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The Do's and Don'ts for Model Competitions and Shows -- Contribute Your Experiences

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Monday, May 23, 2005 9:06 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jinithith2

hey, congrats man!
are there any pics on this forum?
Thank you. I had doubts about entering because the level of competition at regional shows is normally higher than at the local (one club sponsored) level. I am a firm advocate that anyone who builds builds good enough to enter into shows. So I decided to bring a couple of my latest kits that were actually completed. No photos yet, I did not take any at the show and my camera is not the greatest for taking close ups. I do plan on shopping for a better digital camera in the next few weeks.
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Posted by Manic Moran on Sunday, May 22, 2005 10:56 PM
I have yet to enter into an American competition, but have had quite a lot of fun with the Irish Model Soldier Society.

I think the first thing is that we took things a whole hell of a lot less seriously in Ireland. We were probably more of a drinking club that happened to make models. Indeed, the most looked-forward to part of the competition weekend was the military/modelling table quiz in the pub the second evening. (Believe me, if your club doesn't do one, you don't know what you're missing)

Secondly, the categories were fewer in number. I was looking at photos from Seattle, and I couldn't believe the specialisation. We had, for example: "Aviation: Small scale" (1/72 and smaller) and "Aviation, Large Scale" (1/48 and larger). We did have seperate categories for Artillery and Armour. One for each. A fun category was 'Pot Pourri' which was anything which didn't really fit in any other category. Thus you would find civilian cars, ships, subs, trains, and Science Fiction. (The only exception I can recall offhand was a specific sub-group for Irish prototype models, which I guess is forgiveable)

Thirdly, we didn't have an entry fee. The only requirement was that you were a paid-up member of the club, which covered the costs. You could enter as many models as you could bring. It made a more impressive display for the visiting public (Who weren't charged, if memory serves)

Pretty much everyone ended up judging something. Frequently more than one category. The catch/benefit is that, of course, you could only judge a category in which you haven't entered. Thus you probably have absolutely no idea about what the hell it is that you're judging. There were exceptions: For example, I never entered large-scale aircraft though I always had a small-scale selection entered. But I also found myself judging things like Flats and figureines. I can't tell them apart by scale, let alone anything else about them, but at least it prevented me from saying things like "That's not realistic. Roman legionaires only ever used crow feathers for their plumes, not hawk. I shall dock him points" and instead we simply concentrated on our impressions and 'Does it look convincing? Has the modeller achieved what he set out to achieve?', which to my mind is the most important part.

There was also a little competitionette at each monthly meeting. Winner usually got a free pint or something. (And we knew it would be at the annual show/competition so knew what to beat!)

I always got my jollies just from the display and watching the public's reactions when they look at my models. If they happen to win something, fantastic. If not, I'll just try again next time. It sets a goal and entices me to a higher standard, but isn't the end of the world.

A good trick for winning, incidently, I picked up from Model Railoader: Enter into a category nobody else has entered! Surprisingly effective...

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Posted by jinithith2 on Sunday, May 22, 2005 8:43 PM
hey, congrats man!
are there any pics on this forum?
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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Sunday, May 22, 2005 8:39 PM
I went to my first show of the year yesterday. It was an IPMS regional show and the biggest show I'd particpated in. I did several local IPMS shows when I lived in New England but our regional was always too far for me to want to bother (8 hr drive).

I only brought two kits, nothing spectacular since I had just started working on them in Feb. One didn't place (real full category) and the other won third place in the conversion category (bergepanzer). I doubt anyone in my local club knew which kits were mine since I hadn't brought them to any club meetings. Any of the local judges wouldn't have known who I was since I'm still new to the area and this was my first time seeing any of the other clubs in the region.

I'm satisified I received a fair evaluation from the judges. I think my non-winning kit was better than my winning kit, but that category had 20+ entries and the conversion category had maybe 10 entries. That's the way contests go.

At the awards ceremony, many modelers came up to me and congratulated me. I am always surprised at how many people recognize me by name from my participation at sites like this, Armorama, M-L, etc.
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Posted by jinithith2 on Sunday, May 22, 2005 7:47 PM
jees jtiley, talk about a helping hand!Big Smile [:D]
Well, I'd take an extra 20 dollar bill along to bribe I MEAN! to buy the extra kits from vendors of course!
joking obviously...
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Posted by maddafinga on Thursday, May 19, 2005 11:46 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jtilley

One non-winner kept up a stream of letters for about three months; at one point he threatened to report the museum - and the judges - to the authorities. He started cooling off when he was informed that no such authorities existed.



That was one of the funniest things I've read in a while, it actually got an out loud chuckle out of me. Amazing the way some adults will act sometimes.



QUOTE: Originally posted by jtilley

If we had heeded every suggestion we got, some competitor in the 1985 competition would have gotten a letter reading: "Congratulations! You've won the second place medal for an unpainted semi-scratchbuilt full-hull fully-rigged plank-on-frame model of a nineteenth-century sailing vessel with a prototype length of over 100 feet, built to a scale between 1/96 and 1/64 out of wood with hand tools by an amateur - outside a bottle."




This is the runner up for funniest thing I've read in a while. Great post JTilley! I look forward to hearing more from you down the road.
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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:44 PM
Duke - We'd be more than happy to have you. I should mention, though, that the club takes a hiatus during the summer. That wasn't my idea, but it seems that lots of the members take lengthy vacation trips. After this coming Saturday's meeting, the next one will be on the last Saturday of September.

I like the idea of having an "exhibition" table for non-competitors. I recall one slightly ironic aspect of the old Mariners' Museum competition. It was touted as one of the most prestigious in the country (somebody called it "the olympics of ship modeling"), but some excellent professional modelers were reluctant to enter it. They expressed several lines of logic. Some shared my opinion about the dubious validity of competitions in general. Others were concerned that if they didn't win first-place medals they'd lose clients. I had to sympathize with that position. These guys were making their livings from their models. They were more than happy to show their work to the public, but they had reservations about submitting to a judging process.

Another concern I have about competitions is that they sometimes tend to stifle originality and personal taste. Other posts in this thread have described how certain organizations adopt certain styles and interests, based on the tastes and habits of the members of the organization. I can remember getting extremely frustrated when I brought ship models to IPMS contests twenty or thirty years ago. Scarcely any of the judges had any idea what a decent ship model looked like - but oh, brother did they know their aircraft and armor. No ship model had a chance in those contests. The judges were unlikely to look at it.

As I understand it, one extremely prestigious European ship modeling organization, Naviga, bans weathering. Any model with weathering on it that gets entered in a Naviga competition is automatically disqualified. (Caveat: I haven't seen any written statement on this point from Naviga; I'm speaking on the basis of second-hand information.) That sort of thing strikes me as utterly counter-productive. Again, if other people want to let such groups dictate their modeling styles that's their business, but I have no interest in any organization that operates like that.

I like to look at models, and I like hanging out among modelers. I feel no compulsion to decide that one model - mine or somebody else's - is better than another. I reserve the right to change my mind (if somebody offers an around-the-world cruise or a new Rolls Royce as a prize in a model contest I just might enter), but my inclination at this point in my life is to forget about model contests.

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Posted by Duke Maddog on Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:12 PM
Just a simple reply to Jtilley's post: I agree. Therefore, one of the things our IPMS club does when hosting the Orangecon Regional Contest is to provide a table for non-competitive exhibition. That way, anyone who wants to display their models without competing may do so, while still enjoying the show.

Maybe someday I'll be able to go to the club meeting at the North Carolina Maritime Museum. It sounds as though it is alot of fun.
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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:06 AM
AH1WSnake started this most interesting thread with an invitation to share personal experiences and views. I'll take the liberty of joining in from the perspective of one post-middle-age ship modeler. My mindset is, I guess, rather similar to Blackwolf's. I used to enter lots of model contests, but I no longer believe in them. In my opinion they've done at least as much damage to the hobby as they've done good for it.

About 35 years ago I was one of a group of folks in my home town who formed a local IPMS chapter. (The IPMS was relatively young in those days; so was I.) One of the first things we did was set up a series of regular competitions. They practically wrecked the club. The bad feelings between judges and competitors, and between winners and losers, drove some people out; those who stayed divided into armed camps that barely spoke to each other. I was as guilty as anybody else. Eventually I took a deep breath, realized what a fool I was making of myself, and went on to other things.

I ought to acknowledge that the Mariners' Museum ship model competition in 1980 had a good bit to do with getting my professional career on track. Shortly after that contest I got a job at the museum. Among my responsibilities was writing the rules for the next contest, which was set for 1985. In an effort to make it as good a contest as possible, I sent out a form letter to all the folks who'd entered the previous one, soliciting suggestions. Some - most - of those people responded courteously, intelligently, and constructively. The letters I got from some of the others (a minority, to be sure) constituted the most conspicuous exhibition of egotistical and downright babyish behavior I've ever seen from a bunch of alleged adults. I came close to sending back another form letter consisting of two words: "Grow up."

A particular bone of contention was the number of categories the next contest ought to have. Everybody, it seemed, was irritated that his or her model had been "forced" to compete against models of different types, periods, scales, materials, etc., etc. If we had heeded every suggestion we got, some competitor in the 1985 competition would have gotten a letter reading: "Congratulations! You've won the second place medal for an unpainted semi-scratchbuilt full-hull fully-rigged plank-on-frame model of a nineteenth-century sailing vessel with a prototype length of over 100 feet, built to a scale between 1/96 and 1/64 out of wood with hand tools by an amateur - outside a bottle."

I left the museum in 1983. I was invited to be a judge in the 1985 contest, but wound up in the hospital with a bladder stone at the crucial time. (Fate works in strange ways.) I did serve as a judge in the 1991 competition. It was a fascinating but frustrating experience. The three judges (one from Massachusetts, one from DC, and me) worked three full-time days on it. The models included some of the finest I've ever had the pleasure of seeing; it was a privilege to get such a close-up look at them. One big problem was that there were so many of them - about a hundred. The first thing we had to do was make a sweep through the whole group and rule most of them out of contention. That really bothered me. People had brought their models literally from all over the country and beyond - and most of them got excluded on the basis of about five minutes' attention from the judges. But we didn't have much choice. That process took half a day. We had a total of three days to work; we were taking leave from jobs and families, and the museum was paying our hotel bills. After we had the list of serious competitors down to about thirty, we spent two and a half more days picking the winners - and spent our evenings in the hotel going over the notebooks the modelers had submitted. By the time we got done we were making notes on the fact that the 1/64" photo-etched lettering on the dashboard of a naphtha launch contained a misspelled word. (The guy left out the first H in "naphtha." We gave him a gold medal anyway.) In any such event there's bound to be disagreement, but the winning models certainly were outstanding.

The judges, in the interest of self-preservation, got out of town before the winners were announced, so the museum staff had to take the brunt the reactions from the non-winners. Once again, there was a great flood of indignant correspondence and phone calls. One non-winner kept up a stream of letters for about three months; at one point he threatened to report the museum - and the judges - to the authorities. He started cooling off when he was informed that no such authorities existed.

Since then I've become a big booster of non-competitive exhibitions. Mystic Seaport Maritime Museum sponsored one a few years back. Modelers were invited to bring their models to the museum on a certain date. The judges examined all of them and identified all those that met a certain standard of research, scale fidelity, and workmanship. The museum then put all those models on public exhibition for several months. No model in the exhibition was identified as superior to any of the others; the public was simply told that all of them were excellent models. That strikes me as a remarkably civilized and sensible way to operate.

I now belong to a ship model club that meets at the North Carolina Maritime Museum, in Beaufort. (The next meeting is this coming Saturday, May 21, at 2:00; if anybody reading this is in the neighborhood and would like to stop by, we'd be delighted to see you.) I, at age 54, am one of the younger members. (That worries me a little.) When we set up the organization, ten years ago or thereabouts, we all agreed that it would have nothing to do with competition of any sort. Every May, in conjunction with the museum's Wooden Boat Show, we put on a public exhibition. The club members bring in their models, and the museum displays them to the public. We set up a background and photo lights, and take pictures of them. Members volunteer to man a booth in which kids, for $3.00 apiece, are invited to build models of fishing trawlers. (Average construction time: 15 minutes. Typical reaction to the experience: pride and ecstasy.) I can't recall hearing a single non-civil word pass between members of the organization. The members have a huge variety of interests, ranging from experimental radio-controlled power plants to 1/700 plastic warships. Everybody has a great time, we've all made new friends through the club, and I think it's fair to say that all our modeling skills have improved.

I suppose it's conceivable that somebody, some day may hold a competition that I'd like to enter. But at this point in my life I doubt it. I think I have a fairly realistic appreciation of my own models, and those of other people. A trophy won at a contest frankly doesn't mean much to me at this point. I don't feel like I need a judge - who may or may not know the subject better than I or the other competitors do - to tell me which models are better than mine; I'm perfectly capable of figuring that out for myself. And if by chance I do win something, I know I won only because Donald McNarry, Harold Hahn, and various other people, whose models are far superior to mine, didn't show up.

This post has gone on far too long. I know some folks get a great deal of satisfaction out of model contests, and it's not for me to say they shouldn't. I'm not suggesting that all model competitions should cease to exist. I do think, though, that the concept of the non-competitive exhibition is worth a look.

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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Sunday, May 1, 2005 9:05 PM
Thanks for everyone's contributions. Within the last two months, I have been to my first two contests, but just as a spectator so far. I was just kind of checking them out to see how things work, and I got to see some really great builds, too. It gave me some inspiration to get my projects going this summer so that I will have some "enter-able" stuff ready for the fall shows. Thanks again for sharing all of your experiences.

 

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Thursday, April 28, 2005 6:20 AM
I brought a Polar Lights Spider-Man kit to a local NE show a couple of years ago. Al Lafleche (above) took first place in the category, but since there were only three entries in the fantasy figure category, my mediocre Spider-Man kit brought home third place.
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Posted by ajlafleche on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:11 PM
Depends is right. My club has always charged a dollar a model/dio or collectio (judged as a unit). Other fees are 5 for the first 5 and a dollar each after ward (in this case a single model is $5, 5 are still $5, but from then on it averages a dollar each) The frst 3 for $5, etc. IPMS Regional convention in Nrew England/New York are usually $15 for the first 3 (higher cost of a 2 day event) and the Nationals may be $25 plus IPMS membership. In 02 at Viriginal Beach it was for unlimited entries but in 04 in Phoenix, it was fro 3 of 4 entries. (Much higher cost for a multi day event at a world calss venue.) CHeck the flier/website for details.
Never be afraid to enter. The only criteraon to enter, whether a small local event or the Nationals, is being able to afford the entry fee. (Well, that and IPMS membership at the Nationals.) You never know how well you'll do. You could be rewarded for being in a small class and take home an award. At an AMPS event, you're judged to a standard, not based on what else shows up, so you stand a good cvhnace, especially in the novice category, of coming home with a medal. Having your work on the table will give you a chance to be criticqued by more experianeced builders. Ask someone as I said before. If there's time, corner a judge after the event and ask for pointers, with the understanding that he will be pointing out shortcomings as well as what you've done well. By enbtering, you're also helping the sponsoring club to keepthe event going.

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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:37 PM
Alright, here's a question- what's a ballpark amount for the usual entry fee? I figure it depends on the event and what you're entering. Large 1/72 Aircraft? Thanks. Smile [:)]
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Posted by bud156 on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:42 AM
Thanks John. Those are good ideas, I'll try 'em and see what I can find
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:39 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by bud156

A few of you have a good begining to what would be an hilarious independant film! I asked before what it takes to start an IPMS chapter. I need 5 IPMS members to get a charter. That seems like a lot. Considering I only know about 5 people where I live because I'm new to the area. I've tried hangin out at my LHS, but the owner is kinda different. He's into the R/C stuff more than the modeling. He has no idea if there's a club here in La Crosse, but he said he knows for sure there's one in Rochester, MN about 1 1/2 hours away. I checked the IPMS site and the club locater confirms that that's the closest. Anyone have any idea's on how I can make contact with my fellow modelers in my area? One more thought, are there independent clubs or other major groups other than IPMS? Thanks for your help!


None of this may work, but ...

Post a flyer in your LHS, at the post office, mall, etc -- see if you can get some folks out of woodwork that way (We have no LHS within two-hours drive; nothing from others).

You could contact IPMS (main office or director of chapters) & see if you can get a list of members in your area (I did & found I'm the only one in two-hour drive).

You can try that club 1-1/2 hours away & find it's worth the trip. I finally settled on an IPMS chapter about 3 hours away & really enjoy it. So once a month wife & I load up the car & off we go, sometimes we make a weekend of it.

If nothing else, contact that club & see if any members do live near you.

Good luck,
John
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Posted by ajlafleche on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:45 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by lizardqing

. The first couple of meetings no one really showed up but it has started to take off now. never hurtd to ask the LHS owner, it is a way to draw some buisness to his place after all.


By all means. A store owner would be foolish not to support people becoming more involved withthe stuff he sells. If he doesn't have teh sapce to offer, certailny he has a bulletin board or wall space for a flyer and you could meet at your home initaily and if the group grows move on to a library or church hall. An IPMS charter is certainly not required to form a club. If you start planing events, however. it's a really good idea due to th increased publicity and insurance provided by the national.

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Posted by lizardqing on Monday, April 25, 2005 8:11 PM
You could do what we recently did in my area. When the Hobby Town opened up, me and one other guy had discussed it before hand and talked with the owner. He allowed a print out to be placed at the counter and around the model kits as well as a sign up sheet for people to find out more. The first couple of meetings no one really showed up but it has started to take off now. never hurtd to ask the LHS owner, it is a way to draw some buisness to his place after all.
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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Monday, April 25, 2005 10:14 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by bud156

A few of you have a good begining to what would be an hilarious independant film! I asked before what it takes to start an IPMS chapter. I need 5 IPMS members to get a charter. That seems like a lot. Considering I only know about 5 people where I live because I'm new to the area. I've tried hangin out at my LHS, but the owner is kinda different. He's into the R/C stuff more than the modeling. He has no idea if there's a club here in La Crosse, but he said he knows for sure there's one in Rochester, MN about 1 1/2 hours away. I checked the IPMS site and the club locater confirms that that's the closest. Anyone have any idea's on how I can make contact with my fellow modelers in my area? One more thought, are there independent clubs or other major groups other than IPMS? Thanks for your help!


There is a relatively new armor modeling society called Tank Factory or T-Factory. They recently welcomed a new chapter in Madison, WI. Again, I do not know your distance to Madison. Here is a link to the T-Factory website: http://www.tfactory.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=49092&page=1
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Posted by renarts on Monday, April 25, 2005 9:34 AM
There is nothing that says you can't start your own club, because afterall, what is a club other than an association of modelers that like to gather to share ideas, techniques and show off their work to each other. A large association like IPMS has a larger draw because of its numbers. i.e. more members, more sharing of ideas. They publish a newsletter that personaly I have never been impressed with and have gotten more from sites like fsm,lem and armorama than the information presented there. As for any other benefit, other than a network of groups to sponsor shows and network information regarding those shows there are little. The local hobbyshops will sometimes give a discount to clubs, but because of the plethora of internet warehouses and the use of online shops and e-bay, they fail to see the advanage of offering a 10% discount or more to guys who will come in for nick nacks and doo dads and use the internet to order their bigger purchases. So any LHS dscount is up to the owner and he may or may not apply that to any club, yours or IPMS. Since you don't have to be a member of IPMS to enter and win or trophy a show, there is no difference there to being a member of a larger organization. As I see it, the primary benefit of large association like IPMS is their perceived draw, identifiable presence and their size. They can sponser large venues like regional shows, national shows etc, which means a larger draw of people and just as important, vendors. This is a big asset in my book and an important one.
The organizational networking of large groups will allow individual chapters to get their information out to a larger "audience" making a larger participation from surrounding chapters. Other chapter members even chipping in to help at the show to make it a better experience for all. If you start an independent group, you will appeal to only your group and depend heavily on your members to not only supply the models but to advertise and do all the work at the show. You will no doubt get plenty of participation if the LHS helps you advertise but after that it will be slim.
A couple of the LHS's here have their own "clubs" and they have informal meetings to do much the same thing as happens at IPMS meetings. A group of guys, with interests in a hobby gather at the shop after hours to show off their builds, finished or in progress, and generally yak it up about kits, news, their jobs, shows, etc. One group that I participate in actualy has the stipulation that at every meeting, you have something to show, new kit (so everyone can look in the box) or in progress, or finished. No slackers, no 30/70 (30% entertain the other 70%) everyone that attends has something. Its a great time.

Good luck with what ever you decide. The important thing is that you have a group that likes to model and gets along.
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Posted by bud156 on Monday, April 25, 2005 8:32 AM
A few of you have a good begining to what would be an hilarious independant film! I asked before what it takes to start an IPMS chapter. I need 5 IPMS members to get a charter. That seems like a lot. Considering I only know about 5 people where I live because I'm new to the area. I've tried hangin out at my LHS, but the owner is kinda different. He's into the R/C stuff more than the modeling. He has no idea if there's a club here in La Crosse, but he said he knows for sure there's one in Rochester, MN about 1 1/2 hours away. I checked the IPMS site and the club locater confirms that that's the closest. Anyone have any idea's on how I can make contact with my fellow modelers in my area? One more thought, are there independent clubs or other major groups other than IPMS? Thanks for your help!
Mike
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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Monday, April 25, 2005 6:53 AM
Hmm... Thank you much! Big Smile [:D]Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:52 PM
Mike, you can also simply request that the model not be judged. I've done that now and again...


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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:25 PM
No, Lucien they don't exist. However, they do have special "display only" tables at contests.
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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:31 PM
All great stuff, funny, informative, and sometimes both!

Alright, now, showing what little I know about this sort of thing- I'm assuming there's a difference between contests and shows. I have some stuff I would like to show off, but I pretty much figure it's not going to win anything. (That sort of thing happens when you only have about four models under your belt.) If I could just enter it in a show with no judging, that'd be great. These things do exist, right? Blush [:I]

If anyone's been to the show/contest (I think) in Kalamazoo, MI, and can affirm that event's set up like that (just a show), that'd be awesome.
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Posted by lizardqing on Saturday, April 23, 2005 6:34 PM
One that I have not seen yet is if you wear a hat, watch the brim of it when you lean in for a closer look. I've seen my own stuff broken from that happening.

I have had pretty decent results by afterwards asking the judges what I could improve on. Little things that I never thought about that really made a difference were brought to my attention that way.
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Posted by renarts on Friday, April 22, 2005 9:11 PM
Do go with an open mind and a willingness to learn, no matter how good you think you are.
Don't expect anything. Shows are full of surprises. Some good, some disapointing.

Remember this is art. One man's art is another man's grafitti.

If you see something you want, buy it. You went to a show that will no doubt have vendors with stuff you think you may want. Save your pennys, take them with you, buy it. Don't wait to come back hoping it will be cheaper later or that you'll find something better. Or you'll order it online from a seemingly cheaper place. Its there, you can see it, smell it or lick it if you want to. Don't give yourself lame excuses, like my wife won't like it if I bring home another model, or I already have 8 of these. Again, you saw it, you liked it, you wanted it, buy it. How many rings, necklaces earings or shoes does your wife have?How many Butterick patterns or beanie babies or pieces of horse equipment?Or take her to a strip club explaining you were thinking of a new hobby and this was a good place to start. She'll probobly buy you a hobby shop. If you have 8 now, one more won't mean a damn thing. Buy it if you want it. You're an adult, you work to have money for stuff like this. If you are debating whether or not to pay the light bill or buy a model, you have much more serious problems than one more kit, find a new hobby or get a life. (or learn to build by candlelight, a definite asset during hurricane season in Florida...Wink [;)])

Network, ask questions and take your time going through the exhibit room. You'll learn something, make new friends and probobly have a good time. If you are going for the competition, remember, the winner is just the guy who was the best of the worst that day, and the guy that beat you, probobly had one more rivet than you. Thats why its a competition and not a trophy collection center.

Enjoy yourself.
Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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  • From: Pominville, NY
Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Friday, April 22, 2005 7:35 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Jim Barton

Sounds like you speak from experience...Big Smile [:D]

Yessir, everything related in that bit actually happened and there was surprisingly little embellishment on my part. If you go to enough shows with the right (or wrong) buncha guys, you get to experience a wide range of... events. Most of them fun... MOST. Wink [;)]

Oh, and I must say for the record that I was NOT the fella who locked his keys in the car... Tongue [:P]

I was gonna include the story about Zippy the psycho janitor... but it's a bit long and perhaps that's for another thread on another forum...


Fade to Black...
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Posted by Jim Barton on Friday, April 22, 2005 6:39 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by BlackWolf3945 Take 2

Before I get into this, I want to say that there was a time when I had the mindset to build for competition. Without going into the whys and hows, I no longer think that way. I build to please myself and place a model on the table at a show to do just that... show it.

If only one person gets a kick out of seeing it, then I figure my job is finished. I don't build for judges or to impress anyone other than myself. Heck, I've got higher standards than most so that's enough of a bill to fill...


Anyhoo, I've got some random thoughts on some general model show dos and dont's...


Upon arrival at a show, never let your excitement and emotions override your reason and thought process, lest you lock your keys in the car while it's still running. Especially when you've just spent four or more hours on the road...

Whilst travelling either to or from a show, NEVER set out to investigate the effects that high-speed transit over badly maintained railroad tracks will have on the built-ups in the trunk. Especially if you're in a Maui Blue '92 Sunbird or Maroon Lumina with snow-shovel scars on the hood and trunk lid...

Never decide on a whim to make a 90° right-hand turn from the far left lane on a one-way street with built-ups or other living beings in the vehicle...

When someone in the vehicle says to the driver 'stop here', they usually don't mean RIGHT here RIGHT now...

(This one is for new, relatively inexperienced or otherwise less-capable drivers) Before venturing out to a show on your own for the first time, make sure that you learn the dos and don'ts of parking lot navigation beforehand...

If you are a dealer, NEVER do 'the right thing' and turn down an idot a dipshi... lunatic misinformed soul who offers you ten times more than a kit's value... perceived or otherwise...

Never play a game of football IN a parking lot at a show during winter, especially when the temperature is low enough to alter the physical properties of the pigskin...

When attending a mall show, always make sure that your club name badge is prominantly displayed while going to get lunch at the food court; this can sometimes confuse the help at Arby's, making them think that you are an employee at the mall, thus scoring yourself a discount on your meal...

If you happen to go out to lunch and wind up at a fast-food joint which has the employees screened behind solid glass that looks like it'll stand up to a GAU-8, reverse course and depart the scarfing establishment IMMEDIATELY...

NEVER order the following beverage at the Slaughter Hog Burger King across from the show... Half Coke, half Sprite, no ice. This will confuse the hell outta the genius behind the counter and keep him/her/it staring at that dang keypad for eons because there's most likely not a picture of that particular beverage anywhere on said keypad...

If you are in the club that is running the show, make sure that the money box is not left unattended on the floor near a doorway which is very close to an exit from the building... for more than an hour...

If you are in the club that is running the show, make sure that you walk around surrounding yourself with a self-important god-like aura and make sure that others know 'who's running the show', 'in charge' or otherwise in a position to exert their grand authority. You make LOTS of friends by doing this... (this one isn't supposed to be funny folks)

Always check your six (and the rest of the clock for that matter) before making rude comments about a model, lest the builder be lurking about in your general vicinity...

Never go around with a tube of superglue, sabatoging models with unsightly glue marks in order to gain an advantage or to exact revenge or just because your'e an ass. This is a good way to ensure that a missing person report gets filed by your spouse or other family member... (this one ain't funny either... far from it...)

You usually won't need sunglasses IN the showroom, if you catch my drift. So remember, all those folks with little model-geek penlights may look stupid and may be annoying, but they use those things for a reason...

If you have to sneeze at a show, always direct it AWAY from the models on the table... especially while judging...

If taking part in the judging, try to prevent the 'BEST UNITED STATES AIR FORCE AIRCRAFT' award from going to a Dutch Air Force F-16...

(This only applies when in Albany, NY) Upon hitting the road for the return trip, make sure you gas up at Abdul's Petrol Palace where the gas is cheap and the Arabic lessons are free...

Don't start a foodfight in a Pizza Hut during dinner after the show...

On late-night return trips from Regionals in Pittsburgh at, say... 3AM, while stopping for survival juice at Arby's, don't try to scare the first guy who makes it back to the car by using the remote start... it usually works and can lead to a nasty accident involving a steaming-hot beverage...

While on the previously mentioned late-night return trips from Regionals in Pittsburgh at, say... 3AM, another way to stay awake besides survival juice is to put on an impromptu concert for your fellow freeway flyers by cranking the tunes (preferably 'Radar Gun' by the Bottlerockets and Metallica's cover of 'Tuesday's Gone') and practicing a little air drumming on the steering wheel and air guitar with the seatbelt... all under a maplight light-show...

NEVER travel with a guy who plays three FREAKIN' hours of bagpipe music on the way to or from a show...

Since we're mostly guys here... a good way to pick up the waitress at dinner after the show is to ask for half Coke half Sprite but to make sure that the Sprite is on the bottom 'cuz that's the way you like it best... well, you may just get a funny look...

If you're leaving a model show in Cleveland and wanna go to dinner and see a reenactment of the 'ole Saturday Night Live Italian Restaurant skit... drop me a line and I can recommend just the right place...


I'll see if I can think of more 'True Action Modeling Adventures'...


Fade to Black...





Sounds like you speak from experience...Big Smile [:D]

"Whaddya mean 'Who's flying the plane?!' Nobody's flying the plane!"

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  • From: Massachusetts
Posted by ajlafleche on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:55 AM

First order of business at a model show/contest is “Have fun.”

To the etiquette question about touring models, even those which have won. Read the rules on the flier or website. Some shows allow only models that have never won to be entered, but this is rare and hard to police. Most disallow previous winners at that event to participate. Some allow regional or national winners, some don't. Whatever the organizers say is fair for their event.

Next, bring whatever you want and can afford to enter. You never know what else will show up as competition. If this is your first event, in all likelihood, there's going to be a lot of stuff better than yours. Some of us have a quarter century of competing under our belts.

Don't drop your models off and go for an outing for the rest of the day, unless it's a two day event. You'll learn a lot from hanging with others.

Remember this is competition, some people are going home with awards, some aren't. As the song Stacker Lee reminds us, "Use your money, learn to lose."

Don't hover anonymously around your model or try to promote it. Someone without the gift of tact may make disparaging, hurtful remarks about your artwork. If you do overhear someone wondering how something was done, share your techniques. You’re about to make new friend. If you see something really good, try to find the builder and gain a mentor.

When the organizers ask for help with judging, offer your help, even if you've never judged before. You can be considered as an apprentice of to be getting on the job training. Your eyes are as good as the next person's and you get to look at models a lot more closely than just walking by and you’ll see what judges look at. I guarantee you'll improve your skills. It’ll make the day go by faster, too.

Even if you opt not to judge, remember, these guys are tasked with choosing the top three models in each class. That means they'll be looking for flaws among some really good stuff to make those decisions. If there are four great models in a class and three places, one great model is not getting an award. Conversely, in another class, there may only be 3 poor models and all of those will get awards. You'll likely see flashlight. Not every venue has great lighting. (I went to a regional once where people had to bring in table lamps and even then, there were spots where the entire table was in deep shadow.)

While there may be some disreputable judges who reward their friends, this is not the norm. A show that developed such a reputation would not survive. You need people from the outside to make these events financially doable. What you may see as a "newbe" is the organizers, awards presenters seeming to know a lot of the people getting awards. This is a natural development of doing/attending these shows over a period of years. You get to know people from all over the region. Also, the people attending are likely developing skills more than the person who has never competed.

Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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