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When is OOB N O T OOB ?

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When is OOB N O T OOB ?
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 8, 2004 5:45 AM
In a build review of a newly released kit, the reviewer/builder mentioned how he built this kit "right out of the box" & very next sentence read......"I only improved certain parts & replaced a few others with scratchbuilt components."
Now, i ask you.....when is OOB N O T OOB ?
Confused [%-)]
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Posted by upnorth on Sunday, August 8, 2004 6:07 AM
As far as I'm concerned, OOB is whatever you manage to do with whats in the box.

You can reshape kit parts with a file if you need to for better accuracy or fit, but that's about all the flexibility I'll give and still say its OOB.

Unless the instructions give you patterns and expect you to build some components yourself (typical of Pavla and some other Czech manufacturers), then I would say the inclusion of scratchbuilt parts definitely takes it out of the OOB arena.
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Posted by Foster7155 on Sunday, August 8, 2004 6:50 AM
The reviewer obviously uses a loose translation of OTB (or OOB, or OOTB).

upnorth is completely right. Under IPMS rules, improvement to kit parts to improve or add detail, removal of defects, modifications due to poor fit, or repair of parts that are slightly damaged are all allowed. The addition of any "scratch-built" parts takes the model out of the OTB category. The other AM part that are allowed are decals. IPMS made this consession some years ago when everyone realized that kit decals sometimes leave much to be desired.

Enjoy your modeling...

Robert Foster

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Posted by J-Hulk on Sunday, August 8, 2004 8:21 AM
How about going nuts with stretched sprue? That's certainly in the box!
~Brian
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Posted by Foster7155 on Sunday, August 8, 2004 9:36 AM
Stretched sprue used to create an antenna that is shown on the box art, but not supplied, it acceptable. The same with ship railings and radar antennas not supplied, for example. Even using stretched sprue to recreate raised weld seams that were lost due to sanding/filling is allowed. However, scratch-building parts that were not part of the original kit and not shown on the box art, is not allowed (per IMPS rules).

As with any other rule in the world, there are gray areas and in these cases it usually comes down to one thing, and one thing only...the Head Judge's decision.

Enjoy your modeling...

Robert Foster

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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Sunday, August 8, 2004 9:47 AM
I haven't looked at the latest IPMS rules, but the addition of seat belts in Aircraft kits that did not include them used to be allowed under OOB rules. Also, as mentioned, Aftermarket decals are allowed. Way back in the old days of IPMS, anything not plastic was not allowed, period. All of todays multimedia kits with PE & Resin parts would have been disqualified under the old rules.

Regards, Rick
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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Sunday, August 8, 2004 5:57 PM
Personally, I build alotta my stuff SOB... Wink [;)]


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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Sunday, August 8, 2004 6:30 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by BlackWolf3945

Personally, I build alotta my stuff SOB... Wink [;)]


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SOB?

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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Sunday, August 8, 2004 6:53 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Dwight Ta-ala

SOB?


You callin' me names again!?!?! Wink [;)]

SOB = Straight Outta-da Box or Sorta Outta-da Box

Either way, I'm covered...


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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Sunday, August 8, 2004 7:45 PM
Big Smile [:D]Oops! Sorry I was too slow today. Just realized now that it could mean something bad. Big Smile [:D].

I thought maybe you meant...SMASHED OUT from the BOX.Wink [;)]

Hmmm. Should add your definition to my dictionary of modeling terms.Smile [:)]

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Posted by dubix88 on Monday, August 9, 2004 5:30 AM
HEY,
I usually consider oob just building the kit with only the stuff from inside the box, but as i can see there are some aceptions. Ill have to remember that whenever i decide to travel for 4 hours to get to my nearest hobby show in boston or something.

Randy
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Posted by scottrc on Monday, August 9, 2004 8:44 AM
How about this:
MOB: Missing out of Box so I had to build one from scratch!

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Posted by J-Hulk on Monday, August 9, 2004 11:17 AM
I think the key here is if you're building specifically for an OOB category at some contest, then you'd better confirm the rules with the folks who are running the show.

If we're just philosophically discussing what constitutes an OOB build here, then I think we need look no further than the words themselves: Out Of the Box.
Pretty simple, I'd say!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 9, 2004 12:40 PM
IPMS et al have their rules, if you buildin for a show follow thw rules.

If you are doing a kit review you should build the kit not add scratchbuilt parts.
Kit reviews should, IMHO, include nothing that didn't come in the box with the obvious exceptions of paint and glue. that is the only way we as modelers can compare the relative merits of the reviewed kits.

Most of my tanks have antennas made from wire but i still consider them OOB because I used no AM, scratcbuilt, or kitbashing.
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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:52 AM
Out of the box...



Seems simple to me...


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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 12, 2004 3:11 PM
what if you stretch sprue anc go all out on the cockpit? what if you heat up sprue and then smash it into a small sheet and cuti t for seat belts? what if you use a lathe to turn some sprue into new gun barrels?
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Posted by Lufbery on Thursday, August 12, 2004 4:00 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by claymore68
If you are doing a kit review you should build the kit not add scratchbuilt parts.

Kit reviews should, IMHO, include nothing that didn't come in the box with the obvious exceptions of paint and glue. that is the only way we as modelers can compare the relative merits of the reviewed kits.


Agreed. Unless, of course, you are looking for a review that includes aftermarket parts. Smile [:)]

For example, this review of the 1/72 scale Roden Bristol Fighter includes the Part photoetch set in the build. It looks so impressive that I bought the same model and PE set.

I've seen other build reviews of resin conversion sets, or other aftermarket stuff. I think that kind of review has much more value than the typical -- "I opened the box, and wow! this PE set looks great" -- kind of review. I want to know how the parts fit, not just how they look.

Regards,

-Drew

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Posted by nicholma on Friday, August 13, 2004 4:00 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Foster7155

Under IPMS rules, improvement to kit parts to improve or add detail, .....are all allowed. ...... The other AM part that are allowed are decals.


Surely there must be some greater qualification than that otherwise its quite ridiculous. Take the Tamiya Enzo Ferrari kit which is excellent as it is packed then add all the p/e aftermarket stuff thats available to "improve or add detail", then add an aftermarket decal set for all the carbon fibre/kevlar not in the kit and its still acceptable as "out of the box"Question [?]Question [?]Question [?] Surely not

Blackwolf and I have the same view I reckon.
Kia ora, Mark "Time flies like the wind, fruit flies like bananas"
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