Iam a little upset with this forum!

Steady there, pardner!
Don't let a couple of posts that didn't quite go your way put you off on the whole FSM experience. Rivet counters? Cry babies? I really don't like to make comparisons between sites, but FSM is by far the least rivet-counting cry-baby public modelling site you'll find on the Internet, hands down.

I know you had a bad experience and are upset now, but try to look at it objectively. Don't take it so personally. Use the info you want, and ignore the rest (like the "make it yourself" comment). 

Hope you feel better!

This thing's been gone over before.  if there's someone here who pisses you off, just ignore them.  furthermore, I'm a rivetcounter, and I don't comment like that.  so thanks for your unbending generalizations about how terrible such people are....

zeke_ wrote:

well every forum has there own set of cry babies. but you can think of it this way: for every one cry baby there are probably ten helpful modelers out there who are willing to help. so just ignore them cry babies coz they're not worth your time. just read what's useful to you :)

Exactly. I've been in a few scrapes before and I had to look at it at both angles. Every comment you make is open season to someone. First off, just let the naysayers comments roll off your sleeve, there is no point of fighting. Second, it is just someone elses viewpoint and you should take their comments with a grain of salt. Don't let it bother you. As Zeke said there are many great people here and the majority are supportive, but some others are...well.......more subjective than others. Some scratch builders almost made me feel guilty for using AM parts, but so what! Perhaps I don't have the time or skill to make my own parts. Does that make me a poor modeler? Who cares what someone else thinks........it's my build! Let it go my friend and keep on contributing.

just stay with it

hey ask anybody here i have been beaten up more than once and  here i am still here

right guys

Sometimes, you just gotta let off some steam.  Now that you've done that, let's get back to talking about models! 

The problem with internet forums in general is that context and inflection are lost.  I know I've looked at some of my posts and seen a comment that I meant in jest doesn't "translate" quite as well to written word, and that it could be taken the wrong way.  Let the comments you don't like roll off your back, and take the useful suggestions and advice and put them to work. 

Or, to take a line from Monty Python, "Let's not argue and bicker over who killed whom..."

I will appologize again, though my original post was by no mean hoping to get you upset.  If you want to buy and use aftermarket items, please be free.  As I mentioned in my second post, I manufacture some myself, so I'm all for it.   My post was meant to be an encouragement in you trying something new or different.  As some have suggested above, feel free to ignore my comments. 

One thing though, my post made your post go back to the top from page 2 or 3, and you eventually got some answers, no..?! 

So relax and enjoy the hobby.

DURR wrote:

just stay with it hey ask anybody here i have been beaten up more than once and  here i am still here right guys

yer a glutton fer punishment that's for sure

djmodels1999 wrote:

My post was meant to be an encouragement in you trying something new or different.  As some have suggested above, feel free to ignore my comments.

Sorry Domi, didn't know the "make it yourself" comment was yours, nor did I know the context of it. I was only replying to the original poster, based solely on what he said. What I was trying to say was "ignore what bugs you, and enjoy the hobby."

Which is what I try to do!

Right, back to modelling!

Brian,

it will take more that that to get me upset at you..!  How's that Concorde going, by the way..??!

Smokinguns3 Man I totally agree with you. There are way too many of those people on here. We are supposed to be having fun and enjoying the comraderie with others. But you just can't please everyone.

Well it all depends on what you are trying to get out of this place.  If somebody points out a minor mistake on a model you make, well, I think most people would take that as a constructive comment thus should feel positive about it.  Of course if the other person while commenting on the same thing is being a complete jacka$$, it's his problem and you should just ignore it. 

I, speaking for myself, learn from constructive comments from others on other people's projects or mine and use them as cautions for my own future work.  If you can't take those and seeks no means to improve yourself through those trial and errors, and at the same time just want some encouragements like "good job" or "awesome build", just state in your post that no comments about mistakes are welcomed, I am sure most understanding people here on this forum will refrain to themselves.  I haven't seen many crybabies here on this forum honestly, while everyone is trying his (or her...) best to support each other getting better at what we do.

You could also try looking at things from the other side of the coin because the "Rivet Counters" are probably right.  Perhaps the primer underneath was red oxide.  If it doesn't bother you then, as other people have mentioned, just ignore it.

There are many people here who do worry about details like that.  It doesn't mean that you have to listen to each of them, you can certainly feel free to ignore their advice.  All that matters is that YOU are happy with what you built.  Personally I appreciate people pointing out things like that on my models so that I don't make the same mistakes on the next one I build.  Instead of complaining about their comments perhaps it would be better to thank them for their input and point out that details like that don't bother you.

The thing about any forum is that in spite of the use of smileys and such, there is no real way to interpret the tone of a particular post (the "it's not what you said but how you said it" axiom). I have not been here that long, but I have been a regular for some time on other forums long enough to know that this is a common occurence. One of the posts in question from the OP of this thread was one I did happen to see, and I saw it as nothing more that a friendly suggestion as opposed to a "you're nuts for doing it that way" comment.

This is one of the most friendly forums I have ever posted on, but here as well as anywhere else, there will be different degrees of 'skin thicknesses' amongst its members (having been a regular on ebay's feedback board for many years, my skin is quite thick ....now there's a tough place), where what is seen as constructive criticism by some will be taken too personally by others.

grandadjohn wrote:

There are still alot of nice people on this forum, ignore the others

Or as I was once told, don't feed the trolls. By the way, I've only run across one of those here and he has since gone back under the bridge. Another way to handle it is to PM that person and see how they intended their post to come across.

     Eddie

djmodels1999 wrote:

How's that Concorde going, by the way..??!

You mean the Doyusha kit I traded to you for the Osorio and Buran? I think you finished it, didn't you?
I never got another one after that...the big 1/72 Airfix kit still taunts me every time I go to the LHS, but I have resisted so far.

Alright, back on topic: members who feel they are unduly persecuted for real or perceived minute modelling indescretions here at FSM really should take a surf around the Internet to get some perspective on that opinion. I think you'll find we really have a great group of folks here. It's only human nature that there will be the occasional misunderstood comment, but with a little compassion and a bit of understanding, they shouldn't erupt into any big hullabaloo.

This is the reason I don't offer criticism good or bad. That plus the fact that it was implied that those types of posts were "nothing but star farming". The only time I'll post like that is if the build is what I consider stunning. And there have been some stunners posted here (a certain B-1B comes to mind).

My advice on how to handle this? Be a duck, and just let it roll off your back and keep going. I've yet to find a friendlier group of people in any of the forums I frequent and I have come across some truly cruel people out there who seem to get a perverted sense of delight at shredding what is a decent build.

dkmacin wrote:

Hey Eddie Miller! As a troll I resent the implication that we are all bad Don

Well if you're hair is pink or green then yer okay in my book  The Macinaw bridge is a fine one. Been across it and have been to Macinaw island. The person I was thinking of had a real problem with the signatures and avatars on the site.Used every thread to complain about it. I agree about this being one of the most friendly places around. In the same breath, I had it out with someone from across the pond about who had the best fighter pilots in the world. Very stupid of me to get drawn into a discussion like that cuz I know I'm right  I don't think anyone here is out to make enemies over a decal placement or paint shade. I still say that's another good use for PMs. If someone gets yer knickers in a twist, find out directly. Don't do it in the open.We had a similar problem at another site I hang out at and people have left over WORDS! It's a hobby not an assault on your beliefs system and shouldn't be treated as one. Now , if you' ll excuse me, I have mucho sanding to get done while I watch America's second most watched past time, NASCAR! YEEEHAWWW!!

     Eddie 

Ok, I find this thread kind of funny. Doesn't it seem that everyone here just rushed to you, to soother your feelings over a few meaningless comments. Yep, we're a forum full of jerks, we are

I just noticed the thread now. I feel bad, cuz I'm fairly sure I made the comment about the red oxide primer on your tank. As Music said, sometimes things are taken out of context, and advice or a friendly suggestion or jest may not translate. But on the other hand, no one said your model sucks or you don't know what you're doing because you can't scratch build, or you don't know the right colour. You just became overly defensive. Believe me, I can identify with you, because the reply you gave to me is within my own situation, that being that we both build models not for the sake of accuracy, but for the sake of enjoyment and fun. Having said that, we both I'm sure, strive to get better models. Be it a better paint job, or a better assembly, or a finer detail part, we both work towards getting something to be satisfying to us, and aren't too concerned with counting rivets. But it is through this constructive comment that you will get to the point of starting something new. My models pretty much suck, but they're a far cry from the flat, featureless plains they were when I first joined this forum. its through comments, both simple and those counting rivets, that I've been able to improve. I've taken what I wanted to take from each variety of commentator, and asked appropriate questions, to learn new techniques, new things to try.

I hope you were not offended, and I hope you don't leave. You've been on this forum, and posted on the Armor forum enough, that losing another familiar face would be a shame.

Others have said it, and I'll reiterate. Take a look at some other forums on the net, particularily ones with the degree of activity as FSM. However, I find those to be pretentious and pompous for the most part. But some rivet counters are nice people. They are advanced modelers that can really teach you something useful. Take everything here with a grain of salt. Not all comments on this forum SHOULD be "Yeah great work, everything is just super". If there are some OBVIOUS discrepancies, well, its just friendly advice. If you like it as is, fine, its your model, and as long as YOU enjoy it, its the only thing that matters.