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Posted by cassibill on Thursday, February 12, 2004 12:08 PM
I you some testor tube glue, the liuid cement and the clear parts stuff. I also have the testors pen. I use whatever CA I happen to get. The new bottle is a different brand and I haven't tried it yet.

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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:56 AM
MEK!!!

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Actually, I'm a Tenax dude...


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Posted by Bossman on Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:43 AM
Ambroid Pro-Weld. Someone described it to me as having the same active ingredient as Testors orange tube - without the thick carrier fluid. I still keep testors orange on hand when I want a slower dry time, but I love the Ambroid stuff for joining fuselage halves and whenever I want (or in some cases - need) a quick dry time. I also keep some testors clear parts clue for... clear parts !
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Posted by djrost_2000 on Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:17 PM
For most plastic construction I will use Testors in the funny bottle and Testors tube. I'm thinking of trying out Tenax.
For some applications I use Zap CA.
When I want a strong bond, or for large joints I'll often use Epoxy.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 9, 2004 3:28 PM
I use several types, depends on what I'm building or the parts being added. Testors in the tube, I still use it for some things. I use liquid, CA , white glue, and once in a while 5 min. epoxy.
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Posted by qmiester on Thursday, February 5, 2004 6:49 PM
My basic glue is Pleximent (methylene chloride). Its the same thing as IPS Weld-On #3. I used to be able to buy it in qt cans (about a 3-year supply with care) but recently found out it is only sold in gallon cans now. Works great, check out the plastic supplies section of your Yellow pages.
For resins and PE I use CA (both liquid & gell) and for canopies and windows I use Micro Klear.

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If you can get over to Topeka, check with Globe plastics. They can give you the name and address of the local outlet that can supply you with Pleximent. (I can't remember the name of the local outlet off the top of my head, just remember its out on west 6th street a couple of blocks west of the hospital)
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Posted by benzdoc on Thursday, February 5, 2004 5:07 PM
Tamiya extra thin for me. Especially because of the fine brush. It makes it much more possible to not damage the surrounding plastic with cement.

Just my two cent's worth. Like life, it usually takes several different techniques to accomplish a job.
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Posted by caine on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 10:52 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinb

So I was looking today at the LHS, saw some liquid cement, but was surprised at it's consistency. It was rather thin, more like water almost. Is that normal?

Yes that is normal. The best way I have found to apply liquid cement is to put the two parts together then use a find tipped paint brush (I have one specificaly for the job) dip it in the cement and then apply it to the seems. The capilary action pulls the cement into the seem and joins the parts. It makes building large parts easy if they fit well enough. Just start at one end of wing or fuselage, apply a little, while you hold that spot together to dry move down a few cm and add some more... just keep working until the whole thing is bonded together. No worrying about getting the parts togther before the glue dires or sticking them togther in the wrong orientation. The parts are the way you want them before you even touch the glue!

Sometimes I use a little CA in spots to strengthen the seems, but only where needed. Problem with this method comes when the parts don't fit right... then it is time for some tougher stuff like the gel or CA.
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Posted by caine on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 10:44 PM
I prefer Testors liquid cement for most applications. I find it is less brittle than CA.

I use Testors gel cement for some larger parts where there may be larger gaps or where a little extra stenght is needed.

For resin or metal parts, parts that need some extra stiffening or for filling gaps, I use Zap-A-Gap CA.

Finally, I use Elmers white glue for canopies and some small photo-etched parts.
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Posted by mojodoctor on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 9:48 PM
When working with styrene, I use the solvent MEK (Methyl Ethyl Ketone) straight out of the can. The only other 'glue' I use is CA and this is with most reluctance. Only when dealing with other materials do I use super glue. I hate the stuff!
Epoxy has it's place too, but MEK is my favorite.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 5, 2004 6:50 PM
Scott:
If you are having trouble finding Tenax 7R try Great Hobbies web site. They mail order everywhere.
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Posted by scottrc on Monday, January 5, 2004 12:47 PM
I never had good luck with Testors liquid cement. I use to use Weld On liquid but cannot find it anymore. Started using Tennex but even that is getting hard to find. Tried the Ambroid "non-toxic" liquid cement but it was crap, seems the stuff that caused the toxic fumes also bonded the plastic. I still like the old Testors tube cement and a toothpick. I also use Goldberg Jet thin, medium, and heavy CA. Oh, and Elmers white glue.

Scott

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 5, 2004 2:11 AM
I use Loctite gel for most things, TenX-7R for large plastic seams and for getting rid of injection marks (try it, spread it on with a micro brush, rewet the brush and push down harder the second time - the pin mark disappears into the adjacent plastic! no sanding required (got that tip from stinger 1051)) testers liquid glue (with the brush) to set up indie track links and white glue for clear parts. Basicly if it sticks, I'll use it! (I have yet to try bubblegum though)
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Posted by nicholma on Monday, January 5, 2004 1:33 AM
Plastruct for any plastic (applied with a thin piece of wire), superglue (CA) for any multimedia (applied straight from the nozzle) and Krystal Kleer for all windows , headlights (applied with a thin piece of wire). Works perfectly.
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Posted by 9x19mm on Sunday, January 4, 2004 11:36 PM
Ok heres the list of glues I use:

Testors orange tube, would have to say almost never I just dont like it seems to go every where I dont want it and damages parts.

Testors in black squeeze,bottle rarely anymore.

Testors Model master CA and Zap A Gap, I use which ever is closest at the time for 99% of all glue applications except for anything with a seem or clear parts.

Testors liquid in bottle with brush, I use it for all seems simply brush on single coat on both sides then add a drop of CA every couple of inches and I have a rock solid bond in no time, just have to dry fit, dry fit, then dry fit once more.

Testors clear parts glue in squeeze bottle, for all clear parts and temp bonds.
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Posted by mark956 on Sunday, January 4, 2004 9:14 PM
I use Testors model master glue. I will be trying for the first time a CA glue IC-2000 from hobbytown USA.
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Posted by mississippivol on Sunday, January 4, 2004 8:57 PM
Liquid Testor's Glue w/brush, Krystal Kleer for clear parts and for accessories for the car body (won't mess up the paint when I mess up), and super glue when I'm in a hurry.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 4, 2004 8:38 PM
I used to use Testors regular cement in the tube, but I remember sometimes it would "string" when you pull it away. That used to really annoy me. So I was looking today at the LHS, saw some liquid cement, but was surprised at it's consistency. It was rather thin, more like water almost. Is that normal?
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Posted by nimshi on Saturday, August 9, 2003 8:32 AM
I use many of the glues mentioned depending on the need. Gel CA, White glue, liquid, regular CA and tube cement. I like options.
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Posted by cnstrwkr on Saturday, August 9, 2003 6:30 AM
Testor's and Tenax-7R for most work. I like "Hot Stuff" CA especially their gap filling.
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Posted by tigerman on Friday, August 8, 2003 8:31 PM
Testors tube glue, because it sets slowly and smells so good. Tongue [:P] (Just kidding kiddies, don't sniff the glue!) Dead [xx(] It sets slowly so I can pull apart my mistakes. Smile [:)]

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Posted by wibhi2 on Friday, August 8, 2003 6:40 PM
I use ambroid (I really like it when I can find it), plasti-struct or tenex-7 for liquid(90% of my choures). I'll use testors gel when I want something to stay put while I reach for the liquid and brush. I have no preference for CA tho I got a big bottle of a medium set gap filler that works real well.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 8, 2003 3:47 PM
OK everyone,
on recomendations by alot of you i have now bought some CA glue and even bought Ca glue Remover since knowing myslef I'm sure I will need it. So now what are recomendations on how to use it. Should I buy one of those glass applicators? Do i go on the same premise that you need to glue before painting? I've heard that some people will put there PE parts on after painting so that is why I am not sure. So if any of you have recomendations and especially any warnings I would be much obliged.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 2:45 PM
My main choices are liquid cement (I'm using Gunze Sanyo's Mr. Cement DX right now) and 5 min epoxy. I have started using CA glue as well but for a permanent plastic-to-plastic bond you can't do better than liquid cement.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 2:00 PM
CHEAP CA for everything (2 for $1 at Family Dollar/Dollar General or 3/$1 at Big Lots)
Elmers white(PVA for you Brits) for all clear parts, and diorama work, seals exposed styrofoam edges, dries clear,

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Posted by Kugai on Tuesday, August 5, 2003 11:55 AM
mer1122

I've used Tenax and Testors liquid cements. Tenax proved to be too unreliable, so I wouldn't recommend it. Testors, on the other hand, has never let me down.

The benefits have to do with the fact that the tube glue, if I'm not mistaken, is essentially the liquid cement mixed with clear styrene or something similar. This dilutes the solvent and adds a lot of extra material that comes out of the seams that you have to remove later. In my experience, it also means there's more plastic for the solvent to get out of to evaporate, slowing down drying time, hence the 24-hour minimum drying time before removing whatever restraints you use to hold the parts together.

Liquid cement is more potent and leaves almost no residue. The only "glue seams" that will develop are from melted plastic from the parts beng pressed out ( and you have to use waaay too much to get the same kind of seams that are typical with gel cement ). The setting time is a lot less than with the gels, usually 5-15 minutes, but larger joints may take an afternoon. Also, gaps in a seam can be corrected more easily and with less mess than with the gel. Say the middle of a wing's leading edge didn't bond and you have a small opening. Even if you can get the gel in the gap from the outside ( from the inside is almost impossible in such a small area ), it will not be as strong a bond as you'd likely want and easily make a mess. The liquid cement could be used in the same situation, deliver a full bond with little if any mess: just run it from the inside or carefully dab on the outside and let capillary action do the rest.

As always, there are catches. First off, the liquid cement dries really fast and a single application before assembly of larger parts may not be enough. You brush it on the first part, put that down and brush it on the second, try to put them together and there's a less-than-secure bond. My cure for this is multuple coats of cement, alternating between the 2 pieces, until enough cement has soaked into the plastic to allow a bond to form. This usually takes 3 coats, but I've had to occasionally double that.

Secondly, the stuff leaves no room for error. Once 2 pieces are assembled, there's no separating them. Gel cement doesn't form as secure a bond, so parts can often be pried apart if you made a mistake. You don't have this luxury if the liquid cement is properly applied ( the directions aren't quite as "optional" as some of us guys are used to Tongue [:P] ) .

Finally, there's the control issue. Switching from an easily-controlled gel to something with the consistency of water takes some getting used to. just make sure you get the excess off every time you dip the brush and it should be fine. Also, just remember that even when using the gel cement it's a lot easier to add a little more than it is to clean excess from the part. The same goes for liquid cements.

As with anything else in this hobby, it's a matter of experimentation and determining your preferences.


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Posted by M1abramsRules on Monday, August 4, 2003 11:57 PM
I tried it once, and I did not like it at all! I'll stick with gel
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 4, 2003 11:55 PM
zap a gap CA, testors in teh orange tube, and white glue now that i've been educated as to the horrors of "crazing" on my canopies...i didnt know there was liquid modeling cement...what are the benefits to it over the testors in the orange tube?
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 4, 2003 11:29 PM
I really like Ambroid Pro-Weld. I used to use it and then switched to Testors based on other people's recommendations. Recently I tried the Ambroid again and really noticed a big difference. It dried quicker and seemed to make a stronger joint than the Testors. I'm gonna stick with it (pun intended).

I also use CA glue and 5 min epoxy where the Ambroid won't do. Sometimes I'll 'tack' things with CA+accel. and then run Ambroid into the joint.

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