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  • Member since
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  • From: Crystal Lake, IL
PE question
Posted by firesmacker on Thursday, November 15, 2007 3:39 PM

Hey All,

I have been thinking of getting into useing PE parts. I have looked at both Eduard and Squadron and will most likely be useing ZOOM kits. 

My question is this, do the PE kits come with any sort of instructions or at least a description of what each part is? I know that some things such as instrument panels, seatbelts, etc are obvious but, haveing looked at the pictures which are quite small and not seeing anyway to enlarge them I have no clue as to what the majority of the parts are.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Jeff 

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  • From: Panama City, Florida, Hurricane Alley
Posted by berny13 on Thursday, November 15, 2007 4:10 PM

Most come with instructions showing where to place the parts.  Not all will explain what the part is.  I have received some PE kits with just a picture showing the built up assembly with no instructions telling where to place the parts.

Some are very basic.  They will say seat part a, seat part b, etc.  Some will go into detail showing the proper name and where the part is located on the model.  Most will depend on the subject and PE kit ordered.

Berny

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  • From: Fort Knox
Posted by Rob Gronovius on Thursday, November 15, 2007 4:25 PM
Most of the sites have the instructions to the PE sets on their websites.
http://www.eduard.cz/
http://www.aber.net.pl/
http://www.jadar.com.pl/ (check out the Part PE sets on this site)
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  • From: Neenah, WI
Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:37 PM
When adding any detailed parts like these it does help to have a working knowledge of the subject you are building. Sometimes instructions are unclear, misleading which can result in installing the part in the wrong location or orientation. Pictures of the actual subject help a lot when placing things the instructions don't clearly show. Experience helps too. I once got all back asswards in a build. Put the throttles on the right instead of the left. Just told everyone it was license built in Japan after the war.Whistling [:-^]

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

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  • From: Crystal Lake, IL
Posted by firesmacker on Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:10 PM

Awesome,

Thanks for the replies fellas. Rob, I checked your links and didn't find any instructions. Guess I'll have to dig a little deeper into the websites. But I do appreciate your taking the time.

I am doing mostly 1/48 WWII aircraft for now. I have a Tamaiya Pk4(insert really long german nomenclature here) that I want to tackle but I haven't built a tank since I was about 10 and like everyone else thought that it was 1 tube of glue per model minimumSmile [:)]  "Oh look, Dad, has a can of black Krylon, good enough for me"

I guess that's all part of our Hobby. The learning from mistakes and trying to make it better the next time. If I don't have almost as many parts left over at the end as ones I've used, somehow I feel as if I have failedBig Smile [:D]

One last question before I am done bending your ears. Does the fact that Eduard comes from the Czech Republic mean a long delivery time? Not a big deal but I would like to to add that into my calculations.

And Hawkeye, I am soooo stealing your explanation.....Pirate [oX)]

Thanks,

Jeff

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  • From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State
Posted by rjkplasticmod on Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:31 PM

The Eduard Zoom frets are a great way to start getting into PE.  They provide the most important & visible details without driving you crazy.  Eduards instructions are Graphic in design, but as a rule are very clear as to what has to be removed from the kit parts & where the PE details go.

Regards,  Rick

RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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  • From: Crystal Lake, IL
Posted by firesmacker on Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:07 PM

Thanks Rick,

That was mostly what I was looking for. No offense to anyone else who responded. Given enough time I can figure it out, I was mostly concerned with being left over with a bunch of parts that I had no clue as to their purpose.

Since I am the typical male and don't want a whole lot for Christmas, I went to one of the online stores and added about $400.00 worth of kits to my wish list. I then emailed that to the Boss (Wife). Who knows what will end up under the tree. I told her that My father was a Plank-Owner on the USS Kitty Hawk, hopefully she gets the hint...

Thanks again to everyone who responded.

 Jeff

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  • From: Fort Knox
Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, November 16, 2007 8:10 AM
 firesmacker wrote:

Awesome,

Thanks for the replies fellas. Rob, I checked your links and didn't find any instructions. Guess I'll have to dig a little deeper into the websites. But I do appreciate your taking the time.

I am doing mostly 1/48 WWII aircraft for now. I have a Tamaiya Pk4(insert really long german nomenclature here) that I want to tackle but I haven't built a tank since I was about 10 and like everyone else thought that it was 1 tube of glue per model minimumSmile [:)]  "Oh look, Dad, has a can of black Krylon, good enough for me"

I guess that's all part of our Hobby. The learning from mistakes and trying to make it better the next time. If I don't have almost as many parts left over at the end as ones I've used, somehow I feel as if I have failedBig Smile [:D]

One last question before I am done bending your ears. Does the fact that Eduard comes from the Czech Republic mean a long delivery time? Not a big deal but I would like to to add that into my calculations.

And Hawkeye, I am soooo stealing your explanation.....Pirate [oX)]

Thanks,

Jeff

All three of the sites I posted have the instructions to the PE sets. I will talk you through it. On Eduard's site, click on any PE product, for example, the Bf 110C set on the homepage. A pop up window appears with the product. On the pop up window, there is a link called "Instruction Sheet". Click it, and the next page has a line "Download Instruction Sheet" and below it is a link "Page 1". Often on smaller sets they list each individual page separately, but on this Big Ed set, "page 1" is actually a 20 page .pdf file. Here is a direct link to that page: http://www.eduard.cz/products/pdf/n82/8201.pdf

Eduard does this for all products, although some of the OOP ones are inactive.

The Aber site is basically the same. First I went to the English link. Click on any product (I did the Panther G set on the first page). The product page appears and a link for "download instructions" is right there a few lines from the top. Here is a direct link to the example: http://www.aber.net.pl/store/cataloque_parts/16017/16017.pdf 

The Jadar site carries several brands. Part is the PE brand. Once you go to the English site, click on the Part brand logo. It brings up a list of their product lines (different scales and categories). I clicked on 1/16th armor for the example because it is at the top of the page. It then pops up the products and if there are instructions, a camera icon to click on. Here is a direct link to the instructions for this example: http://www.jadar.com.pl/part/p16001/index.html Once there, it gives you a large photo of the actual fret and the instructions.

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  • From: Crystal Lake, IL
Posted by firesmacker on Friday, November 16, 2007 1:00 PM

DOH! I guess if I was paying attention I would have noticed that line that said "Instruction Sheet". Thanks for taking the time to help.

Jeff 

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  • From: Neenah, WI
Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Friday, November 16, 2007 2:15 PM
Delivery from Eduards isn't too bad time wise, however the shipping can kill ya. Try ordering from one of the many stocking dealers here in the US. A couple that come to mind are Sprue Brothers and CRM Hobbies.

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

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  • From: Fort Knox
Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, November 16, 2007 2:42 PM

I was not suggesting that one should purchase from these sites, just that you can see the product instruction sheets from their sites. Definitly buy locally at the store or at a reasonably priced online vendor.

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Posted by Gigatron on Monday, November 19, 2007 2:45 PM

I use a lot of Eduard PE stuff and I find that their instructions are hit and miss.

They show you what kit parts to remove, but some of the instructions on how to use their replacement pieces are a bit difficult to comprehend.  They'll show you the part that you need to use, then just use an arrow to show where it goes.  well that's great and dandy, what about orientation?  which way should the part be facing?

-Fred

 

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