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The Trumpeter CH-47A arrived today...

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  • Member since
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  • From: Newnan, GA
The Trumpeter CH-47A arrived today...
Posted by J.H. Primm on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 2:04 PM

when I was home for lunch and I thought I'd I'd give my first impressions. I will update further when I get home this evening.

I glanced through the instruction sheet and much to my surprise and joy, I see that  rotating and stationary swashplates are included, pitch change links are provided as seperate pieces and there are even two piece drive links for the rotating swashplate. On the stationary swashplate there are attachment points for the pivoting and swiveling (lateral and longitudinal) actuators which I beleive will have to be scratch built, along with the LCT actuators and other items if one wants to display the forward and aft pylon work platforms opened.

There is simulated sound proofing molded as part of the fuselage interiors and the cabin floor has good detail. The aft landing gear struts look good, but I will have to check and make sure that the aft wheels are smaller in diameter than those for the forward landing gear. I didn't see any troop seats, so those will probably have to be scratchbuilt as well. The cooling vent on top of the forward pylon will have to be filled in but that is easy enough, some of the colors they call for such as interior green for the aft cabin, ramp area and siilver pitch change links are wrong, but those are minor points.

My initial impression is that it is a very good kit, and will look fine to anyone who isn't intimately familiar with Chinooks, but for those of us who have spent time bustin knuckles while changing the tach generator on the #1 engine, or trying to get the safety wire installed on the top mount bolts on the aft transmission oil filter housing  (those of you who have done that know what that involves), eating dust while calling sling loads or clearing the aircraft into LZs, it will need some work.

As I mentioned I will provide detailed info after I have a chance to look closely at this kit.

It looks to be well worth the money I paid that guy in France.

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  • From: Seattle
Posted by Papa-Echo-64 on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 3:05 PM

Thanks Mr. Primm.

Too bad about those missing bench seats and the perfectly STRAIGHT and NEET soundproofing....I never saw it like that in even on rebuilt and modern Hooks let alone on any Helo.

None the less an easy fix and a GOOD KIT!!!  I took mine over to the Hobby Shop last night and they said "WHAT THE %^#$!"  .....they were drooling......looks like we beat the retail here in the U.S. by 4 to 8 days.....Stevens supply has them and should start showing up at the stores by this Friday or when ever.....also looks like I beat my shops price by 20.00 bucks.

What do you think about those rivets on the cargo floor... pretty big huh?......its been years since my joy ride in 87 while in the reserves but I thought thefloor was flat other than the cargo ring holes and anti skid surface...( at least the Hooks at Ft. Lewis at the time had dark grey non skid all over the place )

Can't wait to DIG IN!!!!

PLEASE COBRA COMPANY!!! HEAR OUR PRAYERS!!!!

Straighten up and fly right.....
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Posted by J.H. Primm on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 3:20 PM
 Papa-Echo-64 wrote:

What do you think about those rivets on the cargo floor... pretty big huh?......its been years since my joy ride in 87 while in the reserves but I thought thefloor was flat other than the cargo ring holes and anti skid surface...( at least the Hooks at Ft. Lewis at the time had dark grey non skid all over the place )

I just had a couple of minutes to look at it, I did notice the tiedown rings which look pretty good, there should be larger tiedown rings along the outboard edges of the floor along the fuselage, but these can be replicated with some safety wire or solder. I'll have to look again to see what kind of pattern they have, but I can assure you that there are NO rivets in any of the floor panels. Maybe on the strips where the tiedowns were mounted. 

If my memory serves me correctly, there are eight floor panels in the cabin, so maybe they werre trying to replicate the bolt heads (I think button head screws may have been installed at the factory, but we used AN bolts because they were easier to install and remove when pulling the floor panels during phase maintenance. I used to know the exact count but I can't remember now, I just know it took a while with  3/8ths and 7/16ths sockets and speed handle to pull all the floor panels.)

 

Jonathan Primm

 

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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 3:48 PM

Censored [censored]UUUURRRGGGG!!!  Censored [censored]Angry [:(!]Angry [:(!]

 

Mine still hasen't showed up.  Hoping the DHL man will come today.  You guys are killing me.

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  • From: Newnan, GA
Posted by J.H. Primm on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 3:57 PM

I can't wait for the D model to show up, then I can buy a "Crash Hawk" to use as a sling load!

Bwahahahaha

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Posted by Chief Snake on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 5:38 PM
Uh, what are you praying for?

Chief Snake

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Posted by Papa-Echo-64 on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 6:05 PM

Thanks for asking Chris......Oh......just a few small things like the needed exterior AIRFRAME repairs, interior framework/lightning holes and details, better rotor details, ready to go pre designed realistic looking soundproofing and all the goodies to make any of the GUNS A  GO GO Hooks.  ( sound proofing would be for those birds not built as the 'Heavy' Hooks of course.

I can understand the soundproofing may not be a high priority but it would be nice.

Thats not too much is it?

Straighten up and fly right.....
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Posted by Chief Snake on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 6:20 PM
Actually I have the sound proofing licked, just not ready to market. The inside of the rear end is missing...

Chief Snake

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Posted by J.H. Primm on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 6:34 PM

Yeah, little inconsequential stuff like the aft transmission, #7 & #8 drive shafts(or at least the enclosure that goes around them), APU, and other assorted stuff.

The stand offs for the HF antennas should be about half as long as they are, The aft landing gear tires wheels are too large in diameter, and as has been pointed out before, the oil cooler shaft access panels are located too far aft. The engine cowls will need to be modified if they are to be displayed in the open position.

It looks like they got the tiedown detail right on the floor, but the floor panels between the rows of tiedowns are wrong, (most people wont notice or care) and as you pointed out the clear parts will need to be modified.

I almost forgot, the cargo hook beam will need to be replaced and there is no winch in the floor just aft of the heater,

 

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  • From: Seattle
Posted by Papa-Echo-64 on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 7:35 PM

 Chief Snake wrote:
Actually I have the sound proofing licked, just not ready to market. The inside of the rear end is missing...

Chief Snake

I guess you can say that this baby 'Don't got back'

Chief....soon? 

Straighten up and fly right.....
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Posted by Chief Snake on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 8:05 PM
There's a huge amount of work to do. Not difficult but tedious and has to be castable. Soon?  If you're eager to build don't wait on me.

Chief Snake

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 10:47 PM

Hey guys!!

I need a bit of info on the CH-47A kit.

I know that the parts are provided to make it with doul rear wheels but is there parts to make the much more commin single rear wheels??  This question has been eating away at me for weeks and I thought sence you all have the kit now that you could answer this for me.

Only a hand full of early Hooks had those duel rear wheels which are appropriate for the one with the high vis markings option but I'm thinking that the other one had the single rear wheels.  If  the duels are the only way to make it then I will have to undertake making me some single wheel struts for my CH-47A.

Enjoy.

MarkSmile [:)]

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Posted by Papa-Echo-64 on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 11:18 PM

No rush Chief.  Its cool just knowing your working things over. 

THANK YOU!!!

 

 

Straighten up and fly right.....
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Posted by Avus on Thursday, February 9, 2006 1:51 AM

Thank you guys for sharing your insight on the model and for making us green with envy !!! Angry [:(!]Big Smile [:D]

 Chief Snake wrote:
Uh, what are you praying for?

Chief Snake

I know it's not the the "Delta" Hook but:
Are you working on a MH-47E conversion, perchance?

 

Klaus

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 9, 2006 2:22 AM

Hey Chief!!!

I have to agree with Avus.

We have got to have a MH-47E conversion kit for the Trump CH-47D to honor those of the 160th SOR!!!   It's a fine helo and one mean looking machine and we must pay tribute to it!!!

Chief!!  I'm on my knees begging you!!!   Please!!!   Please!!!Sigh [sigh]

MarkSmile [:)]

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Posted by J.H. Primm on Thursday, February 9, 2006 3:45 AM
 marke wrote:

Hey Chief!!!

I have to agree with Avus.

We have got to have a MH-47E conversion kit for the Trump CH-47D to honor those of the 160th SOR!!!   It's a fine helo and one mean looking machine and we must pay tribute to it!!!

Chief!!  I'm on my knees begging you!!!   Please!!!   Please!!!Sigh [sigh]

MarkSmile [:)]

Relax,

What do you think the 160th used before they had MH-47Es?....Yep, CH-47Ds, some were sent to Shreveport to get weather radar, FLIR turrets and some other mods, but when I was assigned to the unit, most of the 13 aircraft in A Company and the 12 Aircraft in B Company were 'vanillia' CH-47Ds with some slight mods mostly stuff like SINCGARS and a couple with SATCOM radios, and most had the airframe mods to take the fast rope fixtures at the crew door and on the ramp. Some had the in flight refuel probe, but they were the exception not the rule.

So before you get your panties in a wad, just wait and see what the man can do for us Wink [;)]

Jonathan Primm, 2/160th SOAR,  1990-1993

 

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  • From: Newnan, GA
Posted by J.H. Primm on Thursday, February 9, 2006 4:09 AM
 marke wrote:

Hey guys!!

I need a bit of info on the CH-47A kit.

I know that the parts are provided to make it with doul rear wheels but is there parts to make the much more commin single rear wheels??  This question has been eating away at me for weeks and I thought sence you all have the kit now that you could answer this for me.

Only a hand full of early Hooks had those duel rear wheels which are appropriate for the one with the high vis markings option but I'm thinking that the other one had the single rear wheels.  If  the duels are the only way to make it then I will have to undertake making me some single wheel struts for my CH-47A.

Enjoy.

MarkSmile [:)]

No, the kit comes only with a set up to do dual wheels on the aft landing gear struts.

 There are significant differences bewteen the two set ups, so I don't think you will be able to use what is in the kit, unless you can recast the metal parts. Also, on first look, the tires and wheels for the aft gear in the kit look to be the same size as the forward gear, which I think is wrong. If I'm not mistaken the tires and wheels on the aft gear were of a smaller diameter, others may know more though.Wink [;)]

 

Jonathan Primm

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Posted by LemonJello on Thursday, February 9, 2006 6:03 AM
So, that was the roar that shook the sky?  All of you cheering when you opened up those boxes and saw all those sprues?  Well, don't just sit there with those silly grins on your faces, get building!  I can't wait to see what you all do with this long awaited kit.  Just take lots of pictures and post often so those of us less fortunate builders can live vicariously through you.
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Posted by intruder_bass on Thursday, February 9, 2006 1:26 PM

LOL

At least show us some close up shots of the inside parts))

Thanks

 

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