The return of the Loach?

We (the Army) seem to have a hard time saying enough lets build it. They keep changing the requirements during production, during fielding, and after fielding and they wonder why they end up costing so much. Product improvements are one thing, but never establishing a true production run while still changing requirements is just bad planning. I saw this when I was with the Comanche program and this is what killed it and the original ARH, constant changes. That is why I said my gut tells me this will end up in ashes too. I say, buy a good off-the-shelf platform and then get someone else to militarize it with proven existing technology.

Okay, I off my soapbox. I do hope we get something nice and works as good or better than the KW. We will need something because the KWs are getting old.

Charlie

Retired Gunpilot wrote:

My true gut feeling is this program will get cut by the new administration. That is my opinion and no one else's. I think the Army wants too much for the dollars available in the current and future economic conditions.  Charlie

What's new, been going on since at least the "Cheyenne"

My true gut feeling is this program will get cut by the new administration. That is my opinion and no one else's. I think the Army wants too much for the dollars available in the current and future economic conditions. As to your thoughts on the stripped down AH-64, I would bet that would lose a selection process because of size. This idea was once considered for the OH-58D when they thought about just using the cobra for a scout. Also, the AH-64 cost so much per flight hour. 

I personnally hope the Augusta Bell 109 has a chance at the bid. I flew them in my civilian career before my current job and loved them. They are fast enough to keep up with the 64s and have enough room for growth potential and engine potential. I think they could become a great scout. If a single engine bird wins, I do hope it is the OH-6. I flew them and loved them much. I always said they were the corvettes of helicopters.

As I said earlier, I will be interested to see what the selection board selects. I have friends that will be on the selection board but they will not be able to tell me anything until the decision is made. They will be able to tell me who has entered but that is about all they will be able to tell me. I doubt a selection board will be setup prior to June or July. They still have an AROC and JROC to go through, which basically approves/validates their requirements document. Then when the aircraft is selected we will spend a year writing a production document. I'll keep you all posted with any news I find out, but in many cases you'll read about it from other news sources the same day I find out something.

Charlie

Charlie,

One of the alternatives Boeing's putting forth is a "stripped down" Longbow optimized for scouting.  Think it has any merit? 

There is about 9 Helicopter manufacturers interested in bidding on the bid proposal that is not even officially released. The capability development document is still being staffed internally. I personnally think the Army's emphasis is going to require a twin engine aircraft to meet the out of ground effect hover requirements with all the other capabilities the Army is planning on stuffing in the new ARH. It will require basically having the same capabilities as a Block III Apache (only smaller airframe). It will be interesting to see what the source selection board chooses.

Charlie

Amusingly, they're calling it the "Phoenix".

Rising from the ashes once again.  Go Killer Egg!!!