another one of my dumb questions

Well its not a dumb question  but a good question seeing that most kits now have PE and resin bits in them, this was brought up over at LSP the canadian ipms took out the OOB catagory because of the A/M parts that come in the box. Dont think this ansewrs your question but i figured it would sxplane it for anyone else.

From IPMS USA Competiton Handbook:

III. Special Categories

1. OUT-OF-THE-BOX entries will be governed by the following rules:
   
   
   1. KITS. Any commercially available kit may be used. The number of categories incorporating Out-of-the-Box awards will be determined by the Host Chapter and the National Contest Committee.
      
      
   2. FINISH. All finishing techniques are allowed. Decals other than those included with the kit may be used. Insignia, markings, and instrument panels may be hand-painted instead of decaled. Weathering is permitted.
      
      
   3. CONSTRUCTION. The modeler may fill seams and gaps; sand off rivets; drill out gun ports, exhaust pipes, or other appropriate openings; thin to scale such parts as trailing edges, flaps, and doors; add rigging and antennas; and add simple tape or decal seat belts in the cockpit of an aircraft or the interior of a vehicle (NO commercial or modeler-manufactured hardware - e.g., buckles, etc.).
      
      
   4. IT IS NOT PERMITTED TO: vacuform, manufacture, or replace any part, or substitute parts from another kit; cut or separate canopies, surfaces, hatches, doors, etc. (no major surgery); combine a standard kit with a conversion kit; add anything other than specified on the instruction sheet except as shown in Section C above.
      
      
   5. INSTRUCTION SHEETS. Modelers must attach the kit instruction sheet to the entry form. Models entered without an attached kit instruction sheet will not be considered for an Out-of-the-Box award.

Seems I broke the rules in the OOB 1st Jets GB according to "D" ...oops

smokinguns3 wrote:

Well its not a dumb question  but a good question seeing that most kits now have PE and resin bits in them, this was brought up over at LSP the canadian ipms took out the OOB catagory because of the A/M parts that come in the box. Dont think this ansewrs your question but i figured it would sxplane it for anyone else.

If they were in the box, they are not AM parts!!!!!!!!!1

Iam not the one who made the rules i read it in a post at LSP its the canadian ipms that made the rules And i think its a stupid rule to be honest.

Yes it is!  I think it doesn't matter what the modeler added to the model or not or if there was PE parts in the box originally.  Models should be judge according to what the modeler did with what he got.  Simply.

OOTB category is useless if it is judged that way.  Eliminating that category for the reason they used is stupid in my humble opinion.  BTW, I never attempted a contest but I will on October 1 for the first time to see how it is.

You make a good point but I do understand why these decisions have to be made sometimes.    I don’t think the entire OOB category should be elminated but the rules may needs to have a bit finer tooth put on them.  So here is another log on the fire. 

 

Take a person the builds an Accurate Miniature Yak 1 according to the IPMS OOB rules.  Now later on a guy buys the same kit, from the same molds, but it is in an Eduard box and has some nice painted PE detail for the cockpit.  He’s gonna build it “OOB” as well.  The first guy is gonna make a stink because he may feel guy #2 has an unfair advantage only because he bought his kit some months… or years… later, and has extra detail in the pit.

 

I am curious as to the opinion of what I did on my P-59. http://wingnutmodels.com/P-59%20Airacomet.html It is 100% OOB, and I have proof, but it is absolutely in conflict with the rules. (Must have missed that part when I read ‘em)

 

To me the idea of OOB is so little Johnny, who does not have the money for massive amounts of AM stuff, or the skill, yet or to scratch build detail regardless of where the plastic comes from, has the opportunity to place a model next to one built by somebody with years of experience or limitless funds and say, “OK here what I did with the EXACT same 72 parts. Who did I do?”

Just to add my 2 cents, when I was at the NJIPMS show that Marc was also at, the judges were given the following rules, I paraphase: "It doesn't matter how much stuff the build has, or how much extra scratch built details, the major deciding factors are the basics - seams filled, good paint finish, no glue showing, no obvious faults, diehedrals as correct on aircraft...", Only when there is a very close call, are all the 'added' stuff used to help choose a winner.

OK i just smaked my self in the face for the wrong info its not the Canadian IPMS its the griffon Expo 06 heres the link if your interested

http://www.gryffonhobbies.com/expo.htm

And this what i wrote