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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Saturday, December 3, 2005 1:17 PM
 roadkill_275 wrote:

 Hippy-Ed wrote:
Now that is interesting to hear. I've heard there were  Pearl harbor survivors who  actually met the attackers some 50 yrs. later.  I guess it was  "just doin' a job" and, many did not hold a grudge.

 

Ah, but some do. I lost several members of my family (actually my grandparents did) Too this day, you don't mention Japan or the Japanese in front of some of my family members without getting a seriously heated debate going. And people wonder why I quit going to family reunions!!



Granted. There's always going to be  some who hold anamosity towards the Japanese [for PH] over the loss of family members. (There's a few in my family too) Yet, there were many "participants" from both sides who have come  face to face many years later at the 50th (?) Anniversary. They sat down together and discussed what had happened, shared their memories, etc. A very emotional time which, no doubt had some "heated discussions".
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Posted by roadkill_275 on Saturday, December 3, 2005 1:08 PM

 Hippy-Ed wrote:
Now that is interesting to hear. I've heard there were  Pearl harbor survivors who  actually met the attackers some 50 yrs. later.  I guess it was  "just doin' a job" and, many did not hold a grudge.

 

Ah, but some do. I lost several members of my family (actually my grandparents did) Too this day, you don't mention Japan or the Japanese in front of some of my family members without getting a seriously heated debate going. And people wonder why I quit going to family reunions!!

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Thursday, December 1, 2005 7:47 PM
Now that is interesting to hear. I've heard there were  Pearl harbor survivors who  actually met the attackers some 50 yrs. later.  I guess it was  "just doin' a job" and, many did not hold a grudge.
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Posted by djrost_2000 on Thursday, December 1, 2005 6:03 PM
My Dad's best friend was a missionary kid in Africa during WWII.  He and some family members boarded a freighter to the US during the U-boat's "happy time". 
       They were sunk west of Africa and survived on a square wooden raft with about 19 others for 3 weeks until being picked up by the HMS Vimy.
         In the '70s my Dad's best friend researched it all with Kriegsmarine records and he was able to pinpoint which U-boat sunk his ship based on date and general location.
       In the early '80s he contacted surviving members of the U-66, having no war animosities or vindictive motives.  He hit it off quite well and was made an honorary member of the crew and stays in touch with several of them to this day.

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Posted by Bgrigg on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:47 PM
 qtaylor wrote:

I'm wondering, how does a torpedo hit a lighthouse?

 

Back to the original point, yes, I find it very impressive how detailed some information we can access from the German side is, considering the state of the country, and particularly its capital, at the end of the war.  It's not like the USSR spent the next 40 years digging up material to help the Western model builder!

QT



Answer is....it doesn't! Probably why they moved on. They were probably upset with Canada interning the Japanese.

The Germans were (and are) sticklers for lists. They documented everything and managed to keep most of it intact. To their dismay during the Nuremburg trials.

So long folks!

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Posted by qtaylor on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:30 PM

I'm wondering, how does a torpedo hit a lighthouse?

 

Back to the original point, yes, I find it very impressive how detailed some information we can access from the German side is, considering the state of the country, and particularly its capital, at the end of the war.  It's not like the USSR spent the next 40 years digging up material to help the Western model builder!

QT

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Posted by mfsob on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:14 PM
Speaking of unexploded bombs - anyone here remember that dramatic series "Danger UXB"? from about ... 30 years ago? It was set in England during The Blitz and revolved around a Royal Engineers unit whose job was to try and defuse unexploded bombs; while some of the plots - and acting- were cheesy, it was still pretty close to what the engineers who had to learn their trade on the job went through. A very Darwinian process that sends shivers down my spine just thinking about it.
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:31 AM
 roadkill_275 wrote:

"To this day, they still find unexploded bombs in my neighborhood. Actually, they found two 500-pounders this past summer about 500 meters from my apartment."


With that said, this was on Yahoo news today:

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051127/ap_on_re_as/japan_wwii_bomb


Interesting, huh?


very interesting. Thanks Roadkill!Shock [:O]

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Posted by roadkill_275 on Sunday, November 27, 2005 6:46 AM

"To this day, they still find unexploded bombs in my neighborhood. Actually, they found two 500-pounders this past summer about 500 meters from my apartment."

 

 

With that said, this was on Yahoo news today:

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051127/ap_on_re_as/japan_wwii_bomb

 

Interesting, huh?

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:15 PM
 David Voss wrote:
"Fear the unmanned lighthouse."  Laugh [(-D]
 

They were a Menace to Society... LoL... The IJN sub may well have been the same one that hit the west coast. I also watched "California's Gold" on PBS awhile back & they did something on this subject.
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Posted by David Voss on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:45 AM
"Fear the unmanned lighthouse."  Laugh [(-D]
 

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Posted by Bgrigg on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:43 AM
An IJN I-boat fired a single torpedo at a unmanned lighthouse at Nootka Sound on Vancouver Island BC. I wonder if it was the same boat?

So long folks!

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Posted by David Voss on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:34 AM
 roadkill_275 wrote:

 Hippy-Ed wrote:
Just for you youngins, The US Mainland was attacked on at least 2 occasions in (I believe) 1942 A Jap sub fired torpedoes at the oilfields in Goleta,Calif. and, a sub-launched aircraft lit the Oregon Forest ablaze with firebombs.

Also an IJN I-Boat lobbed a few shells at the oil refinery at Santa Cruz Ca.


Really?  I didn't know that.  Learned something new today.

Going back to earlier comments, isn't it true that they're still finding ordinance from WWI & WWII in Europe?  I imagine that some of those unexploded artillery shells and bombs can bury themselves deep into the ground with force with which they hit the ground.

After wars are fought, I don't think either side focuses much on "cleaning" up the area once it's over, or do they?  Whatever was done after Operation Desert Storm and all the Iraqi military equipment was destroyed?  Does anyone ever go clear out all of that stuff or is it still sitting there?

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Posted by roadkill_275 on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:49 AM

 Hippy-Ed wrote:
Just for you youngins, The US Mainland was attacked on at least 2 occasions in (I believe) 1942 A Jap sub fired torpedoes at the oilfields in Goleta,Calif. and, a sub-launched aircraft lit the Oregon Forest ablaze with firebombs.

Also an IJN I-Boat lobbed a few shells at the oil refinery at Santa Cruz Ca.

 

Speaking of the bombing of Japan. It's surprising that there were any records at all. Tokyo and most of the major cities underwent some of the most intense firebombings in history. There were also a few firebombings in Europe, can't forget Dresden.

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Sunday, November 20, 2005 9:48 PM
My grandfather was a Marine during WWII in the Pacific & assigned to a MC Squadron as he specialized in Aviation Electonics. I can't find his records since there was a fire at the Military Personnel Records Center in St. Louis,Mo. All I could get was a basic reference of dates in & out.
Just for you youngins, The US Mainland was attacked on at least 2 occasions in (I believe) 1942 A Jap sub fired torpedoes at the oilfields in Goleta,Calif. and, a sub-launched aircraft lit the Oregon Forest ablaze with firebombs.
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Posted by qmiester on Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:50 PM
Another thing you have to remember is the fact that the people who lost the war started destroying records as soon as that fact became clear to them (and in some cases because if those records were found, they would most likely be executed because of them)
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Posted by J-Hulk on Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:23 AM
 DURR wrote:

i could understand if they found those bombs after all this time on one of the tiny island areas or a sparsly populated mountain area but isn't they city you live in a fairly large city with major population

Yup, Osaka is a huge city with a population of six million people.

 

ps i had sent you a few jokes did you get them and if you don't want them let me know

Didn't get 'em, DURR! I'd like to see them. Please try again!

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Posted by dkmacin on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 4:28 PM
General useless info:
They are still finding UEB in the Aleutian islands some US some Japanese.
While walking around Adak Island in the mid 90's several GP Japanese bombs were found by guys on my crew.


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Posted by DURR on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:59 PM
 J-Hulk wrote:
 DURR wrote:

even japan would or should be fairly close too considering not too much of their mainland was destroyed

 

Just for your info, DURR, a great deal of the Japanese mainland was "destroyed" in WWII. Most of the major cities were bombed beyond recognition, not to mention the two cities completely wiped out by atomic bombs.

To this day, they still find unexploded bombs in my neighborhood. Actually, they found two 500-pounders this past summer about 500 meters from my apartment. Scary.

The point is, a lot of Japanese records were indeed lost to bombing during the war.

 

wow

i could understand if they found those bombs after all this time on one of the tiny island areas or a sparsly populated mountain area but isn't they city you live in a fairly large city with major population

with all the urban development in thehigher population areas one would think that all the bombs be long gone

that is amazing 

ps i had sent you a few jokes did you get them and if you don't want them let me know

well  i learned something here also about japan and in this case i will have to add them to the german side of my statement because they

had some very precise records of aircraft 

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 12:59 PM
The Japanese Army was still basically a foot army during WW2 with very little mechanization. Their entire armor production during the entire span of the war probably produced fewer tanks than the US produced just M4 (excluding other variants like the M4A1, M4A2, M4A3...). Markings for the vehicles fielded were probably semi-standardized, but there aren't great propaganda photos of huge columns of IJA tanks rumbling through the countryside. Most of those armored vehicles saw service abroad and I doubt a lot of them redeployed back to the mainland.
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Posted by J-Hulk on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 12:46 PM
 DURR wrote:

even japan would or should be fairly close too considering not too much of their mainland was destroyed

 

Just for your info, DURR, a great deal of the Japanese mainland was "destroyed" in WWII. Most of the major cities were bombed beyond recognition, not to mention the two cities completely wiped out by atomic bombs.

To this day, they still find unexploded bombs in my neighborhood. Actually, they found two 500-pounders this past summer about 500 meters from my apartment. Scary.

The point is, a lot of Japanese records were indeed lost to bombing during the war.

~Brian
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Posted by DURR on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 12:36 PM

this is only a statement not fact nor opinion 

what i find interesting is the record keeping of the various military powers during wwii

in particular the germans .what i mean is

the americans could keep records of who had what tank ,or aircraft it was easy our mainland was never attcked so records would be 100%.

even japan would or should be fairly close too considering not too much of their mainland was destroyed

but i find it amazing that german records are intact as they are considering that major chunks of the country were blown into the next world

how this relates to this forum i think is about the decals(markings) that  are avail. for the models

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