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Posted by stretchie on Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:57 PM
Whenever I get a paper cut, I put a couple dabs of super glue over the closed cut. Works like a charm. Smile [:)]
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Posted by Triarius on Friday, August 31, 2007 10:09 PM

 Triarius wrote:
Gip (Styrene) has told us that the development of CA as a surgical adhesive (as I, too, had read) is partially an urban legend. He says is was originally developed as an optical adhesive, and then later adapted to surgical use. Since he's in a medical field, I give his history more credibility.

Okay, I guess Bill shot down the urban legend, and Gip brought up the methacrylate. I stand corrected…gotta buy more white-out…

Propeller [8-]

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Posted by Triarius on Friday, August 31, 2007 10:05 PM

Odd. My pint of accelerator is over ten years old, working quite well—but I keep it TIGHTLY closed. It sounds to me as if yours lost the solvent carrier. Amine compounds do have a tendency to clump under the right conditions (which may be how life got started on this rock, but that's another digression…

I would not keep the stuff in the fridge. Just keep it tightly closed and in a cool, dark location. 

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Posted by chopperfan on Friday, August 31, 2007 9:20 PM
I don't know about the accelerator but, I have seen it recommended to keep super glue in the refrigerator. It helps it to last longer.
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Posted by hkshooter on Friday, August 31, 2007 8:20 PM
Thanks for the info, guys. Yup I meant cyano, as in super "glue your fingers together" glue. I'm not suprized I've never heard of the stuff in it. I finally got to a not so local HS and picked up some more. The bottle I had stopped working for some odd reason. I use it to put on antenna wire and had a few to repair after my recent move but when I tried it I got nothing but a sticky and very slow setting mess. The guy at the LHS told me the stuff goes bad. Mine was due I guess, since it was over a year old.
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Posted by wayne baker on Friday, August 31, 2007 1:47 PM
My apologies for my limited knowledge for Canadian customs.  Maybe you should start a Canadian customs/modelers thread like the one for the Aussies.

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Posted by Triarius on Friday, August 31, 2007 11:58 AM
 Bgrigg wrote:
 Triarius wrote:

 wayne baker wrote:
Isn't the place where you keep your ice cubes called the baack porch, in Canada?

Canadians don't make ice cubes. If they need a piece of ice, they break it off their nose.

Mischief [:-,]

More lies! Ross, I'm shocked at you!

Hey, I saw this on the History Channel, so it must be true! Laugh [(-D] (And if that doesn't make you spray your monitor with whatever you're drinking, I don't know what will! Propeller [8-]


Ya know, DHiS is going to come after us, we hijack so many threads… Pirate [oX)]

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Posted by ruddratt on Friday, August 31, 2007 10:50 AM

 Bgrigg wrote:
How IS the weather "up" there, Mike? Got frost yet? Mischief [:-,]

No frost yet Bill, but I saw some fresh snowfall on Hudson Bay Mountain about two weeks ago. Shock [:O]

Mike

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Posted by Bgrigg on Friday, August 31, 2007 10:25 AM
 Triarius wrote:

 wayne baker wrote:
Isn't the place where you keep your ice cubes called the baack porch, in Canada?

Canadians don't make ice cubes. If they need a piece of ice, they break it off their nose.

Mischief [:-,]

More lies! Ross, I'm shocked at you! We don't break the ice off our nose, just dip it in the glass while drinking. That's why we keep the ice on our nose! We keep ice cubes for when Texans visit. Those we keep on our back porch.

 wayne baker wrote:
Isn't the place where you keep your ice cubes called the baack porch, in Canada?

Well, yeah of course, for our friends. But Texans need help with their icecubes! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

 

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Posted by Triarius on Friday, August 31, 2007 9:58 AM

 wayne baker wrote:
Isn't the place where you keep your ice cubes called the baack porch, in Canada?

Canadians don't make ice cubes. If they need a piece of ice, they break it off their nose.

Mischief [:-,]

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Posted by wayne baker on Friday, August 31, 2007 9:48 AM
Isn't the place where you keep your ice cubes called the baack porch, in Canada?

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Posted by Bgrigg on Friday, August 31, 2007 9:32 AM
Sort of, only lower the temp to below freezing. That's like the thing where you keep icecubes!

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Posted by centerdeck on Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:35 PM
Frost... I remember that term from science.  That is when you turn on the AC in your car and it is so humid that your windows fog up so much that you cannot see, right?
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Posted by styrene on Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:15 PM

The accelerator for cyanoacrylates has to be basic in order for the curing reaction to occur.  That's why an amine or sodium bicarbonate works so well.  Chopperfan is also correct, since water can act either as an acid or a base (H2O=H+ OH-).  The acetone (or another solvent such as a petroeum distillate) is added to the accelerator not only as a vehicle to help get the base to the glue, but to aid in fast evaporation, so that you can get on with your work.

Hey, Ross, my statement was in regards to the use of methacrylates in medicine.  I have NO idea where the optical stuff came from (Hallucinating again, I see. Big Smile [:D] )

Oh, and we in the south realize that the North only has three seasons: June, July, and Winter.

There's always Kayo Syrup, but that would make quite a mess as an accelerator (although when it dries it might be sticky enough to use as an adhesive!)

Gip

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Posted by Bgrigg on Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:08 PM
How IS the weather "up" there, Mike? Got frost yet? Mischief [:-,]

So long folks!

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Posted by ruddratt on Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:08 PM
 Bgrigg wrote:

Ross, you should be ashamed of yourself spreading such untruths!

With Global Warming®, Spring is now the last week of July, and summer starts the third week of August and runs all the way to the 15th of Sept. Then Falls starts! This gives us another two weeks of road construction. Whistling [:-^]

You guys living that far south have no idea how easy you've got it! Wink [;)]

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Posted by Triarius on Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:49 PM

I just had a terrible thought:

What if he misspelled "Kayo"®, the old chocolate drink? That would explain why he has never posted a response to our replies.

Shock [:O] Oh dear…

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Posted by Triarius on Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:47 PM

Laugh [(-D]

Here in Shicagalandt, we have only two seasons:

Cold wet slush season,

and

Road Construction, sometimes called "Men Leaning on Shovels." 

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Posted by Bgrigg on Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:31 PM

Ross, you should be ashamed of yourself spreading such untruths!

With Global Warming®, Spring is now the last week of July, and summer starts the third week of August and runs all the way to the 15th of Sept. Then Falls starts! This gives us another two weeks of road construction. Whistling [:-^]

So long folks!

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Posted by Triarius on Thursday, August 30, 2007 3:14 PM
For those south of the border, spring in Canada is the last week of August. Summer is September 4. Then fall starts.

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Posted by Bgrigg on Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:06 PM
Currently it's 7.5%, and it's been frozen at that rate for a while. I'm told it'll heat up in the spring...

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Posted by wayne baker on Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:38 PM

What is the interest rate at a snow bank?

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Posted by Triarius on Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:34 PM

Bill, as you are in the Frozen North, are you sure that wasn't a snow bank… Mischief [:-,]

…and I imagine polar bears become annoyed when you attempt to white-out their noses…Whistling [:-^]

Pirate [oX)]Sign - Off Topic!! [#offtopic] again! Laugh [(-D]

 

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Posted by Bgrigg on Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:39 AM
LOL I ended up having to buy a new monitor, as the old one got so much White-Out on it, it looked like I was staring at a snow bank!

So long folks!

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Posted by Triarius on Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:12 AM

I stand corrected…

(Wonder how long it takes "White-out" to wear off………)


As a further interesting sidelight: CA is still used in optics. It is often used to glue cover slips on micoscope slides, particularly rock thin sections.

 

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Posted by Bgrigg on Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:45 AM

My bottle of accelerator says "Synthetic Hydrocarbons and Aromatic Amine" and that I should keep it out of reach of children. Now how am I going to put it out of my own reach? Confused [%-)]

Ross, perhaps an incompatibility with sodium bicarbonate and CA is what caused the mass extinction of the big dinosaurs, and your model now represents the last, and previously unknown, stages of their existance?

I believe it was myself who advised that the original intent of CA wasn't surgical adhesive. It was Gip who pointed out that the modern surgical adhesives were no longer CA based. Also it wasn't an optical adhesive, but was intended to be the material that formed the optics!

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Posted by Triarius on Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:27 AM

If we are talking about CA accelerator, there are a number of different compounds that are used. Mine is "aliphatic solvent and aromatic amine." It is the amine compound that smells bad. Some amines are quite dangerous (ammonia is an amine, to give you an idea—that's where the name comes from) others are less so.

Formulations change.

CA is moisture activated, but getting it wet just seems to make a mess. Breathing on it (water vapor, as opposed to liquid) does work, but not as well.

A household chemical that does work is sodium bicarbonate. I haven't tried using it as a solution, but it works when applied as a solid. I once built a T-rex and used this technique for making a filler. It worked quite well, until several years later when the humidity caused the bicarb to do very strange things to the CA. The T-rex looked like he had a severe case of fuzzy mold everywhere I'd used the filler, and it destroyed the paint job. 


Gip (Styrene) has told us that the development of CA as a surgical adhesive (as I, too, had read) is partially an urban legend. He says is was originally developed as an optical adhesive, and then later adapted to surgical use. Since he's in a medical field, I give his history more credibility.

 

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Posted by chopperfan on Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:48 AM

If you are referring to super glue accelerator, I have heard by many that a touch of water will perform the same function.

Super glue is activated by moisture. That is one reason it bonds skin so well. As a little trivia, super glue was developed as a suturing material for surgery. At least that is what I read somewhere. 

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Posted by centerdeck on Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:19 AM
It is one of two things... either something so technical I have never heard about it or something so common and disgusting I don't want to know about it.  Never used it actually, never been in so much a hurry that I could not hold the part for 15 seconds that it takes CA to stabilize.  Then  again it takes me months to finish a model.  Maybe I ought to invest.....
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