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Calling All Chinook experts!

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  • Member since
    November 2006
  • From: QLD Australia
Calling All Chinook experts!
Posted by cairnsy01 on Friday, June 4, 2010 5:51 AM

G,Day All,
I am curious to know if there are any Chinook Airframes (even Civil or prototype aircraft) which featured the wider chord rotors(as per D model), the D model intakes, and the aft fuselage of the A model Airframe? I'm thinking/hoping! perhaps there were airframes on the CH-47A-->CH-47C or CH-47-->CH-47C-CH-47D transitions that may have carried this bizarre config as a bit of a Frankenchook whilst testing new blades, engines etc using the older fuselage type? I am not picky on what nation, Service, Colour, Variant etc it is but would like to know if any existed (even If it is a NASA test bed or a Boeing 234.) And if possible any photo's of these aircraft.

Thanks Guys
Cairnsy

  • Member since
    September 2007
  • From: Truro Nova Scotia, Canada
Posted by SuppressionFire on Friday, June 4, 2010 6:29 AM

Not sure if you will find experts on this helicopter easily. Try your search in military web sites that had units issued this big bird. I do know they were used extensively in Vietnam by  the United States. Possibly Squadron has a 'Walk around' modeler's reference hand book you can buy.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/razordws/GB%20Badges/WMIIIGBsmall.jpg

 

 

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: The NYC.
Posted by Ish47guy on Monday, July 12, 2010 4:15 PM

Hey Cairnsy, there are Chinook experts out there, its just that not too many of them are modelers.  I've been a CH-47 crew member & mechanic for almost 20 years.

In a word, no, that could not have happened.  The A model aft end (the one that came to a sharp edge) was on A models only.  Starting with the B models onwards, the aft end was blunt.  I read somewhere that the blunt edge gave better directional stability over the sharp edge.  A models were rebuilt as C & D models.

The wide chord blades appeared on the later C models.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Ish

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Newnan, GA
Posted by J.H. Primm on Tuesday, July 27, 2010 7:59 PM

Hey Cairnsy;

I worked on and crewed CH-47As, Cs, and Ds, and worked for Columbia Helicopters on Boeing 234s.  Ish47guy is correct.

CH-47As were the only airframes that had the tapered aft pylons. They also were the only ones to carry dual wheels on the aft landig gear (this was replaced with a pair of single wheeled aft landng gear)

He is also correct in stating that the 'squared' off aft pylon trailing edge that was introduced on the B-Models, was done to improve directional stability.

Other features added to improve stability include the ventral strakes on the aft lower section of the fuel pods and on each side of the ramp, and the offset strakes on the forward part of the forward pylon.

The wider chord FRBs with accompanying rotor heads were retro fitted to C models in the mid 1980s and were standard equipment on D models. As far as engines go, you could probably get away with installing the smaller intake screen as used on A and B models and on some C models, but I believe by the time the wider FRBs were introduced all the C-models had the larger engines and larger intake screens (The engine combinations start to become convulted after about 1981 or 82... The unit I was assigned to in Korea in the early 80s had aircraft equipped with at least  two seperate versions of the T-55-L-11s, while our sister unit had some aircraft equipped with the less powerful T-55-L-7s.

The last time I was in Korea the aircraft we had were all D models and were equipped with T-55-L-712s..But there was no outward apparent differences between the L-11 and L-712 series. They both had the larger intake screens and the exhaust extended the same length from the engine cowling. 

Here is a link that might be useful.

http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/bvertol_chinook.php

HTH

Jonathan Primm

 

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