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O/T - Hats off to Alaskan SAR

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O/T - Hats off to Alaskan SAR
Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 1:18 PM
Make a Toast [#toast] Make a Toast [#toast] Make a Toast [#toast]

Read on CNN's website this morning a report off the AP wire of 23 crewmembers of a freighter being picked up by two Pave Hawks and a Coasite helicopter from Air Station Kodiak, supported by two AK ANG HC-130s and a USCG HC-130 in "very challenging weather"* from the Cougar Ace which was listing nearly on its side south of the Aleutian Islands. "We made the decision to cram in everybody."* "One crew member with a broken ankle was to be flown by plane to Anchorage immediately after landing in Adak"* There were no other injuries reported.



* - These are quotes from a certain USAF Master Sgt known to drop in here from time to time. Wink [;)] Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by grandadjohn on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:03 PM
Founds yours right after I did mine
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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 3:33 PM

Amen to that!

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Posted by HeavyArty on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 4:33 PM

A couple beers for Sal.  Make a Toast [#toast]Make a Toast [#toast]  (I guess they are wine glasses, couldn't find the beer glass smiley, oh well, you get the idea.)

 

Good on ya, Mate!

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 6:06 PM
I'll second that!  You guys rock!
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Posted by Screaminhelo on Friday, July 28, 2006 8:45 PM

Great job Sal!  The first report that I heard didn't include y'all, but I just couldn't see that one going on without you.

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Posted by m60a3 on Saturday, July 29, 2006 1:59 PM
SalBando, Make a Toast [#toast]. Good job to all of you!!

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Posted by dkmacin on Sunday, July 30, 2006 8:49 PM
Just to let you guys know:
 
"These guys do a job that anyplace else would get you medals, in Alaska it is no big deal."
 
Ted Stevens (R) Senator Alaska
 
08.01.06 Update.
The vessel is still afloat and under going repair.
Sadly, a member of the repair team has lost his life.
 
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Posted by mfsob on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 1:02 PM
I remember from reading one of my books on WWII in the Aleutians that Adak "used a 500-pound bomb for a windsock" ... I used to think they were kidding, but not anymore.
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Posted by navypitsnipe on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 5:22 PM
 dkmacin wrote:
"These guys do a job that anyplace else would get you medals, in Alaska it is no big deal."
 
Ted Stevens (R) Senator Alaska
i would have to say it is still a big deal, just more common of a big deal than anywhere else. 
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 5:42 AM

Sorry guys...been a little busy lately.  We're currently searching (for the past four days) for a missing Aero Commander.

For perspective a few snippets from the Cougar Ace Mission:

Both our HH-60's flew 14 hour sorties (we're talking one sortie each with a bunch of A/R's) that first day and the tail end of that was hoist ops for 15 of the survivors.  PJ's went down first to organize it and stabilize stokes with a tag line.  Ship was listing 80-85 degrees.  Survivors were laying on the wall.

USCG HH-60J only had around 25 mins on station (due to range from Kodiak) and hoisted 8 sans tag line...we're talking some pretty fast hoists.  Soon as he got done he smoked back to Adak with his USCG HC-130 for cover.

We flew back an injured survivor and his translator onboard an HC-130 from Adak to Anchorage.  The next day we flew out the remaining survivors on a slick C-130H. 

Both our HH-60's, an HC-130 and the slick RON'd Adak due to crew rest.  The Coasties flew their Helo crew back to Kodiak that night onboard their HC-130 (left their HH-60J at Adak).

The folks in Adak were GREAT!!!!!  Providing quarters and chow for the survivors and the aircrews.

Weather sucked bad.  One of our HC-130's was down to 300 ft AGL on the approach into Adak dodging fog/clouds.  Amazing how you can have fog like that in 30 knot winds.

Amazing how many Burmese and South Koreans you can cram inside a Pavehawk.

The person on the survey team who died was a naval architect and he fell 80 feet.

This started as a USCG Assist Mission.  Still can't figure why they don't have air-refuelable Helos.  I think their HC-130's are even plumbed for the benson tanks and drogue pods....DKMacin can you confirm???

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Posted by grandadjohn on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 9:19 AM
Once again, Sal, great job to all
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Posted by dkmacin on Thursday, August 3, 2006 5:58 AM
Navsnipe,
You are correct in that all succesful SAR is a big deal, but in Alaska,we tended to train in weather that other lower 48 stations would cancel in. In Alaska, the old CG motto of  "you have to go out, you do not have to come back," is more accepted. Unless the big news agencies take a story like the Cougar and run with it, no one hears about it. Case in point, Sal's Aeromaster mission.
In the big city of Juneau, where CG district 17 headquarters is (No air station there, just boatdales), cases like the Aeromaster, lost hunters, fishing vessels in distress,etc,  are very frequent, and handled as such. Perhaps not ho hum, but alot like "jeez, again?" Really akin to a cop,firefighter or othe rmember of the armed forces doing the job the are paid to do,and do every day. It still happens even if it is not reported by AP. (SAR Happens!)
So the guys and gals that garnered Air Medals for plucking folks off the roofs of houses after Katrina/Rita (and I mean no disrespect to those crews at all), are looked at with a sort of wonder by crews in Alaska that plucked the crewman with a broken bone, closed head injury, or other life threatening malady from a fishing vessel in 25 foot seas/50 knot winds off the coast of St. Paul island and get a hearty pat on the back from the CO.
Long way to point out Alaskan SAR is very different and so much more rewarding.
 
Sal,
Some 130's are so equipped, but the funds are not there for the training required to make it so. The USCG is tossed around the different government agencies so aften, and the funds are so few in those departments, the USCG is the last to see anything. Now in the department of Homeland Security, the emphasis is on the new go fast boats and the Helo with guns. . .
 
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Posted by navypitsnipe on Thursday, August 3, 2006 11:23 PM
 dkmacin wrote:
 Really akin to a cop,firefighter or othe rmember of the armed forces doing the job the are paid to do,and do every day. It still happens even if it is not reported by AP. (SAR Happens!)

Trust me i understand this very well. many SAR missions go unreported with the exception of one of the guys involved telling a few of his buddies about it. Also see the post "Cormorant Down"

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 4, 2006 3:07 AM

dkmacin is right on the money.  The term "quiet proffessionals" has been used often to describe the same sort of business.  Having been in the biz for quite some time now (and I'm sure most other folks in the same line of work...dkmacin, etc..) I think I can make the statement that folks who do SAR or CSAR for any considerable length of time don't really see it as a job but maybe more of a calling.  I know the guys at the unit are going to give me crap for saying a cheesy thing like that, but deep down they know it's true as well.

...and you're absolutely correct in saying that SAR missions up here in Alaska often go unreported and are typically glossed over.  Part of the reason is that the local media has no concept of the planning and execution that goes into them, and even often report incorrect information when they DO report the missions.  Hell, the REAL story of how difficult this particular mission was never really was conveyed or understood byt the locals reporting it, but that's another subject (media nowadays).

Bottom line is this was one of many "big" missions we did this year (and probably not the last) most of which got little to no attention: 

Like the one where we searched for over 5 days/100 hours and finally found an obliterated PA-28 (pilot deceased), or the one where our HH-60 was hovering at the 13,000ft level of a mountain (60 degree slope) after it had dumped almost all of it's fuel (to lighten gross weight) with the PJ on the hoist and they had 10 mins to snag the injured mountain climber before the HH-60 would have had to hit the tanker (HC-130) or it would have ran out of fuel.  Oh, the PJ still had to climb the rocks (with hoist attached) grab on to the climber whereupon he quickly snapped him in and both were yanked severely as the HH-60 pulled away and the slack in the hoist cable was drawn taught.  Oh, and they both took Mr. Toad's wild ride flying through space as the HH-60 sped towards the HC-130 while the hoist was being winched in.  Or like the current mission involving 4 CAP Squadrons, State Troopers, USCG, civilian volunteers, Army Guard and Air Guard t search for the mission Aero Commander (3 people onboard).  Or.........you get the idea.

Like dkmacin said...it's not to sound like "ho hum, just another mission", but it is kinda like "ho hum, just another mission.  Good job boys.  See ya tomorrow."

It's not that you don't care about not getting any attention, or that you don't appreciate it on the few occasions that you do get it, but truthfully....we don't care about getting the attention.  We care about saving lives...end of story...no digs, no thumping of chests, no gripes...just doing our job.

But it is fun and always something a little different Big Smile [:D] 

On the A/R capability for the USCG.....yeah, that has always amazed us up here dk.  Especially since we get some many deep water "USCG assist missions" due to our A/R capability.  It's also funny you mention Homeland Defense.  For the current mission for the Aero Commander, we requested the USCG Homeland Defense boats out of Anchorage but D17 said they were'nt trained for SAR only Homeland Defense.  That one about knocked me over! 

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Posted by dkmacin on Friday, August 4, 2006 5:28 AM
*whew* Thanks guys I thought maybe I popped off too much there.
Sometimes, at the risk of being called an old fart I tell others I remember when the First Mission of the USCG was to save lives and property at sea. . .actually, that was the entire mission statement!
Sal, I hear ya about the refueling. Somehow having an HC-130 "duck butt" you back to shore or ship just doesn't give you the warm fuzzy feeling they think it does. I really thought the USCG would get the message when an orbitting 130 listened to a RS left on station slowly lose conciousness due to hyperthermia while they could do nothing, but wait for the 60 to return. . . a two hour wait. Maybe because the RS made it, the in flight refueling was deemed unnecessary.
 
Anyway, Happy Birthday USCG! The oldest continuous sea service in the USA!  August 4 1790.
 
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Posted by grandadjohn on Friday, August 4, 2006 1:08 PM
The stuff they plan in DC makes no sense to those in the field doing the actual job(s)
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Posted by m60a3 on Monday, August 7, 2006 5:38 PM
 Thanks, Sal for the first person account. Awesome work. God Bless.


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