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EH101 Merlin 1/72
Posted by macmac650 on Sunday, September 11, 2005 10:24 AM
As the kit (both Revell and Italeri) stands, the folded position of the main rotors is totally wrong so I'm slowly but surely hacking the kits to bits so that it will sit in the proper folded position. The main rotor head has to have the two front "tension links" cut and repositioned to get the proper configuration.




Hopefully I will post other pictures when I get round to tiding up the rotorhead and folding the tail

As for the other faults with these kits, well the list is BIG.

I also apologise if the pictures keep disappearing

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 3:14 AM
I was searching the internet for images of the EH-101 Merlin , I also recently purchased the 1/72 Italeri kit . Anyway I came across a photo of the U.K.Navy HAS 1 Merlin , check out this site www.naval-technology.com On it's main page , click on the sub title "Projects" then click on "Naval Aviation" , there are a series of different aircraft photo's and technical information you can read . One of the images shows a Navy Merlin with it's rotor's in the stowed position , which is appears to be similar to the way Italeri designed their kit rotor's to fold . Let me Know what you think - I would like to be as accurate as possible when I come to build mine .

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Posted by macmac650 on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:38 PM
Checked the link, definity folded, but if you look at the instructions for both the Revell and the Italeri kits it shows the blade outside the folded tail pylon, also when you dry fit the parts, there is no way that you could fit the blade in its "proper" folded position( inboard of the tail and sitting higher), that's where surgery is required.
Here's photo of the tiger strip Merlin with just the main blades folded.


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Posted by Helo H-34 on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 6:33 PM
Your correct about the folded rotor blade position in relation to the tail rotor ; I just realized this -stupid of me not to notice it before .I haven't started my Italeri kit , I'm finishing off a CH-53D "VIP" Sea Stallion and a MH-53J Pave Low III . The Merlin will be my next project . Sorry my information didn't help that much . As for posting photo's -perhaps you could Email the Editorial Staff for assistance . Maybe they could post a Thread on how to do it . [I also would like to know how] .Good luck with your Merlin . Kind Regards John ..

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Posted by Frunobulax on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:48 PM
macmac, go to the post you did in the "Community Assistance (aka forum help) section. I replied a few minutes ago. I will look there if you need more help.
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Posted by macmac650 on Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:31 AM
Many thanks for your help, that worked a treat. I was using the URL in the address field.

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Posted by yeapjacky on Friday, September 16, 2005 1:27 AM
I have the Merlin from Italeri with me, thought havent started anything yet..~ THough nonetheless, thanks alot you guys for the infos..~ : )
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Posted by macmac650 on Friday, September 16, 2005 5:26 AM
If anybody else is thinking of buying a model of the merlin, the best one (don't know about the mk3 version) if you can call it the best is the revell as extra required parts are included, such as weapons carriers, sonar chute (flattish disc), HF aerial, rear view mirrors (that wouldn't be out of place on a huge truck) better decals. In general the revell version has more to offer, but with still a hell of a lot of faults. If resin and photoetch parts were produced to do this model justice, then the company that made them would certainly make a killing.
If you want any pointers on these kits I'll try and help (not the best builder in the world, but I thoroughly enjoyed the build and looking at my end results. Here is a Seaking MK6 I built quite a few years ago

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Monday, September 19, 2005 4:19 PM
I was just wondering what scale and kit brand was your Seaking MK6 . I always like model naval helicopters that come with rotor and tail folds. Also excellent work on the Merlin rotors.

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Posted by macmac650 on Monday, September 19, 2005 4:54 PM
Helo53 Thanks.
The Seaking is the 1/48 scale Hasegawa SH3 kit with 2 photoetch conversions (1 to convert too westland Seaking and another for Mk6, sorry I can't remember the producer of the kits) plus various scratch built parts. This is the most expensive kit I've made to date, at approximately £90.00 and that was around 7 years ago, but as I said before I enjoyed making it.
Try following this link for the EH101 http://www.agustawestland.com/products.asp
I could try taking more photgraphs if they can help you in any way.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:16 PM
pics died
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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:46 PM
Speaking of the 101, does anyone know the name of the new VH-71?
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Posted by Trigger on Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:25 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Cobrahistorian

Speaking of the 101, does anyone know the name of the new VH-71?


Uhhh... I'm going to take a wild guess here and say "Marine One?"

Just kidding. I pulled the following from the LM press release back in July:
"A popular name for the VH-71A is still under consideration."

"Kestrel" is a rumored name I found online. I know, I know... that was the Harrier prototype's name. A British VTOL design adopted by the American military in a controversial move. History repeats itself huh?

edit: Hmmm... HH-71 "Pave Kestrel" does have a nice ring to it though.
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Posted by macmac650 on Friday, September 30, 2005 11:02 AM
Not sure about "Pave Kestrel", but it does sound better than "Marine One". The version for the presidential transport looks like the Mk3 EH101 which doesn't fold, so that option for the "pave Kestrel" is out, but you could have the cargo ramp down, That's if there is going to be a ramp. I have seen some sketches of concept EH101s so here is one to get your teeth into

I have done a bit of tinkering on my model. altering the troop seats so that there is a single and a three man version, the electronics console required altering and and the internal avionics doors required reshaping , again when i get round to photographs I will post them.

Many thanks All

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Posted by macmac650 on Sunday, October 9, 2005 7:58 AM
Another good link for details on the EH101 is:
http://www.agustawestland.com/dindoc/EH101_Maritime.pdf

This includes text, photographs and cutaway drawings.
Let me know what you think.

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Posted by paintchips on Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:44 PM
EH101 is a piece of junk, the S-92 blew it out of the water in all testing, design, structural, performance, component life, and reduced operating expense. The S-92 had three aircraft in the air during the paris airshow, both EH101 where in the parking lot with transmission leaks. Plus i hear they are going to be 3 years late in delivering the presendents aircraft.

It was a sad day in Sikorsky History. I can't believe we lost that contract.
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Posted by macmac650 on Monday, October 31, 2005 6:52 AM
Yes the EH101 has its fault, but ( in my view) it looks a hell of alot better than the S-92. The EH101 is a completely new design so there is going to be teething problems, granted big problems, but it will get there in the end.
Look at the model kit for the EH101 even that has major build problems, is there a link between the model and the full scale versions--you descide.

As for contracts, how much of that was politics??

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Posted by paintchips on Monday, October 31, 2005 7:06 AM
yes it is a sleak aircraft, i will give it that, but head to head, we won hands down. As far as politics are concerned, i would have to say it was, the contract specifications were almost directly written for the EH101 and thier current equipment, even though we have more advanced electronics as well as improved performance. from what i am told, the reason the EH101 was chosen is because it has 3 engines and the S-92 has 2, i guess from a survivability stand point 3 is better than 2, even though they can both safely land under the power of one.

Oh well, its frustrating. So whens that S-92 model coming out?
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Posted by macmac650 on Monday, October 31, 2005 7:16 AM
For the EH101, the aircraft went into military service at the end of 1998, the model was release in 2003. Will it take that long for the S-92, I doubt it. The model manufacturers have a larger choice of aircraft, vehicles and ships within the USA and as there is a much larger market within the USA then I would say about a year and you will start to see various versions of the S-92 appearing. How accurate they will be ............

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Posted by macmac650 on Friday, April 7, 2006 6:09 PM

Many Apologies for not adding any posts, but I have been unable to do any work on my model for far to many months. I hope to finish detailing the rotor head and start adding internal details such as modified "mission console", troop seats and adding the ADS sonar fit. Hopefully the photo links will stay intact ( I still don't know why they keep failing and it peeves me off no end that they keep failing).

As to what the American presidental aircraft should be called --------Hope one----------------   Hope one day it will fly and keep flying.

As I have said before yes the EH101 does look better( sorry paintchips) but sikorsky aircraft WORK( I bow my head to paintchips)( Sorry paintchips but yes you are right, but teething problem do go with a new design, and no I am not defending british design). There is far to many faults with the EH101 that need sorting for it to be a valid aircraft capable of doing the tasks required of it( Again paintchips you are the man).

Here is a view of the underside of the EH101 ideal for positioning the aerials and the sonar parts in the kit

Anyway  when I finish any work on the model I will post whatever I have done. If you all need or have any information please let me know.

 

All the best from the UK and keep modelling to the best of YOUR ability.

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Posted by macmac650 on Monday, April 17, 2006 9:30 AM

I have had a play with my Italeri EH101( the worst of the two kits) hacking the tail to bits to try to convert it to the concept AEW version, also I have started to add a little extra length to the cabin area. As you can see the work is very very rough at the moment.


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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 17, 2006 9:51 AM
The kit indeed has many errors. I'm building the italeri kit, with eduard PE, and there are still so many errors, that i stopped listing them. Here is my gallery, where you can find some in-progress pics (pages 4+). http://makete.net/galerija/album243?page=4
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Posted by macmac650 on Monday, April 17, 2006 5:30 PM

Cheers Phoinix I wasn't aware that there was a PE set available for the EH101. Great pics of your EH 101. I have now ordered the set from Eduard (the shipping to the UK was almost as much as the set, but worth it I think). 

 If anyone is after a PE  for the RAF MK 3 version these are on sale at the site ( I bought one, will come in handy at some point in the future) for $6.95 so grab a bargain while you can.

Again thanks Phoinix, I would have waited years to find out about this set if it wasn't for the Finescale modeller web site. The tip, hints, help and encouragement that I have seen from everyone within the whole site keeps you going .

And yes I do still wait for the next issue of FSM to arrive on my doorstep.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:06 AM

Great build Macmac650!

I agree with you that the EH101 does look alot better than the S92. I still cannot believe that the S92 comes from the same factory that did the S76, imho one of the best looking helicopters ever. The Sea King and Black Hawk don't look too bad either.

Btw: just read a first users-report on the S92 by Cougar Helicopters in Vertical magazine. Cougar Helicopters is one of the first offshore companies that has the S92. Although they were generally pleased with the machine, it did have some teething problems, which ofcourse is not uncommon. What struck me more, was a rumour (also by Vertical Magazine) that stated that Sikorsky had plans to add a fifth main rotor blade to the S92 to counter ongoing vibration problems...?!!?  

regards, Gertjan

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Posted by macmac650 on Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:07 PM

Many thanks GeejeeZ.

Vibration seems to be a major factor with both the EH101 and the S92, and as you have said teething problems are there for every aircraft. I am ever so slightly biased towards the EH101 Merlin as I have worked on the aircraft since it entered service in the Royal Navy (Fleet Air Arm), I had many happy years working on the Sea King (mk2 original, mk 5 & mk 6) I still think the Sea King is the most reliable rotary aircraft flying today.

Sikorsky are still the world leader in helicopter design and reliabilty, but they need to have a serious think about what is seen by the world as a design that will see the company in to the 21st century, and not use a design that has been around since the early 50's (Electronics excluded).

Another sorry note goes out to paintchips.

But---- on the US 101 I still haven't seen a name for the aircraft apart from VH71, VH71A.

 

A note to Phoinix-- the Eduard photo etch kit (Waiting for its arrival) is still with its errors (but still a vast step forward from the original kits from Italeri and Revell). For example behind the pilots the control rods on the Navy version (Shown on the RAF version by Eduard) are enclosed in a screen and not visible. Again the list goes on and on.  Major whinge-----Considering that Revell were meant to have had assistance from (according to the instruction sheets) I quote " Revell AG thank the following for their generous assistance during the preparation of this kit: the public relations staff and members of Nos. 814 and 824 Naval Air Squadrons, Royal Naval Air Station Culdrose, UK and Augusta-Westland Helicopters at Yeovil" ---------What were Revell SHOWN ????? With this many errors were they shown a drawing of a concept aircraft or were they shown around actual aircraft? (Italeri make no such claim)

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Posted by Trigger on Friday, April 21, 2006 12:31 AM
 macmac650 wrote:

Sikorsky are still the world leader in helicopter design and reliabilty, but they need to have a serious think about what is seen by the world as a design that will see the company in to the 21st century, and not use a design that has been around since the early 50's (Electronics excluded).



I'm curious; can you elaborate on this please?
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Posted by macmac650 on Sunday, April 23, 2006 4:27 AM

Trigger

What I meant is that the Sikorsky S92 looks very much similar too every other "big" helicopter that they have designed (Ok, why change something if it is a proven design). I'm not having a dig at Sikorsky, if you look at the helicopter industry the builders use upgraded older designs.

I hope this makes sense?

 

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Posted by macmac650 on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:28 PM

To all

I won't be adding any detail to my EH101 for at least 2 months as I will be away (work commitments), once I return I hope to update my pictures.

I am not for or against the EH101, I am not for or against the S92. Both these aircraft have their faults, don't all new aircraft. I just want to build a model of the EH101 and I will happily chew the fat with anyone interested in these aircraft, but please, all I want to do is build a model to the best of my ability (Any help along the way will be much appreciated --please)

 

I hope you all have the same support that I have for pursuing my modelling interests whether it be aircraft (Fixed wing), aircraft (Rotary wing), cars of all types and motorbikes (My favourite from chopper to MotoGP{not just modelling}). My whole family will comment (good or bad or you’ve spent far to much time on that today or clean up that mess). Comments from other model builders are definitely welcome again good or bad (how else can you go forward), and I will give comment on other model builds as I personally see them( if asked), if I am wrong,  I hope the errors that  I have made will be pointed out to me.

Model building should be an enjoyable occasion( with the odd ***** what am I doing moments), fitting in with every day life where time allows. As my wife keeps pointing out “Is it going to be one of your hours or one of mine” (Male hour---as long as it takes. Female----60 minutes)

KEEP FILLING THE FINER DETAILS IN and do your best

 

 

 

 

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Posted by macmac650 on Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:35 AM

Sorry that I Haven't posted anything for a long time. I have made head way with my model( I hope to post some of the photos).  I have bought the Eduard photoetch kit, this really does help make the kit come to life( check photo evidence before use some of items). I will say that even with the photoetch I still have alot of work. 

The work I have carried out so far is:

Made a three man seat ,a single man seat, Sonar system, sonabouy dispensor, adjusted the main cabin console, soundproofing panels within the cabin area, intercom leads.

I closed the fuselage sides and -------------all gone. I know they are there but ..... was it worth it, yes, for me it was.

I'm still looking forward to the Itateri 1:48 version if it ever appears.

 

mac

 

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Posted by TMN1 on Friday, December 5, 2008 7:05 AM

Last time i visited the AgustaWestland EH-101 assembly line in Yeovil, England the presidential helicopters were being put together, and to answer a question in  earlier post, no the presidential version will not have a rear ramp, it will have a much narrower rear door.

About the EH-101 vs S-92 discussion. I work in the royal danish airforce and we have alot of problems with our EH-101's, I asked some of my friends who work for CHC how their new S-92's were doing, and they had much the same problems, they said they would rather have the NH-90. I don't know. I like the EH-101 because it gives me alot of work and overtime so i have more money to buy models.

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