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AH-1G Cobra Questions
Posted by KnightTemplar5150 on Thursday, September 27, 2018 11:43 PM

Preparing to build the old Revell 1/32 Bell Huey AH-1G Cobra, I did a little poking around for images to verify details on the Cobra Company cockpit. There was an oversized knob molded into the face of instrument panel that had me stumped because of its size. I found my answer in this photo -

 

On the right of the panel is a prominent red placard directly above what appears to be (of all things) an ashtray. The mystery surrounding the over sized knob on the CC part is now solved, but it raises other questions for me.

The Cobra is a two man ship. If the pilot has an ashtray, it stands to reason that the gunner's position would also have an ashtray. Were G model Cobras really equipped with ashtrays? Where would the gunner's tray be located? Were they also equipped with cigarette lighters?

The rear bulkhead of the cockpit set features four rings and a rather bare shelf-like area below. Does anyone have a good photo of this area or can someone please explain to me what purpose the rings serve? 

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  • From: Sunny So. Cal... The OC
Posted by stikpusher on Friday, September 28, 2018 12:01 AM

I’ll have a look in my Squadron AH-1 Cobra Walkaround when I get home. They have some good cockpit photos in that book.

Too funny about the pilot’s ashtray. How times have changed... now the military is very anti tobacco in any form. Back then there was a small pack of cigarettes in every C-ration...

 

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Posted by KnightTemplar5150 on Friday, September 28, 2018 12:15 AM

I thought perhaps I was looking at a reconditioned panel or perhaps a custom job, but I am seeing it time and again in other photos of the G model taken from '67-'72. Now that I am intrigued by this little detail, I can't help but look for it in every photo I see. 

Most of the manuals I've looked at tend to focus on the instrument layout and switches, but I haven't found any specific mention of an ashtray. Still, it's a fun detail to work in, open or closed!

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  • From: Sunny So. Cal... The OC
Posted by stikpusher on Friday, September 28, 2018 1:04 AM

KnightTemplar5150

Most of the manuals I've looked at tend to focus on the instrument layout and switches, but I haven't found any specific mention of an ashtray. Still, it's a fun detail to work in, open or closed!

 

Agreed!

Now how are you gonna model the ashes and butts? 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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  • From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posted by Real G on Friday, September 28, 2018 2:14 AM

So THAT’S why no new tool 1/32 or 1/35 AH-1G has come out!  The anti-tobacco lobby would be up in arms like screaming chimpanzees!  As we all know, tobacco placement in model kits in any way, shape, or form is totally unacceptable, lest junior become brainwashed into a two pack a day addict!

Okay tongue in cheek mode off.  I actually hate smoking.

Maybe the gunner didn’t need an ashtray, because whenever HE lit up, the bad guys got smoked.

Okay tongue in cheek mode off for real this time.

But seriously, a really good, 1/35 modern tool AH-1G is overdue.  Kind of strange that the original helo gunship gets no love.

 

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Posted by Snake36Bravo on Friday, September 28, 2018 1:06 PM

Might explain all the cigarette butts on the front seater floor ;) Click the images for a larger version.

To answer your question on whether they had lighters like classic cars of that era did...that's a big negatory. The ash trays in the Huey didnt either. Thats why there was an engraved Zippo market in Vietnam. Photo by Tom Nutting

Si vis pacem, Para Bellum!

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Posted by KnightTemplar5150 on Friday, September 28, 2018 3:42 PM

Thanks, Snake - it seems to confirm my suspicions on the front seat position. It's good to get confirmation on the lighters as well.

Stick - not entirely sure how to approach butts and ashes. Perhaps wire or stretched sprue paired with a pinch of embossing powder and powdered pigments? Might just be easier to replace the knob and leave it closed, but I'll still poke through the spares for PE scraps that I can tinker with for a tray.

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  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Friday, September 28, 2018 4:15 PM

Hello!

Cigarettes are quite doable in 1:35. Here's how mine turned out - it's made of finely stretched sprue:

1:35 Good Morning Vietnam by Pawel

Painting it right is important. As for the ashes, just take some gray paint and it should do.

Good luck with your snake and have a nice day

PaweĊ‚

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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  • From: Sunny So. Cal... The OC
Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, September 30, 2018 2:49 AM

KnightTemplar5150

 

The rear bulkhead of the cockpit set features four rings and a rather bare shelf-like area below. Does anyone have a good photo of this area or can someone please explain to me what purpose the rings serve? 

 

I had a look in my Squadron Walk Around book. There are no good close up photos of that area. One photo does show a first aid kit mounted on the bulkhead behind the pilot’s left shoulder. Another photo shows a steel pot hanging off something by the chinstrap behind and over the pilot’s right shoulder.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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