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Potential Group Build Idea
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 10, 2006 9:28 AM

A seperate post got me to thinking (which is usually a very dangerous thing).  How's about a group build with the topic being a "what if" for a potential replacement for the Pavehawk (CSAR-X)?  A few that come to mind are the obvoius contenders (H-92, H-101, H-47), but I wouldn't stop there.  Folks could even do a Puma, or anything else they thought might work.  A Hip dressed in gray with USAF markings....blows my mind.  What about a Super Frelon?  An HH-53K?

Just spitballing.

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Posted by Trigger on Monday, April 10, 2006 3:06 PM
Banged Head [banghead] Banged Head [banghead] Banged Head [banghead] Banged Head [banghead] Banged Head [banghead]

Censored [censored]!! Why you gotta taunt me like this when I'm so far behind on my existing GBs?!?
That's so not fair! Dude, just for that, I ought to build a Censored [censored] HV-22D Pave Prey in Alaskan markings and skis!!!!
Evil [}:)]

Seriously though, if this happens, put me down for an HH-71D Pave Merlin and an HH-47G Pave Hook. The big question is - what will you build Sal?

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Posted by Avus on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:13 AM

You named it ... almost!
A Pave-Hormone (Ka-25), that's what my twisted mind came up with.

Alaskan markings on that one would be appropriate ... maybe a captured helo during the cold war ... so many ideas so little time!

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Posted by intruder_bass on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:22 AM

LOL!!!

160th SOAR Ka-50!!!

 

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Posted by LemonJello on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:37 AM

I'm just evil enough to go with Trigger's HV-22 idea...make a hell-hole for the rescue winch, maybe?  Refueling probe, some added blisters and bumps for added sensors.  I'd have to get another V-22 kit, but it's doable.  Or, I could go the HH-53K route, if I can swing picking up two of the new -53 kits when they hit the shelves.

Of course, I need to finish up the two tilt-rotors already on the assembly line. 

Heck with it, I'm in, I'll just have to play catch-up if the start date is anytime soon.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:52 AM

Hmmmmm...first off Grant it would be a damn shame to end such a great friendship by building that HV-22, especially with those markings.  But the sick side of me actually might want to see what that would look like.

As far as what I would build...you kinda stole my thunder.  I probably would build an HH-47G in 210th markings, but I've also considered doing the HH-71 as well.  I probably wouldn't put the skis on the -71 so more than likely it would be the HH-47G.  But it would have a "special" paint scheme.Wink [;)]

You realize of course Grant that this would force feed me back into the game regardless of what was on my plate.  Maybe that's just what I need.

The Hormone sounds interesting...would like to see that one Avus!

Sorry Bass but I'd try to stick to the CSAR-X /Pavehawk replacement concept.  Now if you wanted to make a CSAR Hind, Hip or Hokum derivative....your bench is a canvas, and the possibilities limitless.

And an HH-53K Super Pave Low X would be a must see.

What about that Bell tilt-rotor.  I hear that that one actually works pretty wellSmile [:)]

Hmmm...so whattaya think guys?  Do we need more interest (see if more folks post)?

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Posted by Avus on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:11 AM
 salbando wrote:

The Hormone sounds interesting...would like to see that one Avus!

Just ordered Zvezda's 1/72 Ka-27PS Helix (sadly couldn't find any Hormone) with aftremarket parts. So you'll probably get to see that one, wether this GB starts or not. Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:58 AM
I'm in.  Guess since I can do what I want with it I'll open up that Maquette piece-of-@&%! and build a 1/72 Ka-32 for USN CSAR. Never seen one with an M60 mounted in the cabin door before!
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Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:01 AM
Fortunately my hypocrisy only goes so far. The most you'll ever see from me on the subject of an HV-22 anytime soon is a profile rendering, and I've got enough modeling-related graphics projects right now to keep me plenty busy.

Don't worry Sal, there's plenty of HH-71 and HH-47 thunder to go around, especially if we do different markings and schemes. I don't know how I'll finish my HH-71 and HH-47, but neither will  have skis. Don't read anything into that, I'm just too lazy to fashion a set. I'm e-mailing you a PDF that you might find of interest.

The Bell Augusta BA609 could be an interesting idea. Though I know of no kits of it, one could follow Para429's example and kitbash something similar out of aircraft fuselage.
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Posted by LemonJello on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:35 PM

Would it be as blasphemous if  I used Coast Guard markings for my HV-22?  I know that's not really CSAR then, but I like the white/orange color scheme in theory.  I don't want to push my luck with Sal, just on the off chance that I need him to come pick me up somewhere, sometime. 

How about an upgraded HH-46?  Give it the Pave Phrog treatment?

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Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:04 PM
 LemonJello wrote:

How about an upgraded HH-46?  Give it the Pave Phrog treatment?


Good idea!

BTW - I like that new avatar! "Man, this floor's freezing."
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Posted by LemonJello on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:27 AM

That's what I'll go with then, I'll call it  the HH-46K Pave Phrog.  I'll just have to get another -46 kit, so I can make my USMC -46 as well.  One more thing to add to the list...

"what'd'ya want me to do, fetch your slippers?"

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:36 AM

Lemonjello,

Don't sweat it.  We're equal opportunity customer service oriented types.Big Smile [:D]

And I'm all for considering expanding the subject matter, so whattaya think guys?  Should we then change this to ANY CSAR/SAR replacement type group build?  That way we could see some white and orange birds.  Don't  get me wrong though, I had initially wanted to limit it to Pavehawk replacement and maybe include Pave Low replacement.  I think they're would be plenty of possible subjects given that target for the group build, and everything listed thus far could work. 

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Posted by Trigger on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:20 AM
Sal - it's your BBQ bro. Me? I'm gonna have myself a big 'ol plate of CSAR-X!

LJ - "Gee, would ya Sarge, that'd be real nice"
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Posted by LemonJello on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:15 AM

Yeah, let's keep it in the CSAR realm, just like you originally thought, Sal.  Then, down the road, we'll all do a Coast Guard SAR group build with all the pretty colors of the rainbow!

"All right, people, look sharp.  And somebody wake up Hicks."

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Posted by Trigger on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:33 AM
"It's a rescue mission, you'll love it."
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Posted by LemonJello on Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:40 AM

I had a little time to kill so I googles the H-92.  Is that design a beefed-up blackhawk or the Super Stallion's little brother?  That would make a cool looking model, that's for sure. 

Trigger- "There's some juicy colonists' daughters we have to rescue from their..." Well, you know the rest. 

Man, there'd be a CSAR bird, the drop ship from Aliens! Think I'll save that for the Sci-Fi forum, though.  Little too far fetched for an immediate Pavehawk replacement.  I'll stick with my Pave Phrog. 

"I say we get back to the ship and nuke the sight from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure."

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Posted by Trigger on Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:28 PM
I think it's a Black Hawk on steroids although it kinda looks like a cross between a Black Hawk and an HH-3 myself, but that's just my 2¢...

I suspect the H-92 has potential to be good Pave Hawk replacement, but the EH.101 and H-47 are just better for the job. But you're right, an HH-92 would be a cool looking model.

LOL, yeah, I was going to say the rest, but this is a family site! Oh yeah, I got your e-mail this morning and that's cool. I'd love to have a drop ship or two, but man, are they hard to find and when you do find one, they run $70+!

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 14, 2006 4:57 AM

Well, consensus around the Squadron is mainly HH-47G supporters with a few HH-71 (H-101) proponents thrown into the mix.  We're talking about current Pavehawk crewdogs, and even quite a few ex-HH-3E crewdogs as well.  Kinda funny when you consider the long lineage of Sikorsky birds and their involvement with CSAR/SAR.  But when you look at all the performance and other considerations, that's where it comes down.

So......CSAR-X/Pavehawk replacement it is.  So tell this Cheechako how to get this party started.  Do I have to post it somewhere else on the site?

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Posted by Avus on Friday, April 14, 2006 5:04 AM

As far as I know the procedure is:

  • Post in the GB section
  • Set start and end date
  • Create a badge

The dealer I ordered from doesn't have the items in stock, so please don't set the start date too early.

UPDATE
Should get the model next week. Maybe even tuesday (monday is holiday here); so disregard the above sentence about the time span. Thanks.

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Posted by LemonJello on Friday, April 14, 2006 5:33 AM

I won't be able to actually build until mid- to late-summer, but don't let that factor in too much.  I can play catch up if need be.  Plus, I can cash in some of my wife's indulgence that I'm back home and grab an extra kit or two from the LHS with less fuss than usual.

I'd better start making a list...various diameters of brass and styrene tube, something for sensor bumps and blisters, another -46 kit...this is going to be FUN!

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 15, 2006 8:19 AM

Avus,

Thanks for the instructions.  I'll get on that most ricky tick.

LJ,

Don't sweat it brother. As a matter of fact, I'm leaning on making the Vul period pretty long a lot of folks (me included) will want to do a 1/48 or 1/35 scale Hook.  So with that in mind, when do you guys think that both of these kits will be readily available and easier to aquire?  I'm leaning on making thw time period for this GB this Summer through next sometime next Spring.  Too long?  Whattaya think? 

In keeping with the Aliens theme:

"Maybe you haven't been keeping up on current events man , but we just got our asses kicked"

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Posted by LemonJello on Saturday, April 15, 2006 11:23 AM

I haven't seen a date on the 1/48 Hook's release yet.  I'm hoping it and the -53 hit the shelves this summer sometime. 

A summer start thru next spring works for me.  I don't think you can ever have too much time, and if we're delayed by late releases, we can always adjust fire as needed. 

Perhaps my favorite line:

"We're on the express elevator to hell...goin' down!"

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 15, 2006 1:54 PM

Hi guys,

I haven't been around - or building - lately but I'd be interested in jumping in on this, too. Being a Sikorsky guy and with no S-92 model out there right now I'd be up for trying that HH-53K. That is as long as the build would allow helos that aren't actually entered in the competition. I'm not sure I could bring myself to buiding an HH-71 :)

I'm kinda curious about that photo of the armed -60G. Monday I'll ask some of the guys around work if anyone knows what kind of gun pods they used. I'll let you know what I find. Also, as far as the S-92 goes, there were some ideas carried forward from the Blackhawks and Seahawks, but she's really become a new design. If anyone has questions about her let me know - I'll answer what I can.

Take care,

Dan

 

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Posted by Trigger on Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:05 PM
Ditto on the start date. I've got enough projects going on right now that I'm behind on as it is. I can be whipping up some GB badges in the meantime however - does anyone have any top-view drawings for a 4-bladed rotor system?

And the one line that brings a smile to my face, "Get away from her you B!TCH!"

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 17, 2006 11:31 AM
 Redlion615 wrote:

Hi guys,

I haven't been around - or building - lately but I'd be interested in jumping in on this, too. Being a Sikorsky guy and with no S-92 model out there right now I'd be up for trying that HH-53K. That is as long as the build would allow helos that aren't actually entered in the competition. I'm not sure I could bring myself to buiding an HH-71 :)

 

Yeah, that would be the deal.  What ever Helo you could imagine being a replacement for the Pavehawk.  Doesn't matter if it's in the CSAR-X competition or not.  Anything.  It would just have to have the appropriate systems for a CSAR bird.

Grant,

Is this what your talking about?

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Posted by Trigger on Monday, April 17, 2006 11:37 AM
Thumbs Up [tup] ...ya know what? That'll be plenty close enough for me to do some damage with! Evil [}:)] Wink [;)]

Thanks!
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Posted by LemonJello on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:33 AM

I'm having fun just perusing through Cobra's catalog seeing which of the sets could provide some interesting parts for my future Pave Phrog.  Besides weapons, sensors, countermeasures and a rescue winch, what else would a good CSAR helo need to have?

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Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 6:26 AM
- Internal volume

- Radios, CM controls & fire extingushers



- A jungle penetrator, MA-1 kit and Stokes liter



- Survival gear sled/box (the red box & at least one)


- FRIES Bar, rappel rings and static line cables



Special thanks to our own Salbando for the photos. His complete "Hitchhiker's Guide to the HH-60G" walkaround can be viewed here at ARC

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Posted by LemonJello on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:26 AM

Great reference photos, Trigger, but, uh, where do the survivors/patients go?

"Stop yer grinnin' and drop yer linen, I found 'em"

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