underaged modeller?

It just goes to show how much freedom is being taking away from all of us.I remember as a kid I could buy anything that I needed for bluiding a model without the ues of an I.D.
Digger

This is an interesting Topic................Over here in Australia or at least here in Brisbane you have to be 18 to by a can of spraypaint, this is to stop the teenagers from inhaling and getting high on fumes and also an attemp to minimise the amount of graffiti thats all to common these days, But i think that model paints and glues are available to all ages.........
as far as gun laws go they are very strick, after 30 odd people were gunned down in Port Arthur all semi automatic rifles and shotguns were banned totally, even pump actions are banned.....To own a single shot bolt or lever action you must be licensed and prove ownership of an approved gun safe...Pistols are even more srtict, you have to be a member of a gun club (which you have to attend at least once a month), have an approved gun safe and the weapon is only to be transported in a portable lockable case to and from your gun club, You have to apply for a gun license at any police station where they check all your background information...the whole process usually takes about 3 months............
Needless to say that IMHO a pshyco with a scoped up hunting rifle can do just as much damage as a pshyco shooting an assault rifle from the hip..........

QUOTE: Originally posted by Tankmaster7 My LHS guys ask no questions when i try to buy paint but if they did id throw the paint at their wall...

and get arrested for disorderly conduct?

that's bull$#!t. with trash laws like this im going to do my best to do something harmful with those paints!!!!! (jeez just kidding) I'm in NY which is the WORST state. (17 to drive!!!!) My LHS guys ask no questions when i try to buy paint but if they did id throw the paint at their wall...

Hey Joe,

It's ALL politics! The right to bear arms is actually a good bit of politics as it allows people to demonstrate responsibility, while the law IDing people who buy paint and alcohol is an intrusive law that undermines people's accountability. Have any of the anti-drug or intoxication laws actually worked? Are less people getting intoxicated?

I've always found it strange that you can buy beer at the Texaco or Safeway in the US, but have to be 21, while in Canada you can buy alcohol at 19 (18 in Alberta and Quebec!) but usually have to buy the booze at a government liqour store. I finally figured it out, though. The US thinks you're not responsible until you are 21, though my personal opinion is closer to 30 (), so as a responsible person you can easily access alcohol. In Canada they say your old enough to drink (big difference between that and being responsible) but you're not responsible enough to buy alcohol from anyone else but Big Brother. I wonder which is better? There are about the same percentage of alcoholics in both countries...

folks i hate to say anything good about walmart but they are acting logical. they are protecting their butts by carding for underage consumers. the law states they must card for those who appear under the age of 18. that is what they have to do. lawmakers passed the laws due to the increased use of paints to get intoxicated. problem being they slapped all paint products in the same batch. as for alcohol if you appear under the age of 35 you by law must be carded. it is politics that allow guns and ammo to be purchased by those under the age of 18.


joe

HOLY S$$T you need to be 18 to buy one crummy bottle of paint?! Where I live in Canada they couldn't less if you were an 8 year old buy that sort of stuff what the he!! has the world come to. And the paint was acrylic to boot

things just seem to go in cycles
back about 35 yrs ago i (we ) used to go through the same thing with glue
then testors came out with this non-toxic lemon smelling glue
non toxic and non stick

Seems to be Wal-Marts policy. Me being over 18 (im 20) find it ridiculus to have to have a manager come over and card me and scrutinize everything before they will ring it up. Screw them and go to the hobby shop and you'll ghet your paint no questions asked.

man, i can almost foresee the day when scale modeling will be outlawed due to that we use sidecutter and Xacto knife plus harmful lacquer based flammable paints...

QUOTE: Originally posted by Dragonfire Want to hear something that really doesn't make any sense...pocket knives, nail clippers, and lighters are banned from being carried on board aircraft (per TSA regulations) but knitting needles (both wood and metal) are! Someone explain that one to me.

How about the fact that you can buy nail clippers etc during the inflight duty free shop!

Want to hear something that really doesn't make any sense...pocket knives, nail clippers, and lighters are banned from being carried on board aircraft (per TSA regulations) but knitting needles (both wood and metal) are! Someone explain that one to me.

Don,

A 16 year old can purchase a shotgun in Arizona, California, Illinois, and Washington (I know there are more states than that, especially down south) as well as ammunition. For a rifle, 18 years old; for a pistol, 21 years old. There is a background check done and a 10 day waiting period (CA) for shotguns and rifles, and 30 day waiting period for pistols.

Carl

Don-Have you flown lately? If you're a drinker, airport lounges card EVERYONE-it's kind of flattering 'tho. But you make a good point; don't shoot the messenger-clerks are just covering their bottoms.

Whoa fellas!
You cannot blame the drinking age on law makers. . .it was put to a vote by the people and the ones that could vote at 18 obviously didn't.
And if you know of a place where you can buy a weapon and ammo at 16, I'd like to hear of it.
I am way too old to be asked for ID to purchase anything now, but remember when I needed my parents to buy my model glue. . .and that horrid lemon smelling stuff that wouldn't hold anything together.
Sure it may be stupid and it may be the biggest hassle in your life to show you are responsible, but it isn't the clerks fault, it's the law.
Get on your Congressman or Senator to earn his keep!!

Don

I went to Hobby Lobby today to buy some CA. There was a sign posted that said you have to be 18 years of age to buy any CA. A drivers licance or ID card would have to be presented. When I went up to the check out I asked the young lady if she needed to see any form of ID. She asked why and I told her I was over 18, so could I still buy the CA, even though the sign said I had to be 18. She just looked at me and started to laugh. I don't know if she broke store policy but she let me buy it.

QUOTE: Worse yet, you have to be 21 to get a drink.

I never got it. 17 years old are old enough to be executed... Too much of the puritan heritage lingers, I presume.

QUOTE: At the risk of being labeled as off-topic, that's what happens when a society accepts the erroneous assertion that weapons are the cause of violence. Violence and crime, whether committed with gun, knife, bludgeon, fist, or sharpened stick is born in the heart and mind not in the hand. Sorry, off an a quick rant, taking deep breaths, regaining equilibrium....

I think you are wrong in this issue. Just look at the facts: in the US you can buy easily weapons of any kind, and the crime reate committed with guns, pistols, assault rifles, whatever just soars compared to the rest of the "civilized" world. In Europe you don't see school massacres, drive-by shootings, etc. (Just recently I guy was killed in Kentucky on an argument about the war in Iraq... Instead of a nice barfight, they drew guns.)
Yes, weapons don't kill people. But if many people have access to these things, bad things tend to happen. There are enough nuts running around everywhere. But here, the difference is that they have guns. (If you look at it, it's not much different from the AK-carrying Afghans...)

i dont really care. its no problem in my area, and besides, this is the kinda thing i would sepnd the bucks on to get a fake ID. i buy model stuff enough.

NEways....actually, i saw down in a shop in NJ that in order to buy paints you had to have a card or something. they were spray paints though. i just assumed that it was because of grafitti (it was in northern NJ) but now that you mention it, i suppose thats another reason for it. but like i said, for this, i would get an ID no matter what.......

QUOTE: Originally posted by zokissima Wow, what a thoughtful, logical system you guys have down there in the States. Holy cow, what the HELL is this world comming to. You can buy a gun and ammo at 16, but you can't buy paint until 18. I'm just dumbfounded...

Worse yet, you have to be 21 to get a drink. But you can be trained to kill at 18 (either behind the wheel or behind a trigger). In NY state alone, there was an additional 800+ laws passed in the last year. This is what happens whyen people get scared and politicians and lawyers feel like they have to do something to make it look like they are doing something. Whatever happened to Personal Responsibility?

I had the same thing happen to me at michaels. I put the paint back, went to the NSLHS and bought the same paint, cheaper, and no questions asked. Still havent figured this one out

QUOTE: Originally posted by Bgrigg Originally posted by trowlfazz You can make a bomb from ingredients found at your garden center. Coming next: a ban on 'pointy things'. Don't laugh, but I heard they are trying to stop the selling of pointy kitchen knives in Britain. The claim is that there is no real good reason for a pointy knife in a kitchen environment. At the risk of being labeled as off-topic, that's what happens when a society accepts the erroneous assertion that weapons are the cause of violence. Violence and crime, whether committed with gun, knife, bludgeon, fist, or sharpened stick is born in the heart and mind not in the hand. Sorry, off an a quick rant, taking deep breaths, regaining equilibrium.... my favorite headache/current project: 1/48 Panda F-35 "I love the fact that dumb people don't know who they are. I hope I'm not one of them" -Scott Adams Reply zokissima Member since July 2003 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posted by zokissima on Tuesday, August 9, 2005 9:41 AM Wow, what a thoughtful, logical system you guys have down there in the States. Holy cow, what the HELL is this world comming to. You can buy a gun and ammo at 16, but you can't buy paint until 18. I'm just dumbfounded... Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 9, 2005 5:45 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Bgrigg Trowlfazz, have you not flown recently? There IS a ban on "pointy" things... Yep! They wouldn't let me carry my lucky sling blade on the flight. Reply Edit ajlafleche Member since December 2002 From: Massachusetts Posted by ajlafleche on Monday, August 8, 2005 10:45 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spongya77 Yesterday I had to present my ID at Walmart buying a small bottle of Testors Acryl paint. One more reason to avoid Wally World Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. Reply Bgrigg Member since May 2005 From: Left forever Posted by Bgrigg on Monday, August 8, 2005 10:31 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by trowlfazz You can make a bomb from ingredients found at your garden center. Coming next: a ban on 'pointy things'. Don't laugh, but I heard they are trying to stop the selling of pointy kitchen knives in Britain. The claim is that there is no real good reason for a pointy knife in a kitchen environment. I have an old set of pointy knives in a knife block easily accessible on the counter. My wife and children are lectured that if somebody breaks in to the house when they're home that they should run to the kitchen. First, there is a phone there that has 911 on speed dial, and secondly to grab a knife! Trowlfazz, have you not flown recently? There IS a ban on "pointy" things... So long folks! Reply grandadjohn Member since February 2003 From: phoenix Posted by grandadjohn on Monday, August 8, 2005 9:56 PM Some laws make no sence, but local ordinance have to be enforced by the store owner. In Phoenix spray paint(beware the paint police and they do exist here) must be kept behind the counter or in locked case's(because of tagging), but cross the street in a suburb and they don't have the same law. We also have an age limit(over 18) get I knew the kid buying the paint was going to use it on the model he just bought. Likewise you can be 18 and openly carry a handgun on your side, but you must be 21 to buy it. Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 8, 2005 9:35 PM You can make a bomb from ingredients found at your garden center. Coming next: a ban on 'pointy things'. Reply Edit Bgrigg Member since May 2005 From: Left forever Posted by Bgrigg on Monday, August 8, 2005 9:30 PM Gee, isn't that why we do this hobby? Seriously though, pretty wacky rule. We have a similar one in BC where if you buy a herbicide (regardless of age) the clerk must call over her supervisor who will ask if you understand the dangers of herbicides. I always express shock, then point at the (prominent) skull and crossbone on the label. Having a 20-something clerk advise me, someone who has been killing dandelions longer than they've been alive, on the dangers of weed killer is laughable. The Nanny State is in full bloom. A recent case in Rome, Georgia had 49 convenience store clerks arrested for selling coffee filters, kitty litter, aluminum foil and charcoal. Apparently these household objects can be used to "cook" methamphetamine. While I certainly don't condone the use of drugs, especially ones as scary bad as meth (ryhmes with death), expecting store clerks to evaluate a person's intent and deny kitty litter to a citizen is a bit overboard. Watch for bootleg paint sales at a street corner near you. So long folks! 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