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DCV
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Is modeling making you sick?
Posted by DCV on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:24 PM
Since I' ve returned to the hobby after a 30+ year absent I 've noticed some changes I never had to worry about before.
It seems that the dust from sanding styrene or resin clogs my sinuses to the point that I absolutely cannot breathe. The fumes from Zap-A-Gap seam filling super glue are a particular hazard, a couple of minutes of its fumes and my nose is clogged for days, then a day or two of really bad nasal drip before everything returns to normal.
Decaling with MicroSol or using Future doesn`t cause any problem.
I`ve taken to wearing a very good quality 3M painters face mask, the kind with the replaceable filters.
I admit to feeling a bit silly sitting at the kitchen table wearing it while modeling but it seems to keep me from being affected by the fumes that seem to be so irritating.
When I airbrush I always wear the mask and use very good ventilation since I haven`t been able to make a paint booth yet.
It makes sense to me that a mask while airbrushing would be a necessity, but I wouldn`t think it would be needed while doing other modeling chores like sanding or using glue.
Are the materials used today so different from what was around when I was modeling years ago that this isn`t as unusual as I think it is?
Does anyone else wears any kind of mask while they do any kind of modeling activity?
Do I just have some sort of allergy to the dust and glue fumes that I didn`t have 30+ years ago?
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  • From: Pensacola, FL
Posted by Foster7155 on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:42 PM

It is indeed quite possible for someone to develop an allergy to something later in life even though they had no adverse affects when younger. We had a 15 year member of the Air Force develop a terrible reaction to one of the chemicals we used on a daily basis. One day, the reaction hit and that was it.

As for myself, I've been lucky thus far. I'm not allergic to anything (that I'm aware) and I do not use masks with the only exception being when doing large amounts of resin sanding (touch up sanding, I don't bother). This includes not wearing a mask while airbrushing and I too have no paint booth. Nothing makes me sick except my terrible lack of progress at times!

Robert Foster

Pensacola Modeleers

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Posted by ajlafleche on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:46 PM
You might want to get a referal to an allergist, just to check things out. The reactions you're getting seem pretty significant and seem to go beyond the normal irratants we deal with.

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  • From: Drummondville, Quebec, Canada
Posted by Yann Solo on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:00 PM
I have the same problems.  As soon as I deal with Mr. Surfacer, Super glue, Liquid cement or the airbrush, I have sinuses problem.  The airbrush problem is now solved since I have a spraybooth and I will probably buy a good respirator for when I work at the bench.  Add the pollen allergy symptoms on top of that and you get a feel of how I felt lately.
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  • From: Smithers, BC, Canada
Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:35 PM

 Yann Solo wrote:
As soon as I deal with Mr. Surfacer, Super glue, Liquid cement or the airbrush, I have sinuses problem. 

Those don't affect me, but I do have that same reaction to beer....sad but true.

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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  • From: Abbotsford, B.C. Canada
Posted by DrewH on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:48 PM
 ruddratt wrote:

 Yann Solo wrote:
As soon as I deal with Mr. Surfacer, Super glue, Liquid cement or the airbrush, I have sinuses problem. 

Those don't affect me, but I do have that same reaction to beer....sad but true.

Oh my! That's just terrible Mike Taped Shut [XX] Imagine, not being able to enjoy a nice cold one in those 100 F temps you get over there Boohoo [BH] I know I'm enjoying one nowMake a Toast [#toast]

 I have no reaction to anything in my hobby room. I do wear a very good two stage respirator when painting and sanding with resin. The ones that are designed for paint fumes and particles.

Take this plastic and model it!
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Posted by styrene on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:49 PM

I would like to offer a few comments and tips

1.  Sanding styrene and resin:  Although polystyrene is considered a low-toxicity material, there is some indication that it can cause some inflammatory activity in the lung dependent on the surface area of the particulate.  Resin dust is simply a nuisance particulate, that, like any dust, can irritate the respiratory system--dependent on its concentration in air, frequency and duration of exposure, and any personal susceptibilities (ie, asthma).

Tip: The best thing you can do is to wet sand these products.  Keeping your plastic and resin wet can reduce or almost eliminate any airborne particulates generated during sanding.

2.  Super glues:  Cyanoacrylates have been known to cause allergic reactions (chemical asthma) in some individuals after repeated exposures.  MicroSol and Future don't evaporate very fast, so it takes more time to get much (if any) airborne vapor concentrations.

Tip: Keep your nose out of the jar.  I have a terrible habit of getting very close to my work, and sometimes I think I inhale as much as goes on the part to be worked.  Put a small fan slightly behind you and to the side, blowing toward your work.  The airflow will dilute vapor concentrations, and carry them out of your breathing zone.  In addition, try to back away when applying or working with solvents.  Use a magnifier of some sort to help keep your distance.  Keeping an open window will also help by allowing an exhchange of fresh air.  Furthermore, keep the lid on your containers, and move them away from your immediate work area when not in use.  Lastly, keep your room and work area(s) clean and free of dust.  And don't sit with a trash can between your legs that's full of solvent-contaminated paper towels, etc.

3. The materials that you and I used 30 years ago are still around, but many have been reformulated to make them more "environmentally friendly".  Notice I didn't say safer.  Big difference, although having said that, many solvents have been substituted with other, "safer" solvents that require a higher dose over similar exposure times to produce the same effect.  What that means is that your hobby glue now contains MEK, and it takes almost 4 times the amount to get you as "high" as toluene did, and without the reproductive health effects.  Enamel and lacquer paints are not the only kids on the block anymore.  Many modelers now choose to paint with acrylic enamels, which are "relatively" safer (alcohols and glycol ethers can still cause problems).

Tip: Use only the amount to get the job done.  Go with liquid instead of the thick tube glue.  Instead of using the brush that comes with liquid glue, use a No. 1 round paint brush (or smaller).  See no. 2 above.

If following a few of these guidelines doesn't help eliminate the need for a respirator while you are building (as opposed to painting), then I would echo Mr. Lafleche's directives:  Make an appointment to see your doctor, and go over your symptoms with him.  Be sure to include the types of materials you are using, the amounts you use, and how often you use them.  Our bodies change over time (how well I know!), and things that didn't affect us years ago, do now.

Let us know how things go, and all the best to you.

Gip Winecoff

1882: "God is dead"--F. Nietzsche

1900: "Nietzsche is dead"--God

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  • From: Smithers, BC, Canada
Posted by ruddratt on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:16 PM
 DrewH wrote:

Oh my! That's just terrible Mike Taped Shut [XX] Imagine, not being able to enjoy a nice cold one in those 100 F temps you get over there Boohoo [BH] I know I'm enjoying one nowMake a Toast [#toast]

Yep, it sure sux, Drew. Wasn't always like that, though. It seemed to come on suddenly about 10-12 years ago and has been that way ever since. Wine coolers are OK though, so the hot days don't bother me too much!

Cheers, my friend! Make a Toast [#toast]

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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Posted by alumni72 on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:10 AM
 ruddratt wrote:

Wine coolers are OK though, so the hot days don't bother me too much!

Whew!  Glad to hear that, at least - I didn't realize they still made those, but glad for you that they do!  I haven't seen a Bartles & Jaymes commercial for decades now.

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  • From: Northern Indiana
Posted by overkillphil on Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:03 PM
 alumni72 wrote:
 ruddratt wrote:

Wine coolers are OK though, so the hot days don't bother me too much!

Whew!  Glad to hear that, at least - I didn't realize they still made those, but glad for you that they do!  I haven't seen a Bartles & Jaymes commercial for decades now.

 Heaven help me, we were at the supermarket a couple of weeks ago and they had one of those life size carboard stand-ups of the two Bartles and Jaymes guys with a motion sensor that triggered a recording of "Thanks for your Support" everytime someone walked by.  Talk about your basic blast from the past.

my favorite headache/current project: 1/48 Panda F-35 "I love the fact that dumb people don't know who they are. I hope I'm not one of them" -Scott Adams
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Posted by philo426 on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:36 PM
No I can't say that modeling makes me sick.But since I changed over to Tamiya acrylic paint and use Pacer Zap-A-Gap for assembly smell is not an issue.As for working with resin,I solve the irritation problem by using a shallow pan filled with water to sand the resin parts.Keeps the resin particles in suspension and prevents irritation from resin dust.
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