeling. Not impossible, but truly not recommended for a beginner or someone returning to the hobby after a lengthy absence.

There have been a dozen or so T-55 kits out in the last few years. Most have multiple markings on the instruction sheet. If you ask what version or variant you are looking for (i.e. Czech or Iraqi), someone probably has the proper markings left over and can send you the excess markings and a scan of the instruction sheet.

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