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  • Member since
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  • From: Vancouver, the "wet coast"
Help me with the white paint
Posted by castelnuovo on Saturday, August 6, 2022 8:36 PM

I have a MiG-21 that I would like to paint like this

 

For the red I plan to use Tamiya X-7 Red (or should I use XF-7 flat red?) but the Tamiya white is alway a bit of a pain as it just doesn't cover large areas well, needs lots of coats.

Any recomendations for other white paints? I can use other reds too is you guys think would be better.

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Posted by Eugene Rowe on Saturday, August 6, 2022 9:45 PM

Use Tamiya flat white covers well.  

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Posted by Eugene Rowe on Saturday, August 6, 2022 9:55 PM

Good for cars too! 

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  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Sunday, August 7, 2022 7:34 AM

Have you tried a white primer under the white color coat?

I'll test that for you if you'd like me to.

Sounds like the flat white might be a good alternative too, good advice from Gene.

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Posted by Eugene Rowe on Sunday, August 7, 2022 8:31 AM

Just primer it with Tamiya neutral gray and make sure it is properly thinned .

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  • From: Twin cities, MN
Posted by missileman2000 on Sunday, August 7, 2022 8:39 AM

Tamiya's spray can fine white primer is an excellent primer for under a white finish.

 

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  • From: Western North Carolina
Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, August 7, 2022 8:43 AM

missileman2000

Tamiya's spray can fine white primer is an excellent primer for under a white finish.

 

 

Ditto

I also still have a supply of Model Master enamel Flat and Insignia White Wink

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Posted by MJY65 on Sunday, August 7, 2022 8:45 AM

Agree with the white primer.  Either Tamiya FSP or MFS 1500.  It will make the white coat easy and brighten the red.  

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, August 7, 2022 5:23 PM

Hi;

     For what it's worth. I would prime the plane with the Brightest Flat White I could find.  Then  Clear Gloss or Semi Gloss the whole plane. Mask off and Use a Fire Red or possibly Insignis Red then Gloss over the whole thing. Humbrol Makes a really Outstanding Bright Red as well. Plus the Testors Bright Insignia Red, In the small Bottle. Add one  drop (VERY SMALL) of Insignia White and Mix thoroughly. This Red should do the job too. Test these recommendations from all of us, on Plastic spoons found most anywhere. Make sure the spoons are White plastic! You can use Black for Metallics from Alclad.

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  • From: Vancouver, the "wet coast"
Posted by castelnuovo on Sunday, August 7, 2022 11:14 PM

Eugene Rowe

Just primer it with Tamiya neutral gray and make sure it is properly thinned .

 

This turned out quite well. Nice and simple.

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  • From: Vancouver, the "wet coast"
Posted by castelnuovo on Sunday, August 7, 2022 11:16 PM

Tanker-Builder

 Test these recommendations from all of us, on Plastic spoons found most anywhere.Make sure the spoons are White plastic!

 

Plastic spoons, eh? My goodnes, great idea. One learns something new every day. I always struggled to find testing surfaces.

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  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Monday, August 8, 2022 11:14 AM

The white primer and the white color coat also make a nice undercoat for the red.  You may have read posts regarding this, undercoating red, and yellow as well, with white, to make the red or yellow finish color brighter.

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Monday, August 8, 2022 11:16 AM

Hi, Castelnuovo!

      Listen I got the idea from all the model cars I have built over the years. Model car builders swear by them. Why? because of the Curves and such they give a truer picture of what the paint Or combination of Paints will do on other than Flat surfaces.  Plus you haven't wasted a model or parts of one. I have some Model Mules, Tanks , Cars, Ships and Planes that have been stripped and painted so many times, all the surface detail is almost gone! But Spoons work best. I have even used them with paints like Rust-O-Leum.

      Why? It's a hotter paint than most think!  And The Spoons are by Nature the cheapest Styrene out there. If it works on them, It will work on anything. This is also a way to try different mixes of Lacquers without ruining a model. Any kind or mix of Acrylics too!With the lowly spoon you have Hard edges(The handle area) hard curves, from handle to the bowl and the inside and outside of the bowl itself. Most Model Car builders use the outside of the Bowl. I use all of the spoon. To test for Runs of a mix, unnecessary buildup(at the ridges on the edge of the handles and inside those selfsame ridges) and overall opacity of a specific color or primer.

       If it wasn't so expensive I would've used my Ferrari model I built years ago. So many curves and insets. What an example of paint glory, Yes, even in red!

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Monday, August 8, 2022 11:27 AM

Yeah Tojo!

 When I was doing my last two commissions I was having to buy it by the six pack! So, yep, I have a lot of it too!

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  • From: Central Florida
Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, August 9, 2022 7:54 AM

I love using the small bottle Testors enamels in the basic colors like white, black, red, either gloss or flat. I would use in your case white Tamiya primer, then shoot the white gloss enamel. Let it cure a couple of days then mask for the gloss red enamel that will require light coverage since its going over white. After the paint cures you can use Novus to polish out any orange peel and get a smooth as glass finish. I polished the enamel paint on this Monogram F102 to a super glossy smooth finish.

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