searching for expermintal helicopter with indian name

dkmacin

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January 2003
From: Upper left side of the lower Penninsula of Mich

Posted by dkmacin on Saturday, February 5, 2005 8:49 PM

Back to the AH56. . .
Looking through my Aurora box and darn if the canopy isn't gone!
No telling when it came out in the 4-5 moves I have made since finding it.
Does someone have a canopy they can make a copy of for me? Any ideas on how to make one?

Don

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grandadjohn

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February 2003
From: phoenix

Posted by grandadjohn on Sunday, October 17, 2004 10:29 AM

Army helicopter's with individual Indian name's I'll agree with, but not aircraft try the Beech T-42 Cochise (Apache chief)
John
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upnorth

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December 2002
From: Canada / Czech Republic

Posted by upnorth on Sunday, October 17, 2004 5:14 AM

The Czech firm Legato anounced a 1/72 Cheyene about a year or so ago, I haven't seen it on the shelves of any hobby shops here in the Czech Reublic, so it may still be a future release.

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Screaminhelo

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April 2004
From: Georgia

Posted by Screaminhelo on Sunday, October 17, 2004 3:46 AM

The Blackhawk is actually the only Army helicopter not named after an Indian tribe. Although there is a Blackhawk tribe, the aircraft was named in honor of Chief Blackhawk (I don't remember what his tribe was). To my knowledge it is the only Army aircraft since WWII to be named after an individual.

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oldhooker

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July 2003
From: Piedmont Triad, NC (USA)

Posted by oldhooker on Saturday, October 16, 2004 11:03 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Awood23

These are names of fixed wing aircraft. All helos either in or that have been in the US Army are named after American Indian tribes except the cobra which even has it roots in the Iriquios UH-1

QUOTE: Originally posted by grandadjohn

...and many fixed wing aircraft have Indian name's such as Ute, Huron, Seminole, etc,

John's right, the Indian name applies to both rotary and fixed wing Army aircraft, reference: http://gunsagogo.org/0009/aindex.htm
Smile [:)]

Take care,

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grandadjohn

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February 2003
From: phoenix

Posted by grandadjohn on Saturday, October 16, 2004 7:09 PM

Maybe, but remember in 1947 there were not that many heilcopters around and the Army stated Aircraft (including both fixed and rotory wing). The name on the OH-23 is Raven, (Indian tribe or Name or after the bird.) Also there was the U-25 Army Mule, and many fixed wing aircraft have Indian name's such as Ute, Huron, Seminole, etc, nothing, I quess is set in stone.
John
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P.S. Historical note on the aircraft acquired as chase plane's for the Cheyenne Project were North American/Cavalier P-51(F-51) Mustangs, the last American military use of these aircraft

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Awood23

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May 2003
From: Belgium

Posted by Awood23 on Saturday, October 16, 2004 1:38 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by grandadjohn

Name's such as Beaver, Otter, Raven are woodland animals.

These are names of fixed wing aircraft. All helos either in or that have been in the US Army are named after American Indian tribes except the cobra which even has it roots in the Iriquios UH-1

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oldhooker

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From: Piedmont Triad, NC (USA)

Posted by oldhooker on Friday, October 15, 2004 11:49 PM

Hmmm... lets see here.....

In Lewis & Clark's journal, they wrote of a tribe of American Indians called Wetersoon, or Raven. http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/archive/resources/documents/ch09_02.htm

Also, the Otter, Beaver, and Caribou, were names endowed by their builder, the De Haviland Company, not the US Army. The "Cobra" is the one exeption to the Indian rule it seems.

Take care, Smile [:)]

Frank

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grandadjohn

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February 2003
From: phoenix

Posted by grandadjohn on Friday, October 15, 2004 7:27 PM

I might add the the exception from this rule is the Cobra whose offical name is "HueyCobra" and some aircraft acquired before 1947 or from other services(US Navy and Air Force.)
John
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albymoore

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December 2002
From: Tip O' da Mitt (Northern Michigan)

Posted by albymoore on Friday, October 15, 2004 5:49 PM

There is also a Caribou. Dinner [dinner]

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grandadjohn

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February 2003
From: phoenix

Posted by grandadjohn on Friday, October 15, 2004 5:15 PM

Name's such as Beaver, Otter, Raven are woodland animals. At work right now, I can be more specific after I get home, if anyone is interested
John
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Winnie

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February 2004

Posted by Winnie on Friday, October 15, 2004 1:44 PM

To reply to the squirrel part, that is the English name for the AS350, commonly known as the 'ASTAR' in the US, but actually called the "Fennec" for military purposes, or "Eqiurell" for civvy purposes. but then again, niot in the US inventory... Approve [^]

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HeavyArty

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December 2002
From: Valrico, FL

Posted by HeavyArty on Friday, October 15, 2004 9:38 AM

QUOTE: I can't remember any named after animals except "blackhawk".

I can't either. Actually "Blackhawk" is also an American Indian tribe from mid-west, no animal name there either.

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subfixer

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March 2004
From: Spartanburg, SC

Posted by subfixer on Friday, October 15, 2004 9:30 AM

You mean woodland animals like "squirrel" or "opposum"? Could you elaborate a little? I can't remember any named after animals except "blackhawk". But then again, I'm a former squid myself.

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grandadjohn

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February 2003
From: phoenix

Posted by grandadjohn on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 6:17 PM

As a note, all Army aircraft are named after Indian or woodland animals.
Frank, nice picture's, some brought back some memories.
John
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Awood23

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May 2003
From: Belgium

Posted by Awood23 on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:57 AM

Cobrahistorian: Unless the one at Ft Campbell is a mockup or they packed it up and moved it there was one there in August of last year.

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chopperfan

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November 2003
From: Oklahoma

Posted by chopperfan on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:11 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by oldhooker

The AH-56A, with her Test Pilot, visiting the Aviation Museum at Rucker.

To see more pictures of historic and modern Army aircraft, visit one of my archives:
http://gunsagogo.org/0009/aindex.htm

Take care,
Frank

You know I never really paid much attention until now. But, the canopy almost looks like they took it off of an OV-10 Bronco!!!

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Cobrahistorian

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December 2002
From: Aaaaah.... Alpha Apaches... A beautiful thing!

Posted by Cobrahistorian on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:15 AM

There are actually three left in existence, all at Ft. Rucker, although two of them are in storage. Neat birds!

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:12 AM

Wow, I had no idea they had one at Rucker (although it makes plenty of sense). When I was at Ft Campbell in the 80's they had one on display outside the division museum. I remember being told (obviously mistakenly) that it was the only surviving prototype. I wonder how many more are actually out there.

Al

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oldhooker

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From: Piedmont Triad, NC (USA)

Posted by oldhooker on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:41 PM

The AH-56A, with her Test Pilot, visiting the Aviation Museum at Rucker.

To see more pictures of historic and modern Army aircraft, visit one of my archives:
http://gunsagogo.org/0009/aindex.htm

Take care,
Frank

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HeavyArty

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December 2002
From: Valrico, FL

Posted by HeavyArty on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:15 PM

As a side note, all US Army Helicopters are named after American Indian tribes.

UH-1, AH-1 Iriqouis
AH-64 Apache
OH-13 Souix
OH-58 Kiowa
UH-60 Blackhawk
CH-37 Mojave
CH-34 Choctaw
RAH-66 Commanchee (Cancelled)
AH-56 Cheyenne (Cancelled)
etc.
ect.

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dkmacin

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January 2003
From: Upper left side of the lower Penninsula of Mich

Posted by dkmacin on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:45 PM

I have the Aurora kit.
The only company that makes one as far as I can tell.
The propeller on the end of the tail is what makes this thing look so silly.

Don

I know it's only rock and roll, but I like it.

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grandadjohn

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February 2003
From: phoenix

Posted by grandadjohn on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:14 PM

It was the Lockheed AH-56A Cheyenne, cancelled due to cost and a fatal accident or two. Believe someone is doing a resin kit, check
www.greatmodels.com
and
www.squadron.com
I saw it on one of those site's but I don't remember they details
John
Helicopters don't fly, they beat the air intp submission

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Cobrahistorian

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December 2002
From: Aaaaah.... Alpha Apaches... A beautiful thing!

Posted by Cobrahistorian on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 4:01 PM

The AH-56 was a late 1960s attempt at an attack helicopter. The idea was sound, but the development period was ridiculously long due to the technology just not being there (can anyone say V-22?). The "interim" solution that was fielded until the Cheyenne was ready turned out to be a much better platform at a significantly lower cost. We know it as the AH-1G HueyCobra. The program was finally axed in 1970 I believe (somewhere around that time) because it was no longer needed.
From what I know, there's only one kit out there, the old Aurora one. Anyone know anything different?

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:11 PM

http://www.helis.com/60s/h_h56.php

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GA.modelmaker

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November 2003
From: savannah ga.

Posted by GA.modelmaker on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:10 PM

i found it its the lockheed ah-56 cheyenne. has this program been axed or what. it not a cheep kit either at 62.96 from squadron. Smile [:)]

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GA.modelmaker

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November 2003
From: savannah ga.

searching for expermintal helicopter with indian name

Posted by GA.modelmaker on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 12:59 PM

hi guys need your help in locating this kit. i know this is a long shot with not much data on it. its expensive expermintal us army helocopter and i dont know if the program was cancelled or not and it does have a indian name to it. it sorta looks like an apache but with a v-tail. for the life of me i cant remember what web site i seen the darn kit on. and i have searched for it with no luck but i do know the model kit had resin and white metal parts . if you can help thanks very much rob. Big Smile [:D]

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