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Saw Four Unique Birds Today and Wanted to Share!

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Saw Four Unique Birds Today and Wanted to Share!
Posted by Cobrahistorian on Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:04 AM

Hey all,

I spent the day at the NASM's Udvar-Hazy center in Virginia today.  While I took well over 100 pics I wanted to share these birds with my buddies on the helo forum.

The first one is the easy one:

The Sikorsky XR-4

This next one, you couldn't PAY me to fly... Rotor's too darn close to your head!

Focke-Achgelis Fa-330

and this one?  Well, its pretty neat, but totally impractical as a military aircraft....

Kellett YO-60 Autogiro

And this last one pretty much everyone knows

hmmm... the V-22's older brother!

 

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Posted by grandadjohn on Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:53 AM
Thanks, Jon
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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Saturday, November 12, 2005 11:11 AM

Cool shots, Jon.

Any idea what the heck the Fa-330 uses for a powerplant?

 

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Posted by oldhooker on Saturday, November 12, 2005 11:38 AM

Nice pics, Jon!   Smile [:)]      Talk about "like a kid in a candy store"... for it's exactly as I am when I

get to visit a place like that!     There's SO much to see it's hardly possible to digest it all, thus,

your pictures helps us slow down. Smile [:)]   Thanks!

 

Take care,

Frank

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Posted by grandadjohn on Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:41 PM
Believe that one was wind-powered, towed behind a U-boat
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:50 PM

 grandadjohn wrote:
Believe that one was wind-powered, towed behind a U-boat

Correct, it was towed auto gyro used for scouting and spotting shell falls over the horizon (for battleships).

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Posted by m60a3 on Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:18 PM
AH1WSnake beat me to the question. No visible power supply. Then I thought granddadjon was being facetious, but the tone of the reply suggested not.
 So, that being the case, anyone know how the fa-330 handled? That's a cool looking helo. Gives a new look on the name "little bird".
 So now I got to know if they were a viable a/c, and a u-boat is/wasn't too fast, then wouldn't one of these have better performance towed behind my truck? With my wife driving? Me flying? After flying lessons?

 I was an Army Tanker. A bit different from a chopper pilot. All my respect to you pilots.
 But would it work?

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Posted by grandadjohn on Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:55 PM

I don't know how it handled, but I do remember deeing a photo of it somplace being towed by a U-boat.

Think you would be able to fly it while being towed by your wife, only restrection I see would be you would need a lot of open space with nothing overhead to do it. And yes you would need lots of flying leasons and stick time to do it though.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:24 PM
 grandadjohn wrote:

I don't know how it handled, but I do remember deeing a photo of it somplace being towed by a U-boat.

Think you would be able to fly it while being towed by your wife, only restrection I see would be you would need a lot of open space with nothing overhead to do it. And yes you would need lots of flying leasons and stick time to do it though.

 

I believe that was the most common use, by the time they were developed well enough for deployment surface gunnery was swithching to radar.

LOTS of stick time I bet.

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Posted by AH1Wsnake on Sunday, November 13, 2005 1:56 AM

Hey m60a3,
The FA-330 doesn't look too hard to do a 1:1 scratchbuild on......let us know how your initial test-hop goes, if you survive! Laugh [(-D]

 

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Monday, November 14, 2005 6:01 PM

Yep, the Fa330 was an autogyro.  Neat little contraption, but heck if I'd get in one! 

This trip has gotten my creative wheels turning... I am slowly but surely hashing out plans to tackle my 35th scale R-4 scratchbuild.  Lots of styrene rod stock!  My only major issue is going to be the rotor hub and the rotor blades themselves.  The spar & rib construction is going to be hell to build!  I figure once I've got the main structure built, I'm going to cover it with tissue paper, dope it and paint it.

The Apache article build is coming along pretty well.  I'm working on the sensor turret mount now and man is it taking a LOT of work!

 

 

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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Monday, November 14, 2005 6:14 PM

Ah, yes.  The Udvar-Hazy center.  I was able to go there on my trip to DC last summer.  Wonderful place.  The Concorde is nice, and the Enola Gay is simply breathtaking.  From the looks of it, though, I think a few more aircraft were added since I've been there.  Just wondering, what is that just behind the Fa 330?  The German one, on the left side of the pic?  Is that a Do 335 I see?  If so, it is DEFINITELY new.  This then leads to the simple fact- I have to go back!

Anyway, very interesting set of birds.  Heck, slap a motor on the Fa 330, and I'd fly it!  It'd be great, flying everywhere.  Besides, I'm short, to headroom isn't a issue! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Monday, November 14, 2005 7:11 PM
Yep! That's a Do335 alright!  The 335 is behind the Fa330 and the He219 is to the right of it.  Unfortunately the Uhu is just a fuselage right now, but they're saying its wings and gear should be on soon.  They are adding at least one new aircraft per week right now and still have plenty of room to spare.  I personally can't wait to see the Ta-152, but its still being restored.  The Japanese Nick is going to look pretty cool once its wings are on and its up on its gear. 
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Posted by Lucien Harpress on Monday, November 14, 2005 7:27 PM
Wow!  I DO need to go back!  Love the Calvin and Hobbes, by the way!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 14, 2005 8:59 PM

Geez...I wish I lived in the US so getting to Udvar-Hazy wouldn't be so damned expensive! More pics please!

BTW isthe Horten Ho229 flying wing fighter anywhere near going on display?

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Monday, November 14, 2005 9:57 PM

K5054,

Funny you should ask... no, the Ho229 is not on display, but three Horten flying wings are!  One center section has just been brought out and is sitting, on its side, unrestored next to the Fw190F.  The other two are gliders which are suspended from the ceiling. 

I think I'm going to make my photobucket album public, so everyone can see my pics.  Gonna see how I go about doing that.  Stay tuned!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 14, 2005 10:08 PM

Excellent...can't wait! I know I wouldn't be the only visitor!

Zac

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Posted by rdxpress on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:48 AM

Hey all,

   Cobra, Thanks for the picks, I always wondered what happened to Col. Merriels toy, The XV-15, I  was at Eddies airplane

patch when it was flying  along with the 2 seat A-10B.

 Claymore, the Fa-330 was only flown (was designed) to  be used by Uboats, mostly typeXXIs  but wasn't all that

successful, Would you want to be the pilot when the sub crashed dived? Talk about being hung out to dry, or in

this case getting wet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                           Good Hunting,

                                                   G.W.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  

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