Someone mentioned HMH-461 recently...

SSgtD6152 wrote:

J.H. Primm wrote:  SSgtD6152 wrote: God, I know how that is, doing the USS 500. I just go to sleep, when we have to do that. I do not like just sitting on the deck and turning for ever ether. I'm getting all kinds of info to day. I did not know that the Canadian's have Phrog's too.http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/equip/grfx/equip_gallery/historic_gallery/wallpaper/voyageur.jpg Not quite, they look like '46s but the CH-113 is a little different, the Japanese KV-107s are similiar as are the birds the Swedes use(d). If I remember correctly the biggest difference could be seen in the aft pylon and stub wings. The foreign birds also relied on a huge battery instead of an APU. I know there are other differences but they don't come to mind, but then I am basing my knowledge on what was current in the late 70s.   Yep, I Know about the Japanese bird's. I just did not know about the boys up North.   My GySgt, is getting mad at me, He He. I keep telling him about the HMH thing. I keeps saying that is B.S, we never did that. He will not look at my computer.

What a BOOT! He don't know about the Oooooooooold Corps!

But then, it was damn near thirty years ago. Still, just because he wasn't around to see it, doesn't mean it wasn't standard practice within MAG-26 and MAG-29.

Do some research on Squadron histories and you will see that it WAS common. Maybe I should send scans of some of the flight schedules and PODs from when I was in HMH-461, I think I have more photos of the float and I'll try to get them posted.

J.H. Primm wrote:

SSgtD6152 wrote: God, I know how that is, doing the USS 500. I just go to sleep, when we have to do that. I do not like just sitting on the deck and turning for ever ether. I'm getting all kinds of info to day. I did not know that the Canadian's have Phrog's too.http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/equip/grfx/equip_gallery/historic_gallery/wallpaper/voyageur.jpg Not quite, they look like '46s but the CH-113 is a little different, the Japanese KV-107s are similiar as are the birds the Swedes use(d). If I remember correctly the biggest difference could be seen in the aft pylon and stub wings. The foreign birds also relied on a huge battery instead of an APU. I know there are other differences but they don't come to mind, but then I am basing my knowledge on what was current in the late 70s.

Yep, I Know about the Japanese bird's. I just did not know about the boys up North.

My GySgt, is getting mad at me, He He. I keep telling him about the HMH thing. I keeps saying that is B.S, we never did that. He will not look at my computer.

SSgtD6152 wrote:

God, I know how that is, doing the USS 500. I just go to sleep, when we have to do that. I do not like just sitting on the deck and turning for ever ether. I'm getting all kinds of info to day. I did not know that the Canadian's have Phrog's too.http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/equip/grfx/equip_gallery/historic_gallery/wallpaper/voyageur.jpg

Not quite, they look like '46s but the CH-113 is a little different, the Japanese KV-107s are similiar as are the birds the Swedes use(d).

If I remember correctly the biggest difference could be seen in the aft pylon and stub wings. The foreign birds also relied on a huge battery instead of an APU.

I know there are other differences but they don't come to mind, but then I am basing my knowledge on what was current in the late 70s.

SSgtD6152 wrote:

ridleusmc wrote: I was the guy that mentioned 461.  The new Academy 53E kit has their markings, which I'm going to have to change.  I'm an airframer for HMH-464.  461 is our "sister squadron."  We share a hanger and our flightlines are right next to each other.  461 has a great bunch of guys.  We end up sharing GSE and materials to keep big, tempermantal helicopters in the air.  We end up working well together.  You won't remember 464 from the late 70's, because 464 was activated in 81.  I can't tell where on the air station that first picture was taken.  I'm sure squadrons have moved many times since 1976.  My question is:  How does a HMH end up having phrogs.  That's unheard of nowadays.  HMM's take on 53's, Hueys and Cobras for Marine Expeditionary Units, but I've never seen an HMH with phrogs.  Thanks for sharing the pics.  Semper Fi, Chris        I was thinking the same thing. What was a HMH unit doing with Phrog's? I did not know we did that, back then.

I'm not sure when they stopped. I do know that it was going on as late as 1980 when I got out.

One of the most boring missions while aboard ship was having to crew a bird while flying "Starboard Delta" during flight ops.

ridleusmc wrote:

I was the guy that mentioned 461.  The new Academy 53E kit has their markings, which I'm going to have to change.  I'm an airframer for HMH-464.  461 is our "sister squadron."  We share a hanger and our flightlines are right next to each other.  461 has a great bunch of guys.  We end up sharing GSE and materials to keep big, tempermantal helicopters in the air.  We end up working well together.  You won't remember 464 from the late 70's, because 464 was activated in 81.  I can't tell where on the air station that first picture was taken.  I'm sure squadrons have moved many times since 1976.  My question is:  How does a HMH end up having phrogs.  That's unheard of nowadays.  HMM's take on 53's, Hueys and Cobras for Marine Expeditionary Units, but I've never seen an HMH with phrogs.  Thanks for sharing the pics.  Semper Fi, Chris

ridleusmc wrote:

I was the guy that mentioned 461.  The new Academy 53E kit has their markings, which I'm going to have to change.  I'm an airframer for HMH-464.  461 is our "sister squadron."  We share a hanger and our flightlines are right next to each other.  461 has a great bunch of guys.  We end up sharing GSE and materials to keep big, tempermantal helicopters in the air.  We end up working well together.  You won't remember 464 from the late 70's, because 464 was activated in 81.  I can't tell where on the air station that first picture was taken.  I'm sure squadrons have moved many times since 1976.  My question is:  How does a HMH end up having phrogs.  That's unheard of nowadays.  HMM's take on 53's, Hueys and Cobras for Marine Expeditionary Units, but I've never seen an HMH with phrogs.  Thanks for sharing the pics.  Semper Fi, Chris

Oh yeah, The Area that 461 used to occupy was the older hangar on the north side of the ramp. The training sqaudron was direct across the hangar and and the other CH-53 squadron was in there as well with all the other 46s squadrons in the newer hangars just oon the other side of the bird bath and the VMO, HMA and HML squadrons on the south edge of the ramp.

Once upon a time MAG-26 used to send HMHs aboard ship with Dets from HMMs, HMAs, and HMLs, for Carribean and NATO floats. Most Med Cruises were based around HMMs. This was before AV-8s started being deployed on LPHs.

In this particular instance HMM-162 provided 4 CH-46s along with crews to HMH-461 for a Carribean Cruise aboard Guadalcanal, from Jan to Apr of 77, and hung on to us for "Operation Solid Shield" later that same year, were finally released back to HMM-162 in June of 77.

The composition of the embarked squadron for this particular float was 12 CH-53Ds, 4 CH-46Fs, 4 AH-1s and 2 UH-1Ns.

Jonathan Primm

I was the guy that mentioned 461.  The new Academy 53E kit has their markings, which I'm going to have to change.  I'm an airframer for HMH-464.  461 is our "sister squadron."  We share a hanger and our flightlines are right next to each other.  461 has a great bunch of guys.  We end up sharing GSE and materials to keep big, tempermantal helicopters in the air.  We end up working well together.  You won't remember 464 from the late 70's, because 464 was activated in 81.  I can't tell where on the air station that first picture was taken.  I'm sure squadrons have moved many times since 1976.  My question is:  How does a HMH end up having phrogs.  That's unheard of nowadays.  HMM's take on 53's, Hueys and Cobras for Marine Expeditionary Units, but I've never seen an HMH with phrogs.  Thanks for sharing the pics. 

Semper Fi,

Chris