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How much detail is too much? Is there such a thing?
Posted by Gigatron on Friday, March 9, 2007 12:22 PM

Hey gang,

I was just wondering, as I'm revving up to do my first big build (1/32 F6F), what would be the limits you guys would go as far as adding detail?

I ask because I also ordered the Verlindin cockpit/gunbay upgrade which includes some resin and some PE parts.  But there's also the Eduard's PE set which replaces almost half the cockpit with PE parts as well as detail for the wheel wells and gunbays.

Would it make sense to do both the verlindin set AND the eduard set? Or is it more of an either or deal (i.e. is the eduard set designed to upgrade just the stock hasegawa cockpit)?  Is it possible to enhance the verlindin set with eduard parts?

When does it become no longer feasible to add upgrades in detail?  The F6F itself was about $32 (a little more than I would have liked), the verlindin set about $18 (though it really does look like a nice set) and the eduard set is about $20.

I realize that 1/32 scale does lend itself nicely to insane amounts of detail, but how much is enough vs. too much?

I really look forward to hearing everyone's take on this subject.

-Fred

 

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Posted by Supraman on Friday, March 9, 2007 12:31 PM
What is enough?? Whatever makes you comfortable. If you think it needs more, add more. If you think there is too much, stop. It is all you. For some there is never enough, for others they are happy with OOB.

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Posted by Ozmodiar on Friday, March 9, 2007 12:42 PM
To me it depends on the subject and the $$ I want to spend. Many of the new tamiya and dragon super kits have everything I need. I don't mind doing some subjects OOB. Like Supraman said comfort level is a pretty good measuring stick. Oh and I only build for fun!

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Posted by Shellback on Friday, March 9, 2007 1:01 PM

There have been so many discussions about this topic that IMO there is no "one " answer to it . I would suggest looking at the options and decide on what to do based on your own interest , capabilities , finances etc. Smile [:)]

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Posted by IYAAYAS on Friday, March 9, 2007 1:04 PM
to much is when it stops being fun!  fun for you, not trying to impress your buddy at the club meeting...
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Posted by Shellback on Friday, March 9, 2007 1:10 PM
That also Sign - Ditto [#ditto]
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Posted by Gigatron on Friday, March 9, 2007 1:26 PM

Well, let's say, for the sake of the discussion, that money isn't a real deciding factor.  It's part of it, but not enough where you can say "well...I'd love to add this detail set, but I can't afford it".  Say you had between $60 and $80 to spend between the kit and extras.  Or, you're really good at scratchbuilding.

Let's say scratchbuilding, would you make a fuel door that opens or scale ammo in the ammo cans. Or adding every rivet or screw in a cockpit?

I agree with stopping with what you're comfortable with, but I can also see where it would be hard to stop once you get started.  You know something along the lines of "well, I just added a correct throttle control, maybe I can scratch build a choke control or weapons release switch".  Projects can really start to snowball, especially for those that do competitions.

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Posted by Gun Tech on Friday, March 9, 2007 1:31 PM
I don't think there is such things as "too much" when detailling. You detail until you are satified with your project Smile [:)]

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Posted by wayne baker on Friday, March 9, 2007 1:44 PM
Personally, if you can't tell it's there when you are done building, it's too much.  But, if that's what you like to do, I won't tell you your wrong, or try to stop you.  I think we have seen the results of that argument this past week.

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Posted by ruddratt on Friday, March 9, 2007 1:44 PM
Too much? For me, that's when I go all gung-ho on adding detail to the kit that won't be seen once it's completed. If it can be seen, then it's like Gun Tech said, until you're satisfied, which due to the variables mentioned here already can change significantly from project to project.

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Posted by Lufbery on Friday, March 9, 2007 2:11 PM

It's definitely too much if you never finish the model.

It's probably too much if it won't ever be seen (my opinion only).

Beyond that, build what you like, and like what you build. Smile [:)]

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Posted by fightnjoe on Friday, March 9, 2007 9:07 PM

what is too much??

 

 

only you can decide that.  if going all out with every am piece you can find is your thing then too much may be just a point where you say ok i havent any more room to deal with.  if oob is your thing then even wires for cables is too much.

 

 

 

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Posted by flynavy1958 on Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:41 PM

For me, I'm not getting too worried about things like wheelbays or other parts on the underside--that one would not see unless you picked up the model and looked for with a magnifying glass.

I would, however, like to do more with removing panels and showing avionics and gunbays, etc--on the top/visible part of the model.

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Posted by Archangel Shooter on Sunday, March 11, 2007 10:30 PM

As for me..if I'm building a 1/32 or 1/24th plane I like to detail the cockpit as much as possible. I believe that is the foccal point for many viewers so I dig into my pockets and buy a good cockpit detail set from either Verlinden, Eduard or Black Box. I'm finding myself spending more on the detail sets than the kit itself but it's worth it. I just can't seem to get back into building a kit OOB anymore.

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Posted by SteveM on Monday, March 12, 2007 6:46 AM

I love love love detail. It's why I'm here. I agree with the sentiment that if you don't see it after it's built, painted and weathered, it's not needed. But it may not be too much. My standards change throughout the build. I'll start out by telling myself " OOB OOB OOB!" just so that I can get moving. As I progress, I'll get some initiative to detail. But it only took one instance of super detailing roadwheels on a Sherman- only to end up slathering 'em in mud- before I realized that I spent too long on some of the finer points. Sure, I knew the oil caps were there, but who else would care? The mud became a more important factor in the scene. This is because I started off simply wanting to build the tank, halfway through deciding on how it would be displayed.

I figure that if I know how the model will be portrayed before I start, then I'll know where to place the focus on the detail. But that's me, and I build 'em for dios. They will not be picked up and be inspected from underneath. This may not be helpful to others.

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Posted by m1garand on Monday, March 12, 2007 7:02 AM
I mostly build OOB, but then again, at my skill and level, I am just happy to build what ever kit that I have.  I really think there is no such thing as too much detail if that is what makes the builder happy.  However, I knew a person who used to go out of his way to include engines and interior detail sets to his tanks even if all the hatches were closed.  I guess it made him happy just knowing that he has put so much work to his work. 
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Posted by Gigatron on Monday, March 12, 2007 12:43 PM

Well, after much deliberation, here's what I've ended up with; a verlinden resin cockpit, an Eduard PE set to accent the verlinden set, gunbay and wheelwell details and an Academy machine gun set to get the belt of .50 cal ammo (even though it's 1/35 it beats having to assemble the CB stuff).

I figure since this is fairly cost prohibitive and I certainly won't be able to do this with every model, I might as well go all out with this one.

I'm giving myself a couple of months, if not longer, to build this puppy.

-Fred

 

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Posted by ruddratt on Monday, March 12, 2007 12:53 PM
Go for it, Fred! Thumbs Up [tup] If you're going to see it when it's done, then I believe the sky can be the limit when it comes to packing in the detail. Although you may not use this approach with every model you build, sometimes it's just plane fun to try it! Wink [;)]

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Posted by snarlyq on Monday, March 12, 2007 1:51 PM
Simple, just ask Pat Hawkey Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Shellback on Monday, March 12, 2007 4:47 PM
Laugh [(-D]  LOL
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Posted by Gun Tech on Monday, March 12, 2007 6:26 PM
LMAO Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by DURR on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:57 PM

 IYAAYAS wrote:
to much is when it stops being fun!  fun for you, not trying to impress your buddy at the club meeting...

 

Sign - Ditto [#ditto]

but i must add this........  only add as much as your ability will let you without ruining  an expensive model  in other words don't add that resin cockpit and exhaust jets if your not comfortable with using resin

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Posted by Mike Mackowski on Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:31 PM
I was going to respond to the editorial in the April 2007 issue (could not find a thread on that) but this is the same topic.

I am getting to the point (been modeling for 40 years) that there is absolutely a point when you can add too much detail. It's the whole issue of why you are building the model. For a contest you may want to add a lot of stuff. I'm to the point that I know I can do that if I want. But I also see the boxes of unbuilt kits in my garage. And I have certain projects I want to finish (like to write an article) or build for my own collection (my MCAIR shelf). When I consider that, I feel inspired to finish something.

It becomes more important for me to be perfectly finished than finished perfectly.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:24 PM
Just do whats right for you. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Posted by sawdeanz on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:31 AM
I pretty much agree with the consensus here. I'm still an amateur, and I build out of the box. Whenever I see a detail or inaccuracy that bothers me, I'll try to correct it with some wire or bits of sprue. For example, I recently detailed an Apache helicopter machine gun with a wire support that was missing from the kit. My most recent delema is a huey helicopter. I could have bought a resin detail set, but money issues kept me back. Plus, I know I will use it in a diorama, and it is not exactly the focal point of the whole project, so a few inaccuracies could go unnoticed. I did buy an aftermarket door gunner set, however, because it is definatly something I needed in my dio.

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Posted by Gigatron on Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:58 AM

Here's the thing, I'm about as amateur as an amateur can be - 1 model in the last 17 years.  Last time I built, there was no such thing as PE or resin upgrade kits or even AM decal sheets.  You built what was in the box and if you had the skill, scratch built some stuff.

But now that I'm back and ready to play, I'm not going to let the whole "amateur" thing get in my way of learning these things.  I know how to build and paint OOB.  I used to do it every weekend for years before I stopped.  Now, I'm forcing myself to learn scratch building, PE and working with the resin kits.  If I have an over-detailed model at the end, good for me.  If I end up with a pile of scrap, as long as I've learned a few new skills in the process, good for me, too.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 30, 2007 12:52 PM

Depends on why your building the model.

In General

1. If it's just for fun add as much or little as much detail as you want.

2. If the area will be sealed up and not visible there really isn't much reason to add the detail unless it just makes you "feel" good.

Contest Modeling

If the model is for a medal or open judging type of show extra detail is usually a good thing. If the model is for an IPMS sponsored show the detail will only matter if the basic construction is good. Most of the time at IPMS shows your better off with a stock out of the box model with top notch basic construction (no seams, no punch marks, no glue spots etc) and no extra detail than lot's of details added and an unfilled punch mark or seam.

Poorly, excuted detail like mangled photo-etch, resin with tool marks, crooked parts alignment will actually hurt the model at a show that places emphasis on clean basic construction ie the typical IPMS show. Adding detail can be an opportunity to "mess up" in some cases.

Personally, if the model isn't a contest model, I'll add detail until I get bored and want to move the next project. If the model is a contest model, I'll only add stuff I know I can do and get right. Most of the time I build out of the box kit's because I enjoy building and painting more than detailing. Painting and weathering is the most fun part of the hobby for me. 

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Posted by mfsob on Saturday, March 31, 2007 9:17 AM

With me, it's knowing when to quit - be it with a particular model or with a certain detail on the current work in progress.

Case on point: This morning, after mangling my second attempt at assembling the PE liferaft racks for my Liberty ship (and thanking my stars I had bought two of that fret), I took a step back, finished my cup of coffee and then went back and looked at two things - the kit-supplied liferaft racks, and my reference photos. Pretty soon I was thinking, You know, if I add just the bracing from the PE parts to the plastic racks, they'd look an awful lot like what's in some of these pictures ...

Sometimes, you have to really, really remind yourself that good enough is good enough, but perfection is never attainable.

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