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Interesting news article.
Posted by TANGO 1 on Sunday, September 10, 2006 8:48 AM
Due to the recent news about Airfix going under, one of my local TV news programes did an article about what kids think of building models these days.
Unfortunately the results were not favourable.
The presenter, a man in his forties spoke of his delight when as a child and young man he would bring home his latest purchase from the model shop and examine all the sprues and instructions with glee, in anticipation of the masterpiece to be created. A memory I dare say most of us here can indentify with......

Cut to Two lads (about 12-14 yrs old) . The presenter gave them an 1/48 Airfix kit each and materials and said "There you go!" The boys got the sprues out of the box, had a quick look at the instruction booklet and gave up. Just like that.

The presenter returned later to find them playing video games and asked the boys how they got on with their model kits.
"We could'nt be bothered" groaned one. "Its too much hard work-its what old people do" said the other.

'Would't like to have a fast jet fighter to display in your room?" asked the reporter? "Yeah-but we can buy a toy one can't we?"quipped one of the lads.
The presenter went on to explain that the feeling of satisfaction and pride that went with completing a model, however it was evident to all that his ethusiasm was not inspiring the teenagers to build models.
The piece ended with a brief conclusion that in todays world, young people are less interested, less disciplined and less patient than they ever were before, and from what I see in my own day to day life, I'd have to agree........


I would just like to add that I know full well that not all young poeple are like that and that there are many hard working decent young poeple out there, we are very lucky to know some of them here, its not my intention to knock the younger generation, just an insight of how our hobby is percieved by others these days.

Darren.


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Posted by mikepowers on Monday, September 11, 2006 12:18 PM

Thats too bad.

I've seen it also.

I bought my girlfriends son one of those metal car kits that take about 20 mnts to put together.

Its still sitting on my shelf.

Won't even look at it.

 

 

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Posted by Dubau on Monday, September 11, 2006 12:38 PM

It's sad really. I got my son into building models but he still likes playing his video games more.

I remember when I would to my my LHS and look and look and look at all the models they had there and picking 1 out and taking to home and I would not stop till it was done. 

Am I that old ?

Have a GREAT day all

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Posted by waikong on Monday, September 11, 2006 12:40 PM
I'm not sure not wanting to play video games over modelling a jet is a good indication the kids are not 'good' or lack attention span. Perhaps they like building electronics? wood working? fixing computers? Robotics? Cars? Or maybe jets aren't their thing. I have 2 boys, one likes to build anytype of models and the other only like Robot (Gundam) models. They both like lego type toys. Even in games, there are 'building' games like Simcity where they build a virtual world.

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Posted by denniscermak on Monday, September 11, 2006 12:41 PM
What does that say for our next generation. Makes you wonder if they would even know how to get information without a computer or Add, Subtract, Multiply or Devide, without a calculator. I can remember recently when purchasing an item at a store the cash register went down and the individual could not even make the correct change. I had to tell this person what amount I was to receive. What a shame.
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Posted by Agamemnon on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:28 AM
It's sad, but inevitable. As the ancient Romans said, "Tempora mutantur, et nos mutamur in illis." The times change, and we with them. Each generation tries to separate itself in some way from preceding ones.
Look at these people, these human beings; consider their potential! From the day they arrive on the planet, blinking, step into the sun, there is more to see than can ever be seen, more to do than... no, hold on. Sorry, that's The Lion King. But, the point still stands... leave them alone! -- The Tenth Doctor
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Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:28 AM

I don't suggest that the current lack of interest in modeling on the part of the younger generation has any one, simple explanation.  Competition from video games, computers, etc. undoubtedly is a major factor.  Another is the decline in young people's interest in reading.  (When I was a kid, the purchas of a model invariably sent me to the library, to find a book on airplanes or ships or tanks that would tell me about it.  The average kid nowadays rarely, if ever, sets foot in a library.)  Yet another is the pricing structure of the merchandise.

When I was getting into the hobby, in the 1950s, the plastic model kit business operated in a pretty precisely-defined price range.  The cheapest little airplane kits cost 29 cents.  Then there was a huge range of airplanes at 50 cents.  A fairly sophisticated airplane cost a dollar; as did the knights in armor from Aurora.  The latest, high-quality aircraft creation from Monogram or Revell, or the newest car from AMT, cost $1.49.  For $1.69 to $2.00 you could take your pick from among all the warship kits in the hobby shop - except the aircraft carriers, which ranged from $2.49 to $3.00.  The "ordinary" Revell sailing ships were $3.00 each.  And the most expensive kit on the market in the U.S. was the Revell 1/96 Cutty Sark, which cost $10.00.  (That was the sort of thing you could dream of getting for Christmas.)

Granted, there's been lots of inflation since then.  But the prices of plastic kits have risen far faster than the prices of most other commodities.  When I was in elementary school I could buy an Airfix or Revell 1/72 fighter with - literally - pocket money.  Nowadays it's getting tough to find a 1/72 fighter for less than $20.00 - and even today's generation of spoiled brats isn't likely to think of that as a pocket money purchase.  On the other end of the scale, the review section of FSM every month covers several models that cost over $100 each.  I can't blame parents for balking at the thought of buying such things in quantity for their kids - even if the kids want them and are up to the task of building them.  The model can only be built once.  The electronic game will get played till the kid gets tired of it.  (That, I suspect, won't take as long as Mom and Dad would like, but it probably will hold the kid's spare-time attention for at least a few weeks.) 

A couple of months ago my 8-year-old grandson came for a visit, and my wife and I decided to try to get him interested in model building.  We knew he had at least some interest in dinosaurs, so I ordered a Tamiya "Triceratops Diorama Set" from Squadron Mail order.  The kit was superb - one of the most ingeniously-designed, well-molded, well-presented plastic kits I've ever seen.  It kept Ben and me busy for a total of about ten hours.  It cost (including shipping) $42.00.  The experience was thoroughly satisfying, and the "Tyrannasaurus Diorama Set" is on the Christmas present list.  But I found myself thinking that if Ben were my kid, and he got as interested in models as I was when I was his age, keeping him supplied with kits would bankrupt me in a matter of months.

We all know, of course, what the tradeoffs are.  Those $20 1/72 fighters from Tamiya and Hasegawa belong to a completely different world than the 50 cent Airfix kits I brought home from the hobby shop when I was twelve.  Somewhere between the 1960s and the 1990s, plastic modeling turned, almost entirely, into an adult hobby.  I find it interesting to read the ads that Dragon publishes these days to promote its latest armor and ship kits.  "NEW TOOLING - interior detail on periscope inside commander's hatch cover."  "NEW TOOLING - slide-molded rifle barrels with hollow muzzles."  "Photo-etched clips for separately-cast tools on fenders."  "Bonus clear flight deck to display interior detail on hangar deck."  "Aircraft conveniently molded in clear plastic, with separate propellers and landing gear."  Such ads make me, with fifty years' experience under my belt, drool.  But could a twelve-year-old even read the ads - let alone build the models?

I worked my way through grad school in a hobby shop in Columbus, Ohio, between 1973 and 1980.  At least half the merchandise we sold in those years was bought by or for people under the age of sixteen.  I few months ago I asked a good friend, who owns a fine, long-established hobby shop in Newport News, Virginia, how many of his customers were under sixteen.  He laughed bitterly and said, "Zero."  I made some sympathetic remark to the effect that the last five or ten years had seen the younger generation drop out of the hobby.  He replied, "Where have you been?  That happened twenty years ago." 

Airfix - rest in peace. 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:18 AM
Very well made point you have there,  while the cost of  models has risen I guess the manufactuers have tried to keep their customers happy as they have grown older. I know some companies have tried new lines to aim at the younger generation, as far as I can tell they have not been very successful. Airfix recently released such a range, perhaps too late.

I guess model making just is not as popular as it used to be, I just feel there is a whole generation missing out on something very special.


Darren.

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Posted by scottrc on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:32 AM
I agree to that our generation, which is the primary market for the model companies, has pushed the .99 cent Airfix models out of business. We are middle aged, with disposable income, who are willing to shell out $100 or more of a box of plastic, resin, and brass parts that will be built into a 101% accurate representation.  However,  I have been looking for cheap models for my 10 yr old to slap together, other than swap meets and auction sites, there are none to be had.  Even Squadron, who used to have tons of kits for around a few bucks in their flyers, has stopped offering these.  How is a kid with a $10 a week allowance going to build models?  Mine says if he has to save $40 for a model, he will just save the $40 bucks and buy a new video game, which he will get a lot more use out of.  I had to agree with him.

I have gotten my 10 yr old into building, but it is hard to keep him interested because there just isn't enough support in the industry for young modelers.

I have to agree with the Romans, that our hobby is just our hobby and may fade with our generation, and the younger generations will enjoy their hobby of virtural modeling.

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Posted by mikepowers on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:10 AM

I agree.

Every time you read a new review of a kit, the price is just ridiculous. Its not a price that even I would pay let alone a 14ish year old kid.

Price and availability are the two most important things that have knocked the younger generation out of the hobby. You can't even find models in a Toys r Us anymore.

  

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Posted by Lufbery on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 9:56 AM
I'll preface my remarks by saying that I'll be 33 in December.

I think it's easy to lose perspective on this issue because of the emotional ties we have to this hobby.

First, there are a whole bunch of wonderful kits available for $5 -$10 at my local hobby store, craft stores, and through on-line retailers. Roden and Monogram (Revell-Monogram) in particular have some very nice kits for under $10.

Yes, they take a lot of work to build into a competition-winning masterpiece, but why hold kids to that kind of standard? I didn't use glue on my first several kits as a kid (because they were Snap-tite models) and I didn't use paint on the next several. My first painted kit was a Monogram P-51 that I did when I was a senior in high school.

Second: I get the feeling from reading posts here that parents are anxious to get their kids modeling the "right" way! They need to use glue just right, and use the right shade of sky blue, and...basically... build kits like adults do. The great thing about this hobby is that there are no mandatory standards. I think it's possible to rush a kid and make model building seem more trouble than it's worth.

Also, it's natural for kids to have many different interests. I built my first model when I was six or so. But I'd been playing with Legos and Lincoln Logs before that. I built a couple of dozen kits between age six and seventeen. I wonder if we expect kids to be as fanatical about this hobby as we are. How many 10-year-olds have a stash of 200 kits?

I found it difficult to build models when I was in college because of a lack of time and space. But my early experiences kept me interested in the hobby. I read an occasional issue of FSM, and eventually started building again.

Finally: So maybe there are aspects of this hobby that really are appropriate for adults, and that's okay! I have a nine-month-old son who is starting to walk around by holding onto things. My toxic modeling supplies keep getting moved to higher surfaces. But beyond the safety hazards, why would anyone dump a $40 kit on a 12 year old when a $15 one would do just as well?

In this way, I think building plastic kits is somewhat like model railroading or building wooden ship kits, they're all hobbies that are best for adults with time and money. However, there are still plenty of plastic kits that and inexpensive and fun to build

Just some thoughts,

-Drew

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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 2:06 PM

Let me just say one thing- I'm in college now (have been for two weeks now), and the second biggest reason I enjoy living off of campus is the fact I will be able to continue to build models.  I've heard of a number of individuals who "lost" the hobby around my age, and I can see why.  No time, no place to put them, etc.  I'm happy to say that (thankfully) I will MAKE time, AND have a place to put them.

Building models isn't just for old people.  Wink [;)]

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Posted by scottrc on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:48 PM
 Lucien Harpress wrote:

Let me just say one thing- I'm in college now (have been for two weeks now), and the second biggest reason I enjoy living off of campus is the fact I will be able to continue to build models.  I've heard of a number of individuals who "lost" the hobby around my age, and I can see why.  No time, no place to put them, etc.  I'm happy to say that (thankfully) I will MAKE time, AND have a place to put them.

Building models isn't just for old people.  Wink [;)]



Hey, nothing was more fun then freezing my dorm roommate out because I needed to leave the window open, in January, in order to airbrush.

Although the RA didn't like it, I hung my planes from the ceiling.

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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:17 PM
Yeah, I imagine neither of them (your RA or roommate) liked you very much.  But such are the sacrifices that must be made...   Laugh [(-D]

Besides, my parents are building me my own bedroom right now anyway.  It's bigger than a dorm, nicer than a dorm, I can drill holes wherever I want, and I get it all to myself.  It's really nice, too.  The walls are knotty pine barn siding.  Good stuff.  (I'll post pics as soon as it's finished)  There's a spot over my bed where I can put a shelf 3' deep and about 5' across.  It should be able to hold one or two models, I think!  Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:30 PM

I don't agree with kids not wanting to build to a high standard many do (including me), and the kits are not the only price problem. Art and moddeleing supplies are not cheap, and if one wants od do a complex paint scheme or weather models, the price can really add up (I paid AUS$6.75 for 3 pastels the other day!!). Just a 13 year olds point of view.

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Posted by Dubau on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:44 PM

OK maybe I should try and say what I was saying before in a different way. I am 41 and have been building all my life and I remember when I was a kid I was the ONLY kid on my block that Built Models. Now that I am older I know a lot of people my age that build, and I do think that kids " Younger People " do build models but we are not in there age range and we don't know them.

I am tired so I hope y'll understand what I am saying.

Have a GREAT day all

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Posted by RadMax8 on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:04 PM
 Lucien Harpress wrote:

Let me just say one thing- I'm in college now (have been for two weeks now), and the second biggest reason I enjoy living off of campus is the fact I will be able to continue to build models.  I've heard of a number of individuals who "lost" the hobby around my age, and I can see why.  No time, no place to put them, etc.  I'm happy to say that (thankfully) I will MAKE time, AND have a place to put them.

Building models isn't just for old people.  Wink [;)]


HAHAHA Lucien, you know what's really kinda sad? I'm commuting to school as well, and one of the things that kept me home was my modeling space!
But can you really blame me? We moved into a new house before senior year that's probably twice the size of my old house with a basement, I had a good amount of money so I went crazy on kits, and I was supposed to leave all that after a year?! Hardly!
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Posted by gulfstreamV on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:56 PM
 Dubau wrote:

OK maybe I should try and say what I was saying before in a different way. I am 41 and have been building all my life and I remember when I was a kid I was the ONLY kid on my block that Built Models. Now that I am older I know a lot of people my age that build, m.and I do think that kids " Younger People " do build models but we are not in there age range and we don't know themI am tired so I hope y'll understand what I am saying.

Have a GREAT day all

Bud

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Posted by Dubau on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:06 AM
LOL
" You've experienced a set back, and without set backs and learning how to fix them you'll never make the leap from kit builder to modeler "
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Posted by DURR on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 12:36 PM

of course the exceptions to this statement are here and will read this

 

but this new generation   aaaahhhhhhh

the end of the world as we know it is closer than we think

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Posted by rudy_102 on Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:20 PM

My dad plops expectations on me to built masterpiece models with only 2 years of model building under my belt! He tells me that he doesn't want to see a new model until I get completely clean windows. HE COMPLETELY IGNORES THE REST OF IT!!!!!! HE'S NOT EVEN A MODELER BUT HE'S ALREADY A RIVET COUNTER!!!!!!. Which is why I have begun masking. He said that he'll get me a model when I do a completely clean windshield on one of my models. I'm about to get a haul. My Tumpeter 1/72 FBC-1 has clean windows as far as I can see, so I hope it pleases him. I've also tryed getting my friend (his screen name is may the force be with you) hooked, so far he's made one model in one year, out of a stash of 3 kits. I'm constantly thinking of ways to stop that. He refuses to build without me helping. The rest of his time he spends videogaming. Grr.

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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:51 PM
ehhh modeling is supposed to be fun. if it's not fun for osme kids, no big deal. if they like other things better no problem. I have plenty of friends who ahve no shortage of patience and persistence who are just not interested in building.

i think taking the lack of interest in modeling and applying that to a general conclusion about the younger generation is kind of ridiculous.

anyway, I'm 16 and i really enjoy building on a serious level, competing in nationals locals and regionals and so on, but mainly it's just for fun and a hobby. So if it doesnt interest some people, it's not a big deal.
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Posted by DURR on Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:50 PM

every generation has it faults

and you guys can relate it to modeling

after reading this people will be giving us the Exceptions   and i (we ) all know there are but....

here goes 

 the under 30 group is more interested in "instant" gratification!

can't wait, the computer i bought last week is not fast enough this week

the electronic  game  i got last month has been update 6 times since.

it is as a generation not their fault, it is my (our) fault as baby boomers we put them in this spot by inventing too many things for them to enjoy, by giving them too too many choices and in many cases an easier life.

and the one choice that has passed many generations past present and future, the don't want to be like my parents (or my parents generation) choice. that one has been passed down for centuries i'm sure.

SoapBox [soapbox]

p.s.

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Posted by zokissima on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 12:23 PM
I think that a lot of us as kids got interested in modelling when an adult introduced us to it, via a purchase for a birthday, or they themselves were modelers. We should keep these traditions going, and us, the current younger generation, introduce our own offspring to this art.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 6:33 AM

I think that our institutions do not promote this hobby like they use to. When I was growing up, the pastor of our church held a modelling class every Tuesday night. The junior high that I went to held a annual model contest and in high school we had a modelling club that met from 8:30am to 11:30am on the last Friday of every month. Schools today will not allow students to bring a X-acto knife (weapon) or paint (grafftiti) to school.

Model building teaches discipline and patience, two virtues seriously lacking across all age groups in this country today.

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 8:15 AM

Properly encouraged, it can teach far more than that:  history, math (application of scale), physics (what makes that thing fly?), art (color theory), physical dexterity - you name it.

The biggest service that model building did for me personally, when I was in elementary school, was to encourage me to read.  Whenever I built a model, my parents would encourage me to go to the library and find out about the subject matter.  By the time I was in the sixth grade, I'd read just about every book that library had on WWII, airplanes, ships, tanks, etc.  Not as good as if I'd been reading the classics, I admit, but I have a suspicion that most kids these days seldom set foot in their libraries at all.  The web is a wonderful thing, but the current generation of young people is really missing something if it doesn't discover what a wonderful thing it is to curl up with a good book.

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Posted by tn_prvteye on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 12:12 PM

Not surprised in the least.  I have twin 13-year-old stepdaughters.  Yes I have tried to get them into modeling.  No they didn't pick it up.  Why?

Actually, it's my fault.  I gave them each the 1/72 Testors F4U Corsair to start with.  Yes the crappy one.  It was half off at Hobby Lobby.

Anyway, they started to work on it and said, "Dad, why does this part stick out further on this side"

Me: "Well, it's not a well-made kit...it's kinda old"

Daughter1: "This Sucks, I'm going to go play Basketball"

It's hard to argue with that kind of logic. 

It's hard to tell a kid that it's okay for his or her model to have some mistakes when they can go to Wal-Mart and see these new die-cast miniatures that are perfect right out of the box.

Hell, it's tough for adults, even.  I friend of mine bought me a die-cast 1/72 Hurricane (in wrong colors I might add).  It was a nice thought, so I didn't say anything.  I displayed it near some of my completed, and in my view, surperior models.  What happens?  Everybody comments on that damn Hurricane and ignores mine...OH that's cool!  That one's neat!

I can't win.

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Posted by ZzZGuy on Wednesday, October 4, 2006 11:35 PM
well, i'm 22 so i'm "relatively" young from what i have seen with the age group here. I got into model building because I like building things, heck i'm a welder because i like building things.

My last job (temporarily unemployed) I built the tear drop shaped tail gates for garbage trucks from the ground up (didn't do the fine stuff like electrical). It was like massive model building and with all the problems that go along with it, this part doesn't fit, this one isn't right, where is that part?, that part we don't have, welding mechine on the fritz, relalized parts where missing after it was painted (i blame the blueprints). But it was just fun when everything was going right and you spend 12 hours just building the tail gate one part at a time untill it was complete (we did 3 complete ones a day when thigns where going right).

Today the cluture is changing faster then ever befor, there is a indrustry totaly dedicated to providing "fun" things for kids weather it's good or bad. A video game you don't need any experence to enjoy, just glance at the manual and start playing. TV is another thing, this takes the interaction down another notch, you don't have to do anything, most of the time not even think. When you compaire these quick easy and fun things to model building, you often can't win.

I personaly don't think all of this is very healthy, there is no excersize for the mind or body anywhere in there. If i had kids now, i'd have 5 tv stations, 56k dial up modem and a old second hand computer. I would however have at their reach a "buffet" of activities ranging from books, sports and hobbies like model building, see what they like and support that interest. I however would not favor model building over say... music. It would proably cost a good bit, but i'd consiter that a better investment then a big tv or a new hardwood floor.

But not that many people seem to feel the way i do, and the current trend with tv and video games seems to be getting worse.

But there is the odd case here and there such as my firend, addict to the multi player game "World of Warcraft" to the point i'm starting to wounder how healthy it is(he sleeps around when he auctions things off in the game) , he is a lot better with math then i am and can drink me under the table.

So that ends my rant.

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Posted by waikong on Thursday, October 5, 2006 12:34 PM
Well, I have 2 kids, and they both like to model - different subjets though. One likes robots and the other one tanks. But they also love to play video games, play piano, violin, read books, watch tv, throw a football around, ride their bikes, got to moview, and play board games. Any 'hobby' or 'pasttime' is harmful if done in excess and very few are innately 'bad'. Spread the fun around a bit.

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