CH-54 references?

Screaminhelo

Member since
April 2004
From: Georgia

CH-54 references?

Posted by Screaminhelo on Saturday, December 25, 2004 6:36 AM

I am trying to gather some info on the Sky Crane. I have had some trouble finding good reference of the engines and rotor head from Vietnam. All of the display aircraft I have come across have all been post Vietnam with the engine filters and possibly some different engine accessories. I also can't find good pictures of the underside, especially the hoist. I'm sure you can all recall the Monogram kit...it needs alot of help.

Now a double digit midget!!
Mac

Mac

I Didn't do it!!!

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Cobrahistorian

Member since
December 2002
From: Aaaaah.... Alpha Apaches... A beautiful thing!

Posted by Cobrahistorian on Saturday, December 25, 2004 11:55 AM

Mac,

I'm gonna try to get up to the New England Air Museum while I'm home here in NY. They have a former CTANG Skycrane there, so I'll see if I can get some pics for ya, bud.

"1-6 is in hot"

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philp

Member since
December 2002
From: USA

Posted by philp on Saturday, December 25, 2004 1:59 PM

Some good shots here
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/aircraft/Sikorsky-SkyCrane/info/info.htm
and a good walk around here
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images4.fotki.com/v50/photos/1/147480/548874/ref_18q-vi.jpg&imgrefurl=http://public.fotki.com/pcmodeler/reference_gallery/aircraft_reference-1/ch-54_tarhe/ref_18q.html&h=296&w=450&sz=25&tbnid=04Cnat9yHrcJ:&tbnh=81&tbnw=123&start=61&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dch-54%26start%3D60%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN
Looks like you can order pics from this last one.

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Screaminhelo

Member since
April 2004
From: Georgia

Posted by Screaminhelo on Sunday, December 26, 2004 1:37 AM

Thanks for the help guys. Now all I have to do is find a kit!

Mac

Mac

I Didn't do it!!!

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Cobrahistorian

Member since
December 2002
From: Aaaaah.... Alpha Apaches... A beautiful thing!

Posted by Cobrahistorian on Sunday, December 26, 2004 9:28 AM

Mac,

I think the biggest kit out there is the Revell 1/72nd kit. Haven't seen any others of the skycrane. I'll see what I can do about getting you some ref shots.

"1-6 is in hot"

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grandadjohn

Member since
February 2003
From: phoenix

Posted by grandadjohn on Sunday, December 26, 2004 9:49 AM

Kit currently released by Revell Germany
John
helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 27, 2004 3:10 AM

Luchtvaart Hobby Shop also has a 1:72 Aurora Skycrane kit in the online catalogue. Or is that the same as the Revell-kit?
Also in this respect: is the outside of the CH54 cockpit the same as the cockpit of the CH53?
If so, we could use a (Italeri) CH53 cockpit to replace the Revell cockpit...
Just some thoughts, good luck!
Gertjan

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grandadjohn

Member since
February 2003
From: phoenix

Posted by grandadjohn on Monday, December 27, 2004 8:20 AM

If I remember right, both helo's were developed using common parts. You should be able to use parts from the 53 to spruce up the 64's cockpit. Remember the rear facing seat had flight controls for use during pick-up and delivery.
John
helicopters don't fly, the beat the air into submission

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Screaminhelo

Member since
April 2004
From: Georgia

Posted by Screaminhelo on Monday, December 27, 2004 9:43 AM

I think you're right Jon. I have considered using the head from an early 53 (I believe they turned the head around on the 53 with the D model). Any differences in the cockpits of an early 53 and a Skycrane would be minimal. The basic airframe of a 54 was a 53 without the cabin area and no driveshaft covers.

As for the Aurora kit, it has been a long time but I think that they used the same molds. Can someone confirm this?

Mac

Mac

I Didn't do it!!!

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Cobrahistorian

Member since
December 2002
From: Aaaaah.... Alpha Apaches... A beautiful thing!

Posted by Cobrahistorian on Wednesday, January 5, 2005 12:06 PM

Hey Mac,

I just found an old issue of World Airpower Journal here at my parents' house. It has a whole article on ARNG CH-54s. If you're still looking for reference material, I'll scan them in on monday and email em off to you.

"1-6 is in hot"

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Screaminhelo

Member since
April 2004
From: Georgia

Posted by Screaminhelo on Wednesday, January 5, 2005 2:15 PM

That would be great Jon!

Hopefully the only thing that I will need to get when I get home is the kit. I am planning to take a month of leave to regain my sanity so I should have a little extra time to work on a kit. I think that this would be a good time to try and stretch my skills a little bit.

Mac

P.S.
They are saying that we will be getting out of here before the end of the month!!! Maybe that light isn't a train after all.

Mac

I Didn't do it!!!

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midnightprowler

Member since
February 2003
From: East Bethel, MN

Posted by midnightprowler on Wednesday, January 5, 2005 4:50 PM

Jon, I would be interested in that article as well, I am building Revell's 1/72 bird.
Lee

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Screaminhelo

Member since
April 2004
From: Georgia

Posted by Screaminhelo on Thursday, January 6, 2005 5:47 AM

Hey Lee,
Do you mind if I sponge some material off of you when I get home?

Mac

Mac

I Didn't do it!!!

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midnightprowler

Member since
February 2003
From: East Bethel, MN

Posted by midnightprowler on Thursday, January 6, 2005 5:02 PM

Not sure what you mean, but sure.
Lee

Hi, I am Lee, I am a plastiholic.

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Tailspinturtle

Member since
February 2004
From: Connecticut

Posted by Tailspinturtle on Thursday, January 6, 2005 5:24 PM

Try this for a comparison of the Aurora and Revell kits:

http://www.sml.lr.tudelft.nl/~home/rob/models/S64.htm

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grandadjohn

Member since
February 2003
From: phoenix

Posted by grandadjohn on Thursday, January 6, 2005 8:17 PM

Maybe this photo will help, best one i have

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Screaminhelo

Member since
April 2004
From: Georgia

Posted by Screaminhelo on Thursday, January 6, 2005 9:43 PM

Lee,
Just interested in borrowing some reference material and ideas from you as you build your Crane.

Mac

Mac

I Didn't do it!!!

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grandadjohn

Member since
February 2003
From: phoenix

Posted by grandadjohn on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 5:47 PM

While looking for other photo's last night, i was going through Squadron's book "Airmobile" and found many photo's of the CH-64 in Vietnam including one of "Big Mother" being loaded with a 10,000lb bomb for it's third bombing mission. I don't know if this book is available, but it would help you guy's in detailing tour builds.

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supercobra

Member since
June 2003

Posted by supercobra on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:18 PM

Here are a few ofmy pictures of the areas you asked for. Aside from the filters I don't think there are noticable changes to the engines.

Why doesn't everyone just post pictures here rather than emailing them offline?

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FITTER

Member since
February 2003
From: USA

Posted by FITTER on Saturday, January 15, 2005 5:28 PM

My sources show that the Aurora CH-54 was released in '69, and featured separate doors which could be mounted open or closed. Judging by that kit comparison linked to by 'Tailspinturtle,' it would be worth ordering. I didn't know this stuff was still available overseas. I have the Revell kit, and while I never did build it, it looks to be pretty decent. Wouldn't it be cool if Monogram up-scaled this kit to either 1:48 or 1:32??

Here are a few scans from the driver's manual... I promised these to someone here a while back but I lost the e-mail contact information.

FITTER

(edited to add that for some reason the pictures do not enlarge when clicked on... they are actually about 8x10. I don't know if I did something wrong or what)

IBTL

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grandadjohn

Member since
February 2003
From: phoenix

Posted by grandadjohn on Sunday, January 16, 2005 6:42 AM

Love to see one in 1/48th. Revell-Monogram, anybody listening?

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 17, 2005 3:36 AM

Wow Supercobra, awesome pics!
At last some shots of the belly of the copter and the cargohook. Thank you very much!

Gertjan

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robva65

Member since
February 2003

Posted by robva65 on Wednesday, March 9, 2005 3:28 PM

FITTER,

I just happened to cruise through this thread looking for information on the Crane...and saw the thumbnails you posted!

I've got Mono's 1/72 Crane...but I've had a hell of a time coming up with any decent material on it....I've been to NEAM and have several close up shots (be happy to share 'em once I get home), but in the meantime, any chance I might be able to get my hands on those scans?

Rob

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