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as a returning modeler a lesson learned

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  • Member since
    April 2023
  • From: New mexico
as a returning modeler a lesson learned
Posted by John3M on Monday, November 13, 2023 12:16 PM

So, I decided to jump in headfirst and set up my shop cleaning out the mothballs. Didn't know moths had balls as a youth always wondered about that. Anyway, I'm back to working in my corner and decided the best thing to do was get a few inexpensive models to practice on. So, what I have discovered is the inexpensive and sometimes cheap older models have poor instructions and the fit well not so good.  I didn't want to spend big bucks like thirty plus dollars on a better car, so my local hobby shop had several dozen boxes of older cars donated and I got several 7-10 $ kits. You know the ones where the instructions have turned brown from age and the box in deteriorating.   I figured they would be good for brushing up my skills. Anyway, I've gotten to the point where I am going to need something of better quality of instructions and fit. My skills with the airbrushing have returned now Im working on a spreadsheet for paint and their appropriate thinners. Unless someone here has already done that??? 

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    July 2003
  • From: On my kitchen counter top somewhere in central North Carolina.
Posted by disastermaster on Monday, November 13, 2023 12:29 PM

I can only imagine what a moth's balls would look like......https://karopka.ru/upload/main/smiles/5/shocking.gif don't really want to know anyway.

My airbrushing only amounts to a dash of this and a dash of that.

 I've always been a dashing modeler so that formula has always brought me what I want.

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
  • Member since
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  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Monday, November 13, 2023 1:30 PM

John3M

...what I have discovered is the inexpensive and sometimes cheap older models have poor instructions and the fit well not so good....

That's as true today as it is for kits made in the 50s, 60s, 70s. You can make an argument that quality is generally higher today than it was years ago.  But it really depends on the brand and the kit.

If you're looking for more reasonably-priced kits from the 50s, 60s, 70s, with good instructions, I would look at Monogram, for 1/48 aircraft, for their 1/35 and 1/32 armor kits, and for their 1/24 and 1/25 scale cars.  I would look at Revell, for their 1/24 and 1/25 scale car kits, for their 1/32 and 1/72 scale airplanes, for their WWII warships in various scales (they designed their kits originally to fit standard boxes, not to constant scale) and in 1/720 scale.  Airfix had a broad catalog, including 1/72 aircraft, 1/72 scale and HO scale armor, as well as ships in various scales, figures both solid and to assemble, and larger-scale aircraft.

Those makers all placed great worth on the quality of their kits, including the quality of their instructions.  Monogram, for example, would produce a prototype of a kit and instructions, then invite Boy Scout troops to come in and build.  That provided a quality control step to the process.  And they included details about the parts.  You could learn a lot about the subject from reading the instructions.

Sadly, companies moved away, generally, from detailed instructions to documents that were basically exploded drawings with little or no explanation of what the parts were.

We've come full circle in some regards, in that some manufacturers do put as much effort into their instructions as into the engineering of their kits.  They produce instruction documents that are more like a Squadron "In Action" booklet.  I think of Eduard, Dorawings, Wingnut Wings, just off the top of my head.

As far as old Monogram and Revell kits go, many of their subjects are still available in more recent boxings.  But I prefer to buy the old, pre-merger issues.  It helps to educate yourself, but a good rule of thumb is to look for the old "white box" releases from the 70s.  You can generally find them cheap on the secondary market, especially if you look for boxes that were opened, which collectors will pass up.  I still buy and build the Monogram airplanes from the 60s and 70s-the P-51B, P-40B, the Spitfire, the Typhoon, the Hellcat, Wildcat, Avenger, Dauntless, the P-39, the large multi-engined aircraft.  You can find them for reasonable prices, they can be built into decent representations of the subject, you can hone your skills on them, and have fun.

As far as contemporary kits go, I like Eduard's 1/48 scale aircraft, and that they will release a kit in various levels of price, depending on the additional items included, from weekend editions to the higher-end boxings with more PE, decals, etc, etc.

And Airfix has been revisiting its catalog and issuing new tooling of subjects it did previously.  The engineering and detailing are improved, taking account of today's modeler's expectations, but without making the kits prohibitively expensive.  I really like the P-40B they released several years ago, for its quality and a price that wasn't too bad.

Others will have tips and their own preferences to share, too, I'm sure.

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

  • Member since
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  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Monday, November 13, 2023 1:37 PM

I'll add, too, that for any kit you think you'd like to build, take advantage of the resources available to us today, and look the kit up on the Internet.  Ask in forums like ours, see if anyone else has build the kit, ask how they liked it, etc.  Look for pictures.  Pretty much every forum has posts on the subject, whether in a separate "New kits" or "Kit reviews" forum, or in the individual forums. And use the old-fashioned method of live contact, as much as you can.  Join a club, go to a show, look for the kit and see for yourself.  There is so much info available to us today, it really can help.

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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    August 2022
Posted by ThanosForever on Monday, November 13, 2023 5:44 PM

I agree 100% with snagging any reasonably priced original boxings of the Revell & Monogram white-box kits. It's almost guaranteed that the parts inside will fit much better, even if they were made fifty years ago, than the parts from the most recent reboxing of the same kit will be. The decals will probably be no good but that's a small problem to deal with in the scheme of things, given how genuinely good and mostly inexpensive aftermarket decals typically are, when the basic model itself will mostly be a joy to build. It's effectively meaningless when a current company brags that they've included some Cartograph decals in a 10th-generation re-release where the parts are warped, shrunken, have horrible connections to the sprue tree, or have the details effectively obliterated due to the production molds being worn out. All that means is "hooray, I just spent $50 on an unbuildable kit just to get the new decal sheet that would have cost me only $20 online". 

Once again Scalemates is the greatest source of information before making these kind of purchases, especially the kit history graph they provide that shows the box cover from the original releases. It shows the subtle changes the boxes go through over time, which is a massive help in determining if you can potentially get your hands on a first-run release as opposed to a later re-lease where the quality of the parts are gradually becoming inferior to the orginal tooling.

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  • From: Forest Hill, Maryland
Posted by cwalker3 on Tuesday, November 14, 2023 11:19 AM

I think deciding what you want to build is more important than the manufacturer. Most of todays companies make quality kits with decent to excellent fit, but they all have their lemons. Once you have decided what you want to build, check out Scalemates.com for all of the information you could possibly want about the kit. Date of release, accessories available, reviews, where you can buy it and much more. Google is also a great reference for finding kit info. I go though both searching down reviews, especially build reviews, as they will tell you the pitfalls of the kit.

 

Cary

 


  • Member since
    March 2003
  • From: Western North Carolina
Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, November 14, 2023 12:57 PM

In box reviews are almost worthless,sure it will tell you about flash,detail,and warpage,but really,you want build reviews or build blogs to see what's really going on with a kit.

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