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While in the Czech Republic...
Posted by djmodels1999 on Thursday, September 9, 2004 4:10 PM
I just spent a few days in and around Prague in the Czech Repuplic (I highly recommend it to anyone, by the way!) and although I did not do much that was ‘model’ related while over there, I did buy a couple of kits and visited a place called Terezin that a profound effect on me..

Terezin is about 40mins drive from Prague, an old fortress town, meant to protect the North of the country. Within the walls of the fortress lies a complete town, but Terezin also features a smaller second fort, situated less than a mile from the main fortress.

Although part of the fortified line that should have prevented invasion from Germany, the 1938 Munich treaty gave Nazi Germany the right to take possession of the Sudeteland, the mostly German-speaking areas of the then Czechoslovakian Republic, where were located most of those defences. So, Terezin played no part in WWII.

By 1941, the inhabitants of Terezin had been displaced and replaced by a Jewish Ghetto. The smaller fort became a prison where were held (mostly) political opponents of the Nazi regime. Most were from Czechoslovakia but some came from other countries including, of course, neighbouring Germany. Many prisoners sent there were non-Jewish. The Ghetto also counted a mostly Czechoslovakian population but some people came from as far as the Netherlands and Denmark.

The visit started with the smaller fort cum prison. A cemetery now lies before the main entrance of the fort.

We were in turn shown the prisoners’ sleeping quarters, isolation cells (one of them in which was imprisoned and eventually died the Serb whose gunshots ignited what would become the First World War), their shower and laundry rooms, the execution wall, then the guards and officers quarters. No need to mention that the prisoners had the worst lot in terms of accommodation and hygiene…

Just to give you an idea, in the new set of sleeping quarters built during WWII (built by the prisoners of course) some 600 people were at times crammed into a room that’s probably not much bigger than a basketball court. There were only 2 toilets for that many people, and although the glassed roof gave the prisoners some light, it also made the barracks really hot in summer. People not only died there because of torture, malnutrition and forced labour but also because of lack of air and hygiene. In fact, after the liberation in May 1945, from the few survivors, many would still die from typhus.

In contrast, the few SS guards and their commander enjoyed the comfort of spacious apartments, decent food, the presence of their wives and children, a cinema and a pool (also built by the prisoners). Can you imagine that prisoners on their way to the firing squad would be 'paraded' in front of said wives and children..?!

I felt already quite heavy and bad after visiting the smaller fort. But next came the visit of selected spots and museums in the former ghetto. Terezin ghetto was a concentration camp. Jews from various countries were sent there, to await their transport to other camps, the so called ‘death’ ones such as Auchwitz. In total, over 150,000 Jews transited via Terezin. Very few survived. Most Jews sent to Terezin were ‘allowed’ to self-govern themselves. Special ‘Terezin’ money was even printed for them, and they were allowed to work for the German war effort, if only by repairing uniforms and making boots. Cultural life was not really encouraged by the Nazis but nevertheless, hoping for better days, art activities were organised and schools were set up. Over 15,000 children lived at a time or another in the Ghetto, between 1941 and 1945. Those kids wrote poetry, stories, drew and painted ‘telling’ the lives and homes they had lost while moving to Terezin, recording life in the Ghetto and laying their hopes for the future. Broken futures for most of them.

Amazingly, thanksfully, many of those drawings and poems were kept and hidden from the Nazis and ‘surfaced’ after the liberation. Those are now on show in that town, and the story they tell is simply very hard to ‘swallow’...

Knowing that men were tortured and killed in the smaller fort was bad enough but thinking of all those very young lives wasted away was just too much. So much in fact that the town retains a very special atmosphere and remains to this day very much a ghost town.

Thinking of those kids and of their SS guards makes me sick. What can turn humans into beasts that send kids to their death..?Angry [:(!]

I felt sick and ashamed of having built models of Nazi weapons, in particular tanks and military vehicles that I painted in SS markings. Truly, those have been few and far between, because I’ve never had any admiration for the SS at all, knowing some of the other atrocities they committed during WWII. Most often, I’ll represent a Wermacht or a Luftwaffe vehicle if I can.

I know similar things could be said about probably most armies throughout WWII and history. I do not think I can just stop building models of military airplanes, ships and vehicles, because I remain interested in history, in the ‘technicalities’ of those weapons, but after this visit of Terezin, I do not think I can again look at model with SS markings with the same kind of interest.Disapprove [V]

Is this stupid of me? What do you think..?


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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, September 9, 2004 7:02 PM
I don't think so... visiting something like where you went can have a profound affect on someone. I visited the Holocaust Museum in Dusseldorf, Germany for about half a day when I was in the Navy. The factories outside the town during WWII used a lot of slave Jewish labor for the war effort. After going there it stuck with me for several months. A pensive, almost heavy mood hung over me while I digested what I saw and learned. Seeing the pictures, reading the stories (the doctor I flew medevac with was fluent in German so he translated) really gave me a lot to think about, to reevaluate. I had seen all the war reels, read the books, etc... but to see this museum was almost unreal... there was a 'tour' guide of sorts, more of a volunteer I think, who was a concentration camp survivor and just the scars on his arms and legs told a story...

Just seeing the numbers on the placards of killed by Nazi hands was numbing, millions upon millions of Jews, dissidents in the 10's of thousands, around 8,000 catholics (I never knew that till I went there) that's bigger than a LOT of towns near me! Imagine an entire town killed... then multiply that... it would be like the cities of Los Angeles, New York and Houston being killed off in a 6 year span.... the list goes on and on and on.....

They had a special section on the SS there... and to think so large a group of madmen ever managed to exist, might less at the same time, is staggering. They showed the torture instruments, talked about the human experiments at the hands of SS doctors, human "trophy" pieces from the dead... (I forget what the name was, but he had a lampshade of human skin made for a gift to his wife) They had the lamp there in the museum... Their classfication system was so well planned it had to be diabolical. The colors and shapes of the armbands these groups were forced to wear made them an easy target for someone who might feel a desire to round up a group of <insert class of people here> that day (there were countless subdivisions to each class of undesirable). And that's how little it required for one to suddenly be in a concentration camp. At the whim of an SS officer, even someone 100% German and true to the Nazi party could find himself in one of these if he crossed the wrong person.

I understand some of what you feel, and maybe you will or won't build another SS model in your life... but you were changed by where you went, probably for the rest of your life... And again, no you are not silly....

---Tom---
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by upnorth on Friday, September 10, 2004 2:18 AM
I've never taken a great intrest in WWII German subject matter in the first place, and usually when I do build a model of something created by Der Furher's war machine I try to find it some markings that represent a satelite state or just come up with something hypothetical.

The Czech Republic has more than a few sad stories in its history. The first place I visited when I got here to Brno was Spilberk Castle. For more than a century, until some point after WWII it was known as the "Prison of Nations" It housed criminals, disidents and such from all over Europe in some extremely ugly conditions.

www.spilberk.cz/eng/

The Casemates are open for viewing and there is a museum about its prison years, from the days of the rack and thumbscrews to the SS using it in WWII as a prison.

From the period drawings and maintained torture devices of old the the human skin bound book in the SS display, you get a real sick feeling in your gut for what humanity can find itself capable of in its darkest moments regardless of ideologies and so forth.

There is another sad story revolving around SS activity in these lands, it surrounds a town called Lidice. The web site tells you about that unthinkable action.

www.lidice-memorial.cz

Puting the shoe on the other foot, after the end of WWII, most of the Germans and german descended Czech in the Sudetenland were rounded up by the Czech army and marched across the border into Germany and forbidden to return. It was a long march and the Czech soldiers commited a good number of attrocities along the way while escorting the crowd.

That event caused a great deal of bad blood between postwar Germany and Czechoslovakia, but as I understand it, shortly after Socialism fell, Germany and the Czech Republic signed some sort of mutual appology treaty to put the event in the proper past tense for both countries.
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Posted by J-Hulk on Friday, September 10, 2004 9:27 AM
Not stupid at all, Domi.

While I haven't had a moving experience like you did that drives home the horrors and injustices of war, I have certainly looked at my collection on more than one occasion and realized that most of what I've built is designed to kill and destroy, whichever side was operating it.

I think it's just something that each of us as individuals have to come to terms with, and if a subject bothers you (such as SS stuff), then don't build it.
~Brian
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Posted by zokissima on Friday, September 10, 2004 10:46 AM
I do no think how you feel is stupid at all. It is actually easy to see how such a profound experience can have an impact on you. I thank you for the sharing of your vacation, and feelings. I do have to comment on one thing, however:
QUOTE: (one of them in which was imprisoned and eventually died the Serb ‘terrorist’ whose shots started the First World War)

We have had political discussions in this forum before, and they led to no good place. The event in question is but ONE factor that led to the outbreak of the First World War. I must bring objection to your comment, as it was not the only, nor most significant factor, and the fact that you mentioned him being Serbian, I find offensive. I know that your intentions are nothing of the kind, therefore do not apoligise, as there is no need for one, but only pay a little more attention to general comments like that, as they may easily be misinterpreted.
But in any case, water under the bridge, and no harm done. I thank you for your retelling of your experience. It sent chills down my spine, reading your first-hand view of this place.
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Posted by djmodels1999 on Friday, September 10, 2004 1:05 PM
Zokissima,

My command of the English language is not as good as it should, and I accept that my comment may be taken the wrong way. The event I mentionned is commonly regarded as the 'excuse' that led various countries into what became known as WWI. You are absolutely right in saying that it was not the main reason for war, far from it.

In any case, to all of you, thanks. It was good to share this experience, just by writing it down here.
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Posted by KJ200 on Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:57 PM
DJ the feelings that such sites evoke are natural, and more importantly positive. If we forget our history, and let's face it the history of Europe in the 20th century particularly, is a base and tangled tale, then we have no future, for we will merely repeat the mistakes of the past.

While I empathise with your wish not to build SS vehicles, i believe that models of such vehicles should be viewed for what they were, masterpieces of engineering, misused by a madman. The same could also be said of many Red Army vehicles, especially when one considers the inaction of the Red Army before Warsaw in 1944.

It's a question of not just building the plane, tank, warship etc, but understanding it's context in history, good or bad.

Thanks for sharing what must have been an extremely disturbing experience DJ.

Karl

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Posted by lolok on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:16 AM
I'm an English guy now living in warsaw poland and literally every street corner here has a plaque or memorial to the crimes committed there by SS and ordinary german soldiers. Strangely the plaques always say " on this spot **** polish citizens where murdered by Adolph Hitler" he started it and he takes the blame. Poland is one big memorial to the Nazi's experiment in social engineering.
yet one of the best model shops here is run by a german guy and it is opposite the most notorious SS/Gestapo prison in eastern Europe THE PAVIAC.The crimes there rival anything the imagination can think of.
Jim Ryan Ex-Pat Limey in warsaw.Poland. " MENE,MENE,TEKEL U PHARSIN"
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